She is not directly quoting Colossians 2:9 as an exegetical explanation of Christ’s incarnation.
Yes, we certainly gathered that.
She is using related theological language to affirm the complete deity of both the Father and the Son, while distinguishing how they are revealed:
- The Father possesses the complete fullness of deity but remains invisible to human sight.
- The Son possesses the complete fullness of deity and makes God known or “manifested.”
- The Spirit is described in the following sentence as the fullness of the Godhead exercising divine agency.
Therefore, “bodily” in her sentence about the Father does
not appear to mean “incarnated in a human body.” It appears to be an older use of “bodily” meaning
substantially, fully, or in complete reality, rather than partially or figuratively.
Did you read the article we are discussing? Did you have Chat GPT look at the article we are discussing? Anyone who did knows that the AI is missing a few things.
That usage is not identical to Paul’s precise application in Colossians 2:9.
To say the least.
Ellen White is adapting biblical terminology for a broader theological statement.
And we are asking you what that statement is. The author in the article gave his view.
The central problem in their argument is that they seem to assume:“If ‘all the fullness of the Godhead bodily’ is used of anyone, it must necessarily mean that person became incarnate.”
Which is exactly NOT the case, which was why I asked you what you thought it meant.
But that conclusion depends on the context.
And did you share the context of this discussion with the AI? Did you share the article that was the basis of this thread? And did you read it?
In Colossians 2:9, “bodily” refers to the fullness dwelling in Christ in embodied form.
Yes.
In Ellen White’s statement, the immediate contrast is between the Father being invisible and the Son being manifested. Her point is about the fullness and distinct revelation of the divine persons
That doesn't spell out what she meant by "bodily". The article gives one explanation. You were asked for yours.
but their earlier argument relied heavily on bringing up the fact that the Father was not incarnate.
Right, because He was not. That seems relevant. And the statement about Christ in Scripture is about Him being incarnate.
So we were asking you about how she applied the language to the Father.
And if you read the article, you should have seen one Adventist explanation.
That would clarify the issue without pretending the misunderstanding came entirely from you.
Did you read the article the thread was based upon? Because if so, then you should not have come to the conclusion that you did. And if you did not read the article the whole conversation is based on--that is really on you.
This is typically how these threads go about EGW. A lot of misrepresentation
Well they do seem to have a lot of misrepresentation by you, when you don't actually read the thread and post things based on your lack of understanding of the topic.
Example 1. In the Ellen White--Jesus could have failed, lost His "eternal existence" thread you claimed misrepresentation, and posted an AI Analysis--of the wrong statements entirely. You analyzed Ellen White Comments that were not the subject of the thread, but assumed were the subject of the thread, rather than reading to see what was actually discussed:
If Jesus could not sin, then there is no purpose to being led into the wilderness, nor fasting for forty days and nights, nor being tempted. He was led to be tempted AND TO OVERCOME. He came to destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has...
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Example 2: In the Adventist: amalgamation in CERTAIN races of men thread you apologized after initially claiming I was trying to guess about what races she meant, until it was pointed out you didn't read the thread, and I had not guessed at all, but was simply looking at what explanations Adventists offered themselves on controversial statements. You also posted an AI analysis that had you read the thread you would know was redundant.
Not an expert on EGW writings, read some of her books, but know by lots of other people who study her writings most critics take her out of context. I asked ChatGPT about the OP and this was its response for those interested The strongest answer is: Ellen White never identified any specific...
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Example 3: In the The Timeline to 1844 came from Bible Scholars and believers not William Miller thread the topic of the shut door was referenced, so I linked to a document on said topic from the White Estate, by a White Estate director. You then posted an AI analysis of the Ellen White Estate document! And you claimed "some people" were presenting partial quotes to misrepresent Ellen White. Well, if you think the White Estate is misrepresenting Ellen White, you can take that up with them. But it was an odd choice to fact check the White Estate document that was defending her on the point.
Well, this is amazing. I was taking my wife to the beach as she had an outbreak which I thought the sun and warm waters would help heal. So we headed there and I grabbed my beach bag and made sure it had all my change of clothes, towels, and a book to read which I grabbed on the way out. So we...
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Example 4: In the Ellen White: Meat eating weakens moral powers thread you said I didn't cite the original source, and then said AI had to help you find it, but I pointed out it was cited in the very first post of the thread above the quote. Your AI also cited not only the original source but a compilation, and I explained why you would not quote the compilation. And I noted that the way I formatted it was to make it easier to pull up in Google. You then marked my post with the "informative" marker.
Here is a screenshot:
As an example, the Jains in India, who go to much greater lengths than the SDA to conform to the original diet and lifestyle of God, even to the point of complete nudity for their priests (as Adam and Eve lived) have a statistically lower life expectancy than any member of Western societies who...
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Anyway, this is my last post here.
Ok, next time please read a bit more carefully before reaching for AI.
