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If we had to validate the faux outrage of everything someone in the US Left got mad at Trump about, we'd have do that for a wide array of stupid stuff...and they're just going to be more upset when they don't get their way.
Good grief, man. This isn't faux outrage. Everyone gets bent out of shape sometimes when it comes to politics. But this man is catastrophically bad at everything he touches.

If you enabled the 25th and got rid of him then I'd seriously throw a party. The nightmare would be over. I could care less who stands in for him. I'm not enamoured with Vance but he'll do. We could then get back to arguing politics rather than spending time dealing with a man child with the character of an alley cat.

If it was up to me you could have Vance and the GOP for the next 6 years if you'd only get rid of Trump.
 
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Good grief, man. This isn't faux outrage. Everyone gets bent out of shape sometimes when it comes to politics. But this man is catastrophically bad at everything he touches.

If you enabled the 25th and got rid of him then I'd seriously throw a party. The nightmare would be over. I could care less who stands in for him. I'm not enamoured with Vance but he'll do. We could then get back to arguing politics rather than spending time dealing with a man child with the character of an alley cat.

If it was up to me you could have Vance and the GOP for the next 6 years if you'd only get rid of Trump.
Trying to pressure GA election officials to "find 11,000 votes"
Promising no new wars, then starting a war with Iran
Promising to end weaponization, and then doing it himself

Those are legitimate reasons for outrage and worthy of deeper discussion.

Ballrooms and overstaying his welcome on a soccer field are not...
 
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We really mad about the nepostism, the suspected child raping that is not getting dealt with, the beclowning (again) by himself against a woman he sexually assaulted/raped, the national embarrassment he is, we are really mad about how people's rights are just being completely ignored.

We are also curious are to why Republicans and more centrists aren't mad at that.

I'm not even going to go into his policy decisions or what the affects of DOGE is going to be on America.

It's fine to be mad about those things... but if you expect to find allies from the center and center-right portion of the spectrum, the Democrats will need to present an option that doesn't come with a bunch of baggage of their own.


What incentive is there to inspire a centrist to get out there and vote against the GOP to help the left win vs. staying home?

"I'll help the left oust Trump over a few points of mutual agreement, for what??? so I can pay off the student loans of a bunch of condescending kids who talk down to us constantly and try to tell us what we can and can't say, have drag book club for kids, get my taxes raised, have less safe communities after they cut police funding because "arresting criminals is racist", and gaslight me about how they've conducted themselves over the past 10 years"?

That's not a strong selling point.

I've mentioned before that my vote is completely in play for the Democrats (I used to vote Democratic more often than not)...all they have to do is put a reasonable person out there, who's willing to tell "the kids" to go sit in the corner and that the adults are in charge, and I'll happily vote for them.

...but no, I'm not going to willingly vote to be governed by the types of weirdos that I see out there at the "No Kings" rallies.
 
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Trying to pressure GA election officials to "find 11,000 votes"
Promising no new wars, then starting a war with Iran
Promising to end weaponization, and then doing it himself

Those are legitimate reasons for outrage and worthy of deeper discussion.

Ballrooms and overstaying his welcome on a soccer field are not...
They most definitely are matters for which he should be held to account. The standard I use is my own PM. Something like Trump's childish attemp to try to fit himself into a sporting celebration would have made an absolute laughing stock of Albanese to the accute embarrasment of even his supporters, including me. And knocking down a fair chunk of his temporary home for a gilded ballroom would have seen calls for his head and concerns for his mental health.

I will not allow these idiotic and self serving vanity projects to simply pass under the radar because gee, there are so many other things vastly more important!

I'm not going to lower the bar on any matter. Calling him out on spending a ridiculous amount of time on algae doesn't lessen the pure rage I feel when he orders your servicemen and women to war and kills thousands because he couldn't stand that Obama - oh, sorry...Barak HUSEIN Obama had made a deal that he had to abide by.

Complaining about him looking an absolute fool on live tv to billions doesn't lesson the anger I feel when he cancels US Aid resulting in so many deaths.

You don't want lower the bar. Your risible excuses for the man shows that you want that bar removed for most of what he does.
 
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It's fine to be mad about those things... but if you expect to find allies from the center and center-right portion of the spectrum, the Democrats will need to present an option that doesn't come with a bunch of baggage of their own.
Well that was a 180 degree turn on issues.

