Police say man asked multiple people, ‘Are you Muslim?’ before launching brutal mall stabbing in Utah

Bradskii · Saturday at 5:50 PM

Landon Caeli said:
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Well, to be honest, rolling one's eyes doesn't make a lot of noise.

But if one wants to make this a more open and welcoming society, if one takes the position that racism and religious bigotry has no place in a modern, democratic multi ethnic and multi cultural world, then what we should do is to encourage people not to disparage someone simply because of their race (ugly term), colour or religious beliefs.

So if if someone says that they have a 'strong, STRONG distaste for Islam' and then tars all Muslims with the same bigoted brush, we should call them out on that.

Landon Caeli · Saturday at 6:46 PM

Bradskii said:
Well, to be honest, rolling one's eyes doesn't make a lot of noise.

But if one wants to make this a more open and welcoming society, if one takes the position that racism and religious bigotry has no place in a modern, democratic multi ethnic and multi cultural world, then what we should do is to encourage people not to disparage someone simply because of their race (ugly term), colour or religious beliefs.

So if if someone says that they have a 'strong, STRONG distaste for Islam' and then tars all Muslims with the same bigoted brush, we should call them out on that.

Do you think Palestinians should have, and still should welcome Jews into their lands too, and offer the newcomers some territory and conciliation? Or are Muslims excempt from these multicultural, multi-ethnic obligations?

Should all Muslim countries become more multi-cultural? Or just us?

Bradskii · Saturday at 7:12 PM

Landon Caeli said:
Do you think Palestinians should have, and still should welcome Jews into their lands too, and offer the newcomers some territory and conciliation?

Yes. And Jews should stop trying to drive the Palestinians out.

Landon Caeli said:
Should all Muslim countries become more multi-cultural? Or just us?

They are required to be righteous and just to those of different religions. Just as you are required to be by your pope: Pope: Christians and Muslims must work together to ‘revive humanity' - Vatican News

'In his address, the Pope suggested that compassion and empathy are “essential attitudes” of both Christianity and Islam.

It's a shame you don't exhibit either.

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'Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes – from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.'

Landon Caeli · Saturday at 9:26 PM

Bradskii said:
'In his address, the Pope suggested that compassion and empathy are “essential attitudes” of both Christianity and Islam.

It's a shame you don't exhibit either.

This is the place where I express my innermost thoughts and questions that I cannot ask in the real world, because it might be offensive to actual people.

...In the real world, I always treat Muslims with the highest level of respect and dignity. So it really makes no sense for you to judge me based on my inner thoughts, when my deeds are what matters.

Aldebaran · Saturday at 9:29 PM

Bradskii said:
'Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes – from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.'

Ironic how "Allah" is said to be so great just as his followers commit an act of terrorism. "Allah Akbar!"
Not so strange that the name of Allah, and Muslims who pledge allegiance to him are so often associated with terrorism.

essentialsaltes · Saturday at 9:58 PM

Landon Caeli said:
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Go make a(nother) thread about 'replacement theory'. This thread already has a topic.

Landon Caeli · Saturday at 10:47 PM

essentialsaltes said:
Go make a(nother) thread about 'replacement theory'. This thread already has a topic.

The "exact" topic is dead already. We can probably discuss related issues by now, like mass Muslim immigration, and the effects it has on how people perceive Muslim migrants in receiving countries, and how that may or may not relate to this attempted murder - there's nothing wrong with broadening the discussion.

...Besides, I was nice and conceded an argument with you earlier. And that kindness is now rewarded with a directive to stop talking about something. I've seen that kind of attitude before, in those people who take kindness for weakness. Is that the kind of culture we want now? You might adapt easily to it, but I reject it entirely.

Pommer · Sunday at 1:44 AM

essentialsaltes said:
Go make a(nother) thread about 'replacement theory'. This thread already has a topic.

Landon Caeli said:
The "exact" topic is dead already. We can probably discuss related issues by now, like mass Muslim immigration, and the effects it has on how people perceive Muslim migrants in receiving countries, and how that may or may not relate to this attempted murder - there's nothing wrong with broadening the discussion.

