Trumpcoin taking Americans to the cleaners as his net wealth soars past $2 billion. Is this how we want Big Gav to behave when he becomes Pres?

eclipsenow · Friday at 3:05 AM

CIA Agent #1029 said:
I feel the need to correct you. The war on drugs is a war on drugs, except those approved by the CIA (my bros). It's not ineffective, it's effective exactly how it needs to be.

(Sigh.)
Have you read any welfare studies on this?
Anything non-American?
The “War on Drugs” has been going since Nixon announced it in 1971. How many “forever wars” do American’s want to be in?
When a policy has failed for over half a century, it’s time to try something new!
Why has it failed? How do we know?

ECONOMICS
When you limit supply, you drive up the price.
The high price creates an IRRESISTABLE incentive for drug cartels to grow.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/hidden-costs-drug-prohibition
Cartels now rival huge corporations and some militaries. They have their own engineers, their own accounts departments, build their own tunnels and bombs and fund militaries and even build stuff like even submarines.

COST TO AMERICA
The USA has 5% of the world’s population, but 25% of the world’s inmates.
That's 5 times the jails!
How much does that cost in extra policing, legal cases, court time - let alone the penal system?
Are Americans really 5 times more criminal than the rest of the world?
No - they are suffering from a failed drug criminalisation policy.
Comparison of United States incarceration rate with other countries - Wikipedia

EDUCATION IN CRIMINALITY
An estimated 65% percent of the United States prison population has an active drug habit.
https://nida.nih.gov/publications/drugfacts/criminal-justice
2007 shows drug related crime cost $113 billion.
https://nida.nih.gov/drug-topics/trends-statistics
That's serious money - about a tenth of your military budget?

IF WE CANNOT BAN IT - THEN WHAT?
Do as Europe do.
It’s not hard.
Read a perspective from outside America’s myopic culture.
Europe has a welfare philosophy called “Harm minimisation”.
Convert the ‘War on Drugs’ into a mental health model.
Decriminalise drug use.
If cops catch a user - they take the user to mental health services.
https://www.cjcj.org/media/import/documents/a_century.pdf

Eradicate illegal supply by undermining the market!
Provide safe injecting rooms!
Clinics supply regulated, cleaner, safer drugs that reduce overdoses.
Why rob a corner store or sell yourself for prostitution when you can get drugs for FREE?
Ah - but here comes the sneaky bit!
Also on hand?
FREE medical check-ups.
FREE counselling.
FREE contact with social workers!
Yes, FREE!
Paid for by us, the tax payers.
Why?

Because it works. Drug users do not need to go to jail, where they will get a REAL education in how to be a crook.

Instead, if they get some help, then guess what? A lot of the time they get better, and become productive members of society.

The Penrose Effect shows that there is an inverse relationship between the availability of mental health treatment infrastructure and incarceration rates. Countries investing more in mental health services often experience lower incarceration rates, suggesting that addressing mental health can reduce the burden on the criminal justice system.
The Penrose Effect and its acceleration by the war on drugs: a crisis of untranslated neuroscience and untreated addiction and mental illness - Translational Psychiatry

The statistics do not lie.

America has many terrible social policies - and this is one of the worst.

So, continue the war on drugs and help the cartels grow?
Or start a war on Nixon's ignorant policy, and help your fellow human beings become productive members of society?

CIA Agent #1029 · Sunday at 2:59 AM

eclipsenow said:
(Sigh.)
Have you read any welfare studies on this?
Anything non-American?
The “War on Drugs” has been going since Nixon announced it in 1971. How many “forever wars” do American’s want to be in?
When a policy has failed for over half a century, it’s time to try something new!
Why has it failed? How do we know?

ECONOMICS
When you limit supply, you drive up the price.
The high price creates an IRRESISTABLE incentive for drug cartels to grow.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/hidden-costs-drug-prohibition
Cartels now rival huge corporations and some militaries. They have their own engineers, their own accounts departments, build their own tunnels and bombs and fund militaries and even build stuff like even submarines.

COST TO AMERICA
The USA has 5% of the world’s population, but 25% of the world’s inmates.
That's 5 times the jails!
How much does that cost in extra policing, legal cases, court time - let alone the penal system?
Are Americans really 5 times more criminal than the rest of the world?
No - they are suffering from a failed drug criminalisation policy.
Comparison of United States incarceration rate with other countries - Wikipedia

EDUCATION IN CRIMINALITY
An estimated 65% percent of the United States prison population has an active drug habit.
https://nida.nih.gov/publications/drugfacts/criminal-justice
2007 shows drug related crime cost $113 billion.
https://nida.nih.gov/drug-topics/trends-statistics
That's serious money - about a tenth of your military budget?

