Antipope?

Antipas
Thayer Definition:
Antipas = “like the father”
1) a Christian of Pergamos who suffered martyrdom
Part of Speech: noun proper masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: contracted for a compound of G473 and a derivative of G3962

It could be Antipas who was the son of Herod Read more Here

Pickle said:

It wouldn't be talking about Herod, would it? I don't think Herod Antipas was a faithful martyr of Christ.

Personally, I was wondering if Antipas might have been Hippolytus, or someone like him.

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It doesn't make alot of sense to me why it would refer to Herod, but thats the only Antipas that I know of.

I do not think anyone knows who exactly the Antipas of Rev2:13 is.

Pickle said:

I have a couple questions about this text:Antipas is a Greek word that means essentially the same as "antipope," from what I can tell. How does Rome explain this text?

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Antipas means "like his father". It sounds like a typical Greek name to me. I don't think there is any symbolism in it.

Also, what and where is Satan's seat?

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The city of Pergamos was a center of Gnosticism. It seems likely that Pergamos was called the Seat of Satan because it was full of those who denied the Incarnation. Note that the Greek word used for "chair" is thronos.

Christ praises the Church in Pergamos for maintaining the Faith dispite being surrounded by Gnostics.

geocajun said:

It could be Antipas who was the son of Herod

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I don't think there is any evidence to suggest that Herod Antipas was ever in Pergamos. I think Antipas was not an uncommon name.

Pickle said:

Personally, I was wondering if Antipas might have been Hippolytus

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St Hippolytus live 150 years after the writing of Revelation.

Pickle said:

Yes, Hippolytus lived a long time after Revelation. I was just wondering if Christ was using Antipas as a name for Hippolytus in this prophecy.

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The second chapter of Revelation is not prophesy.

I was under the impression that anti meant "instead of" or "against" rather than "like." It can mean "like"?

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"instead of" is often used figuratively to mean "like". The name "Antipas" literally means "instead of his father". The figurative meaning is that the child will take his fathers place in time. He is like his father and will replace him.

As far as Satan's seat goes, since the devil is pictured as a 7 headed-dragon in Rev. 12 (vs. 9), and since that dragon gives his seat to the beast of Rev. 13 in 13:2, it seems that there must be some connection between the letter to Pergamos and these later chapters. What kind of connection might there be?

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The connection is that the word is thronos. It means "throne" in addition to "chair". It is a symbol of authority. Other than that, there is no connection. The use of this symbol is still with us today. We refer to the city that contains the chief courthouse of a county as "the county seat". Cathedrals are called cathedrals after the Latin word for chair, in reference to the bishops authority.

I don't see how the dragon's seat could be literal Pergamos, but maybe it could be the Rome of the Caesars. Would that be reasonable?

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Read what Christ says:

Revelation 2:12-13 (RSVA)
12 "And to the angel of the church in Per'gamum write: 'The words of him who has the sharp two-edged sword.
13 "'I know where you dwell, where Satan's throne is; you hold fast my name and you did not deny my faith even in the days of An'tipas my witness, my faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.

Christ is addressing the people of Pergamos. He states that they live where Satan's thone is. He commends them for holding to the faith despite being surrounded by heretics -- the Gnostics. There is no great hidden symbolism in this passage. Gnosticism, and its denial of the Incarnation, is of Satan.

Doesn't antipope mean not a valid pope?

When I think antipope I don't think he is evil like the antichrist, he is someone who sits on the chair of Peter who isn't actually a validly ordained pope and doesn't belong there.

I know there's one Catholic anti-pope who's a saint in the Catholic Church. It doesn't mean he's evil, just that they thought he was Pope, when in fact the previous Pope was still alive, so he wasn't actually Pope when he reigned as one, ie none of the doctrines about the Pope applied to him, and his historical title is antipope. I don't remember his name, but I know he's often listed as St. Antipope & then his name.