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How "Communist" China can be perceived as the far-right's ultimate objectives!

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I found this Facebook post to be convincing.

One of the more curious aspects of how the Chinese Communist Party is perceived outside of China is that, all else being equal, this regime would be admired by the far right and abhorred by the far left. Yet, the opposite positions are reflexively entrenched as a result of our domestic dogmatic culture wars.

China no longer pretends to be a communist utopia. Its workers are amongst the most exploited on earth while boasting the second-largest concentration of billionaires in the world. It's GINI coefficient, which measures economic inequality, is higher than South Korea, Japan, Australia, and all of Europe.

It is a police state with an extensive surveillance network that prioritises national security and law and order above civil liberties, while executing more prisoners than any nation on earth.

It is socially conservative, there is no same sex marriage, nor any legal protection from discrimination, and homosexuality was only removed from the official government list of mental illnesses in 2001.

It promotes "traditional" gender roles for women, there are no women in the 24 member Politburo that rule the country, only 13 serve in the 203 member Central Committe, and only 3 of China's 31 Provincial Governers are women.

It has one of the world's most restrictive immigration systems. Patriotism is taught in schools and mandated throughout movies, TV, and even music. There is no version of history taught in school in which the crimes of China's government or military are exposed.

In fact the CCP's new Law on Promoting Ethnic Unity and Progress should be celebrated by the "monoculture" proponents by the way it mandates a shared Chinese national identity and seeks to erase minority customs and tradition... though it is worth adding that the 55 ethnic minorities of China aren't immigrants... they were colonised... and there is no talk of decolonisation in Beijing, only promises to reclaim lost imperial colonies through a revived era of military expansion.

In many ways, the CCP regime is the exact brand of nationalist authoritarianism that those on the far fight want to emulate. But with ideological battle lines drawn up decades ago, we are left with the irrational state of affairs where progressives routinely defend a fascist dictatorship purely because conservatives hate them.
 

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I think you'd find a similar affinity between Islamic states and the American right as well.

We're all being gaslit about what they really want to achieve in this country.
 
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One of the more curious aspects of how the Chinese Communist Party is perceived outside of China is that, all else being equal, this regime would be admired by the far right and abhorred by the far left. Yet, the opposite positions are reflexively entrenched as a result of our domestic dogmatic culture wars.
Apart from actual Chinese communists and anyone taken in by them, I don't think the far left in the US is enamored of China. The DSA and other lefties are looking more to Scandinavia as a model.
 
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Yes, many countries seem to be right-wing; even Europe is adopting some right-wing policies and moving away from lunacy. Being fairly new here in these forums, I haven't heard liberals criticize China for all their belligerence, which leads me to believe you are for them.

"In many ways, the CCP regime is the exact brand of nationalist authoritarianism that those on the far fight want to emulate. But with ideological battle lines drawn up decades ago, we are left with the irrational state of affairs where progressives routinely defend a fascist dictatorship purely because conservatives hate them."
 

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Yes, many countries seem to be right-wing; even Europe is adopting some right-wing policies and moving away from lunacy. Being fairly new here in these forums, I haven't heard liberals criticize China for all their belligerence, which leads me to believe you are for them.
Do you hear us routinely defending China?
"In many ways, the CCP regime is the exact brand of nationalist authoritarianism that those on the far fight want to emulate. But with ideological battle lines drawn up decades ago, we are left with the irrational state of affairs where progressives routinely defend a fascist dictatorship purely because conservatives hate them."
 
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Do you hear us routinely defending China?
I don't hear anything about China, which makes me suspicious. I'd have to search, but I don't remember criticisms of China helping Russia from the left at the beginning of the Ukraine war.
 

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Another enforced atheist totalitarian failure.

This opinion is not directed in any way towards secular political systems, secular rights, atheists, or atheism ( & whatever etc. applies). It is just about an aspect of enforced atheism that I am criticizing.
 

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Another enforced atheist totalitarian failure.

This opinion is not directed in any way towards secular political systems, secular rights, atheists, or atheism ( & whatever etc. applies). It is just about an aspect of enforced atheism that I am criticizing.
You can no more enforce atheism then you can enforce lack of belief in fairies.
 
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I don't hear anything about China, which makes me suspicious. I'd have to search, but I don't remember criticisms of China helping Russia from the left at the beginning of the Ukraine war.
Yeah, folks on the left don't generally spend a lot of time griping about things outside of our sphere of influence. We gripe about Israel, for example, because we do a lot to help Israel. What's griping about China going to do? We're not backstopping them.
 