IF WE CANNOT BAN IT - THEN WHAT?
Do as Europe do.
It’s not hard.
Read a perspective from outside America’s myopic culture.
Europe has a welfare philosophy called “Harm minimisation”.
Convert the ‘War on Drugs’ into a mental health model.
Decriminalise drug use.
If cops catch a user - they take the user to mental health services.
https://www.cjcj.org/media/import/documents/a_century.pdf

Eradicate illegal supply by undermining the market!
Provide safe injecting rooms!
Clinics supply regulated, cleaner, safer drugs that reduce overdoses.
Why rob a corner store or sell yourself for prostitution when you can get drugs for FREE?
Ah - but here comes the sneaky bit!
Also on hand?
FREE medical check-ups.
FREE counselling.
FREE contact with social workers!
Yes, FREE!
Paid for by us, the tax payers.
Why?

Because it works. Drug users do not need to go to jail, where they will get a REAL education in how to be a crook.

Instead, if they get some help, then guess what? A lot of the time they get better, and become productive members of society.

The Penrose Effect shows that there is an inverse relationship between the availability of mental health treatment infrastructure and incarceration rates. Countries investing more in mental health services often experience lower incarceration rates, suggesting that addressing mental health can reduce the burden on the criminal justice system.
The Penrose Effect and its acceleration by the war on drugs: a crisis of untranslated neuroscience and untreated addiction and mental illness - Translational Psychiatry

The statistics do not lie.

America has many terrible social policies - and this is one of the worst.

So, continue the war on drugs and help the cartels grow?
Or start a war on Nixon's ignorant policy, and help your fellow human beings become productive members of society?

Are you recommending I and other people to watch that video?

I don't approve of any of your sources. They're all an attempt to get regular people lost, so I suggest you forget them.

Latin America is the USA's backyard and has been for 100 years. The USA polices it violently, this is a scandalous truth that's should be extremely clear. Cartels would never grow there and become so powerful, unless they were sponsored by the USA itself.

That's aside from cartels from other parts of the world like Hezbollah and the Assad family. They all grew like cancers. It's impossible, unless, you know, the international police, the USA...

Where's the ICC, interpol, etc, and what happened to the war on drugs? It's the war to spread drugs. That's the truth.

Pommer · Sunday at 3:23 AM

CIA Agent #1029 said:
Are you recommending I and other people to watch that video?

I don't approve of any of your sources. They're all an attempt to get regular people lost, so I suggest you forget them.

Yes, but it’s much easier to reason with someone who possesses an open mind.

CIA Agent #1029 said:
Latin America is the USA's backyard and has been for 100 years. The USA polices it violently, this is a scandalous truth that's should be extremely clear. Cartels would never grow there and become so powerful, unless they were sponsored by the USA itself.

Maybe the U.S. should mind its own business a bit more?

CIA Agent #1029 said:
That's aside from cartels from other parts of the world like Hezbollah and the Assad family. They all grew like cancers. It's impossible, unless, you know, the international police, the USA...

Other countries existing isn’t a “problem” to be solved.

CIA Agent #1029 said:
Where's the ICC, interpol, etc, and what happened to the war on drugs? It's the war to spread drugs. That's the truth.

I’m convinced that the (relatively) sudden acceptance of widespread cannabis use is one of the only things that has staved off more civil unrest than we have thus seen.

CIA Agent #1029 · Sunday at 3:36 AM

Idk how to respond to that. Or is that just a comment you don't want me to respond to?

Larniavc · Sunday at 5:59 AM

eclipsenow said:
(Sigh.)
Have you read any welfare studies on this?
Anything non-American?
The “War on Drugs” has been going since Nixon announced it in 1971. How many “forever wars” do American’s want to be in?
When a policy has failed for over half a century, it’s time to try something new!
Why has it failed? How do we know?

ECONOMICS
When you limit supply, you drive up the price.
The high price creates an IRRESISTABLE incentive for drug cartels to grow.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/hidden-costs-drug-prohibition
Cartels now rival huge corporations and some militaries. They have their own engineers, their own accounts departments, build their own tunnels and bombs and fund militaries and even build stuff like even submarines.

COST TO AMERICA
The USA has 5% of the world’s population, but 25% of the world’s inmates.
That's 5 times the jails!
How much does that cost in extra policing, legal cases, court time - let alone the penal system?
Are Americans really 5 times more criminal than the rest of the world?
No - they are suffering from a failed drug criminalisation policy.
Comparison of United States incarceration rate with other countries - Wikipedia

EDUCATION IN CRIMINALITY
An estimated 65% percent of the United States prison population has an active drug habit.
https://nida.nih.gov/publications/drugfacts/criminal-justice
2007 shows drug related crime cost $113 billion.
https://nida.nih.gov/drug-topics/trends-statistics
That's serious money - about a tenth of your military budget?