...Besides, I was nice and conceded an argument with you earlier. And that kindness is now rewarded with a directive to stop talking about something. I've seen that kind of attitude before, in those people who take kindness for weakness. Is that the kind of culture we want now? You might adapt easily to it, but I reject it entirely.

How’s about them Yankees!?

Landon Caeli · Sunday at 8:05 AM

Pommer said:
How’s about them Yankees!?

The thing is, we were only assuming at first that the attackers motives were based on Islam or 'how Islam is or isn't like Christianity'. What if the attacker actually stabbed this victim because he was a foreign immigrant? So there's nothing off topic here, when the whole thread was based on an assumption to begin with.

Another "option" for discussion would be to question whether the attacker was a military veteran, battling PTSD, who maybe was having an episode based on his past. In that case, we could discuss the effects of war on the human mind.

...Everything doesn't have to be based on 'wokeness' to be on topic in every thread. This isn't Woke Forums.

essentialsaltes · Sunday at 10:22 AM

Landon Caeli said:
The "exact" topic is dead already.

The victim survived the attack.

Landon Caeli said:
We can probably discuss related issues by now, like mass Muslim immigration, and the effects it has on how people perceive Muslim migrants in receiving countries, and how that may or may not relate to this attempted murder - there's nothing wrong with broadening the discussion.

As the OP, I am saying that there is something wrong with turning a thread about a Muslim victim of violence into a discussion of the perceived threat posed by Muslims.

Bradskii · Sunday at 5:39 PM

Landon Caeli said:
This is the place where I express my innermost thoughts and questions that I cannot ask in the real world, because it might be offensive to actual people.

...In the real world, I always treat Muslims with the highest level of respect and dignity. So it really makes no sense for you to judge me based on my inner thoughts, when my deeds are what matters.

I'm sure not I'm not the only one dumbfounded by that admission.

Bradskii · Sunday at 5:43 PM

Aldebaran said:
Ironic how "Allah" is said to be so great just as his followers commit an act of terrorism. "Allah Akbar!"
Not so strange that the name of Allah, and Muslims who pledge allegiance to him are so often associated with terrorism.

essentialsaltes said:
As the OP, I am saying that there is something wrong with turning a thread about a Muslim victim of violence into a discussion of the perceived threat posed by Muslims.

Landon Caeli · Sunday at 6:52 PM

Bradskii said:
I'm sure not I'm not the only one dumbfounded by that admission.

Don't worry, Brad... We can talk more 'in depth' here, because we're anonymous, and judgements don't matter here, because this isn't a 'real' place. Tell me why anyone would be dumbfounded by that.

Landon Caeli · Sunday at 6:53 PM

essentialsaltes said:
The victim survived the attack.

As the OP, I am saying that there is something wrong with turning a thread about a Muslim victim of violence into a discussion of the perceived threat posed by Muslims.

Fine then. I'll abide by your wishes.

Bradskii · Sunday at 7:14 PM

Landon Caeli said:
Don't worry, Brad... We can talk more 'in depth' here, because we're anonymous, and judgements don't matter here, because this isn't a 'real' place. Tell me why anyone would be dumbfounded by that.

Because you have just admitted that the life that you lead, the person that you present to the world, how you interact with others...is not the real you. It seems that you can only be truly honest when you're anonymous. That you will avoid being judged.

For a Christian to say that they believe that they won't be judged for what they truly think is beyond my comprehension.

Aldebaran · Sunday at 7:51 PM

Bradskii said:
Because you have just admitted that the life that you lead, the person that you present to the world, how you interact with others...is not the real you. It seems that you can only be truly honest when you're anonymous. That you will avoid being judged.

For a Christian to say that they believe that they won't be judged for what they truly think is beyond my comprehension.

God's judgement is different from the judgement of random people on the internet. He's correct to not worry about how you judge him.

Bradskii · Sunday at 8:37 PM

Aldebaran said:
God's judgement is different from the judgement of random people on the internet. He's correct to not worry about how you judge him.

It wasn't me I was inferring.

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