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Yeah, folks on the left don't generally spend a lot of time griping about things outside of our sphere of influence. We gripe about Israel, for example, because we do a lot to help Israel. What's griping about China going to do? We're not backstopping them.
Sphere of influence? There was a lot of talk about Russia.
China itself, not much, but we can point out when the US administration starts to waver in its support for Taiwan in any potential conflict with China.
Sadly for Taiwan, when we are no longer dependent on Taiwan, we'll back off. Right now, Trump is in no position to agitate Xi over Taiwan; maybe that's why he's brown-nosing Xi. Trump gushed over Turkey's leader, which surprised me.
 
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Sphere of influence? There was a lot of talk about Russia.

yeah, about their meddling in our election. There probably wouldn’t have been a lot of noise about Ukraine if Trump hadn’t been siding with Putin and repeating Russian propaganda.
 
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If they are a "god" it is not atheism. You do see the inherent contradiction there?
The atheist who leads a totalitarian cult of personality somehow has nothing to do with atheism. That makes everything much more pleasant?
 
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Cultural appropriation and rewriting of a religious text to reformulate a religion into something new. ~~ That's never happened before.~~ :rolleyes:

If these "Chinese Chrsitians" believe in some sort of all power begin, it sure isn't atheism. (Not that "atheism" is actually a thing.)

Just more routine totalitarianism and those “Chinese Christians” need to get over it I guess.

“Atheism” does seem to be a “thing” though since atheists say so. They claim that cults of personality cannot be atheist.
They claim their mindset is purely reasonable and can only be free thinking.



Maybe having an alleged monopoly on “reason” could sew the seeds of totalitarianism.
 

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Just more routine totalitarianism and those “Chinese Christians” need to get over it I guess.
Good work not comprehending what I wrote. I said no such thing about "getting over it". SMH. It just struck me that the changes they (the CCP, I guess) are making to Christian doctrine and scripture aren't really any different categorically than the early Chrsitians rewriting Judaism to make something that didn't exist before.

You should feel fully within your rights to call what the CCP is producing "not Christianity" (because they keep changing bits typically considered important) just as you likely think the same thing about Mormonism.


Now to your odd comments about "atheism" (the non-thing)...
“Atheism” does seem to be a “thing” though since atheists say so.
Some weak-minded fools who acquiesce to the false notion or do so to "get along" do. That doesn't mean it really is a thing.

In this context the version of words ending in *ism are philosophies, dogmas, religions, etc. They have beliefs and/or praxes. The so-called "atheism" does not.

theist/atheist is just category: Does this person believe in a god (theist) or not (atheist). There is no dogma or practice to being a theist or an atheist. Atheists have all sorts of philosophical and moral beliefs and positions, but that doesn't make it collectively a "dogma" or an "ism". Likewise theists have all sorts of religious, moral, and philosophical beliefs, but that doesn't make "theism" some sort of collective dogma, practice, or "ism".
They claim that cults of personality cannot be atheist.

There is nothing that says an atheist can't be in a "cult of personality", nor that a theist can't. I guarentee you that there are atheists who wear their red MAGA hats to bed and spend their days writing social media posts disparaging liberals/progressives/Dems/wokesters/etc. That doesn't mean they believe in a god. (The only way to get kicked out of the atheist group is to believe in a god. The only way to get kicked out of the theist group is to stop believing. I used to be a theist, then I stopped believing, so now I am an atheist. It was so subtle I didn't even notice until it was a few years past.)
They claim their mindset is purely reasonable and can only be free thinking.
It is not a claim *I* made. A theist can make that claim, an atheist could, it doesn't make it true. (And probably represents some sort of blindness to their own flaws in thinking.)
Now that's a sight I haven't seen in many a year. One atheist blogger made some claim about atheists and personality cults 7 years ago. (I didn't bother reading it. It seemed rather pointless.)
Maybe having an alleged monopoly on “reason” could sew the seeds of totalitarianism.
You've erected a few arguments that look like men of straw, and this is the most strawman of all your arguments/claims about atheists and this non-thing "atheism".
 
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The atheist who leads a totalitarian cult of personality somehow has nothing to do with atheism. That makes everything much more pleasant?
It does not make it a result of their atheism. Most especially if they are claiming "gods" as the subject of their cult of personality.
 
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