IF WE CANNOT BAN IT - THEN WHAT?
Do as Europe do.
It’s not hard.
Read a perspective from outside America’s myopic culture.
Europe has a welfare philosophy called “Harm minimisation”.
Convert the ‘War on Drugs’ into a mental health model.
Decriminalise drug use.
If cops catch a user - they take the user to mental health services.
https://www.cjcj.org/media/import/documents/a_century.pdf

Eradicate illegal supply by undermining the market!
Provide safe injecting rooms!
Clinics supply regulated, cleaner, safer drugs that reduce overdoses.
Why rob a corner store or sell yourself for prostitution when you can get drugs for FREE?
Ah - but here comes the sneaky bit!
Also on hand?
FREE medical check-ups.
FREE counselling.
FREE contact with social workers!
Yes, FREE!
Paid for by us, the tax payers.
Why?

Because it works. Drug users do not need to go to jail, where they will get a REAL education in how to be a crook.

Instead, if they get some help, then guess what? A lot of the time they get better, and become productive members of society.

The Penrose Effect shows that there is an inverse relationship between the availability of mental health treatment infrastructure and incarceration rates. Countries investing more in mental health services often experience lower incarceration rates, suggesting that addressing mental health can reduce the burden on the criminal justice system.
The Penrose Effect and its acceleration by the war on drugs: a crisis of untranslated neuroscience and untreated addiction and mental illness - Translational Psychiatry

The statistics do not lie.

America has many terrible social policies - and this is one of the worst.

So, continue the war on drugs and help the cartels grow?
Or start a war on Nixon's ignorant policy, and help your fellow human beings become productive members of society?

I agree completely but you’ll never get Americans to make their own lives better if it means they have to stop punishing people they don’t like.

Laodicean60 · Sunday at 9:03 AM

eclipsenow said:
My favourite ABC journalist outlines how Trump is taking Americans to the cleaners.

Really, I guess this thread is for those who live outside reality. Look, "investors" invest in hopes of making a dime. Some retail investors (from around the world) invest in brands like Trump, Hilton, Tesla (I'm shorting), Intel......... and their loss is just that: a loss. Some retail investors are gamblers, and I've lost money because of this until I educated myself, but to blame Trump for others' actions is delusional because not many people throw ten-dollar bills out the window, because in the real world we have to pay bills.

I had forgotten all about his coin, and looking at the charts, DJT looks like it has hit a bottom, with momentum turning upward. I might throw ten bucks with a probable chance of getting twenty.

Belk · Sunday at 9:19 AM

Laodicean60 said:
Really, I guess this thread is for those who live outside reality. Look, "investors" invest in hopes of making a dime. Some retail investors (from around the world) invest in brands like Trump, Hilton, Tesla (I'm shorting), Intel......... and their loss is just that: a loss. Some retail investors are gamblers, and I've lost money because of this until I educated myself, but to blame Trump for others' actions is delusional because not many people throw ten-dollar bills out the window, because in the real world we have to pay bills.

I had forgotten all about his coin, and looking at the charts, DJT looks like it has hit a bottom, with momentum turning upward. I might throw ten bucks with a probable chance of getting twenty.

You do not seem to understand the issue others are presenting. That people are, of their own free will, buying these is not the issue.

Laodicean60 · Sunday at 9:23 AM

Belk said:
You do not seem to understand the issue others are presenting. That people are, of their own free will, buying these is not the issue.

The issue? Taking Americans to the cleaners?

Larniavc · Sunday at 9:29 AM

Laodicean60 said:
and I've lost money because of this until I educated myself, but to blame Trump for others' actions is delusional because not many people throw ten-dollar bills out the window,

And this attitude is why America is such a predatory place. The rich prey on the poor by keeping them uneducated, poor and unhealthy.

Laodicean60 · Sunday at 9:54 AM

Larniavc said:
And this attitude is why America is such a predatory place. The rich prey on the poor by keeping them uneducated, poor and unhealthy.

Do you invest? It sounds like you are speaking from a position of ignorance.

Belk · Sunday at 12:03 PM

Laodicean60 said:
The issue? Taking Americans to the cleaners?

Sort of. Putting out a well known way to fleece money from suckers by a sitting president is the issue.

Hans Blaster · Sunday at 7:49 PM

Laodicean60 said:
Do you invest? It sounds like you are speaking from a position of ignorance.

cryptocurrencies aren't investments

Larniavc · Monday at 2:48 AM

Laodicean60 said:
Do you invest? It sounds like you are speaking from a position of ignorance.

I have a wide portfolio as befits a man of my calibre.

I think Trump preys on people’s ignorance. When did preying on people’s ignorance become a good thing.

Servus · Monday at 2:55 AM

Hans Blaster said:
cryptocurrencies aren't investments

Cryptocurrencies are a high risk investment. Many have made significant amounts of money investing in cryptocurrencies. And likewise many have suffered major financial losses from it. Investing is usually a gamble. High risk investing is even more so.

Laodicean60 · Monday at 8:53 AM

Belk said:
Sort of. Putting out a well known way to fleece money from suckers by a sitting president is the issue.

So you, like Hans, don't believe crypto is a real medium of exchange? Fleecing money from us suckers is what market makers try to do, but to blame Trump for his coin or an IPO is not common sense to those who dabble in investing. I am kinda surprised you're speaking out for all us right-wing and independent suckers, or is this just another excuse to bash Trump?

I think everyone deserves to lose their shirt if they were an ideological investor. I was that way with Google, then Facebook, and it was a costly mistake (good learning experience) because my decision was based on feelings rather than technicals.

Hans Blaster said:
cryptocurrencies aren't investments

Ok, Hans, I've known you for three years, and through our journey I've heard you make this comment to me about crypto; this may be the third time, but I want to say I GOT YOU.

Belk should have a little understanding of blockchain; being in the IT arena, ask him.

Belk · Monday at 9:20 AM

Laodicean60 said:
So you, like Hans, don't believe crypto is a real medium of exchange? Fleecing money from us suckers is what market makers try to do, but to blame Trump for his coin or an IPO is not common sense to those who dabble in investing. I am kinda surprised you're speaking out for all us right-wing and independent suckers, or is this just another excuse to bash Trump?

I think everyone deserves to lose their shirt if they were an ideological investor. I was that way with Google, then Facebook, and it was a costly mistake (good learning experience) because my decision was based on feelings rather than technicals.

Ok, Hans, I've known you for three years, and through our journey I've heard you make this comment to me about crypto; this may be the third time, but I want to say I GOT YOU.

Belk should have a little understanding of blockchain; being in the IT arena, ask him.

Perhaps you would care to address the operational part of my statement? That would be "by a sitting president". I have no desire to discuss the validity of crypto nor your views on investing in general.

Laodicean60 · Monday at 9:44 AM

Belk said:
Perhaps you would care to address the operational part of my statement? That would be "by a sitting president".

Hmm, has he broken any laws? It's not about how one feels. Politicians have been making money in office for years; why upset now?

Belk said:
I have no desire to discuss the validity of crypto nor your views on investing in general.

So? Only bash Trump?

Laodicean60 · Monday at 9:56 AM

I forgot to add that the DNC needs funds. Could your ideology be preventing you from an avenue of funding? I looked using ChatGPT, and there are left-leaning causes, I assume, by liberal techies, but with any organization we should do our due diligence. This can include the socialist here.

Token	Project	Related ideas
GTC	Gitcoin	Community funding, public goods, participatory grantmaking
GIV	Giveth	Mutual aid, nonprofit funding, community giving
OP	Optimism	Retroactive public goods funding, shared ecosystem benefits
CELO	Celo	Financial inclusion, accessible payments, regenerative finance
KLIMA	KlimaDAO	Climate-focused collective action
UBI	Proof of Humanity	Universal basic income experiments

Belk · Monday at 9:57 AM

Laodicean60 said:
Hmm, has he broken any laws? It's not about how one feels. Politicians have been making money in office for years; why upset now?

Quite possibly, but since the justice department does not persue cases against a sitting president we can't really know, can we? A follow up question, is your morality limited to legality or can something be legal but still be wrong?

Laodicean60 said:
So? Only bash Trump?

Is only conservative criticism valid? I ask because this looks a whole lot like a way to minimize criticism without an actual rebuttal. Just label it as "bashing" and dismiss it.

Laodicean60 · Monday at 10:46 AM

Belk said:
Quite possibly, but since the justice department does not persue cases against a sitting president we can't really know, can we?

But we can all have comfort knowing the law has a way of following people around.

Belk said:
A follow up question, is your morality limited to legality or can something be legal but still be wrong?

I won't talk to you about my morality before or after Christianity, but my experience with the law is what changed me. At 18, I noticed all my friends going to jail. I joined the service at 21 to break the habit of stealing and drug use, and 8 years later they were all in prison.

Can something be legal but still be (wrong<---- Belk this is a big word)? Reason laws change, but to base laws on feeling is wrong.

Belk said:
Is only conservative criticism valid? I ask because this looks a whole lot like a way to minimize criticism without an actual rebuttal. Just label it as "bashing" and dismiss it.

Well, the guy you're conversing with does not want to talk about Trump when I was talking about investors and crypto.

Trumpcoin taking Americans to the cleaners as his net wealth soars past $2 billion. Is this how we want Big Gav to behave when he becomes Pres?

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