Sure. I agree. I think the dems need to put forward a great candidate,....but I'm not totally sure it is required to be a more centrist candidate. We'll see I guess.

I can't imagine the apocalyptic messaging if AOC were to run and win.

Oh my goodness; so many American men would just be on fire with rage.


What incentive is there to inspire a centrist to get out there and vote against the GOP to help the left win vs. staying home?

"I'll help the left oust Trump over a few points of mutual agreement, for what??? so I can pay off the student loans of a bunch of condescending kids who talk down to us constantly and try to tell us what we can and can't say, have drag book club for kids, get my taxes raised, have less safe communities after they cut police funding because "arresting criminals is racist", and gaslight me about how they've conducted themselves over the past 10 years"?

That's not a strong selling point.
Your distaste of the left is stronger than your support for Trump, essentially.


I've mentioned before that my vote is completely in play for the Democrats (I used to vote Democratic more often than not)...all they have to do is put a reasonable person out there, who's willing to tell "the kids" to go sit in the corner and that the adults are in charge, and I'll happily vote for them.

...but no, I'm not going to willingly vote to be governed by the types of weirdos that I see out there at the "No Kings" rallies.
Do you withhold your vote or vote third party? Certainly there are more centrist options among presidential candidates.


It's strange. You seem to think that criticism of Trump requires some kind of de facto, support for Democrats. No, you can just say "Oh geez. He should have just walked away from the picture". Just that sentence at least confirms that a person are aware of the social mores in that situation.

You say you are getting tired about the complaining about Trump. So talking/writing Something that, really, has no real bearing on your life.

Do you not get tired about Trump? I mean how often can one say say "Oh that rapscallion!" before one realizes a threat? Are we all Neville Chamberlain with our personality reading skills?



Centrists absolutely critcize trump a bunch; even some conservatives (though pretty rarely).
 
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Do you withhold your vote or vote third party? Certainly there are more centrist options among presidential candidates.


It's strange. You seem to think that criticism of Trump requires some kind of de facto, support for Democrats. No, you can just say "Oh geez. He should have just walked away from the picture". Just that sentence at least confirms that a person are aware of the social mores in that situation.

You say you are getting tired about the complaining about Trump. So talking/writing Something that, really, has no real bearing on your life.

Do you not get tired about Trump? I mean how often can one say say "Oh that rapscallion!" before one realizes a threat? Are we all Neville Chamberlain with our personality reading skills?



Centrists absolutely critcize trump a bunch; even some conservatives (though pretty rarely).
I've done both...I voted for the Libertarian party in 2016, voted for Biden in 2020 (because he campaigned moderately, how his administration governed was a different story), and then I withheld my vote in 2024.


I know the voting system is different in Canada vs. the US. (you guys vote for a party, and not directly for a candidate)

But how the situation shakes out in a two party first past the post system.

In all 3 of the elections involving Trump, the left presented it as if the only acceptable option was to help their candidate win.

They said my vote for the LP was a "wasted vote" and just helped Trump win

They said in 2024 that staying home was also unacceptable, because it was an apathetic attitude that allowed Trump to win.


In both cases, the implication was "If you agree that Trump is bad, then the only way to stop him from getting in is if you back our candidate"

Which would be a de facto support for Democrats.

Voting for Harris (even if one didn't like her) simply to keep Trump out, vs. voting for Harris because one actually liked her platform, have the identical practical effect... a vote for Harris is a vote for Harris, regardless of the intent behind it.
 
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I've done both...I voted for the Libertarian party in 2016, voted for Biden in 2020 (because he campaigned moderately, how his administration governed was a different story), and then I withheld my vote in 2024.


I know the voting system is different in Canada vs. the US. (you guys vote for a party, and not directly for a candidate)

But how the situation shakes out in a two party first past the post system.

In all 3 of the elections involving Trump, the left presented it as if the only acceptable option was to help their candidate win.

They said my vote for the LP was a "wasted vote" and just helped Trump win

They said in 2024 that staying home was also unacceptable, because it was an apathetic attitude that allowed Trump to win.


In both cases, the implication was "If you agree that Trump is bad, then the only way to stop him from getting in is if you back our candidate"

Which would be a de facto support for Democrats.

Voting for Harris (even if one didn't like her) simply to keep Trump out, vs. voting for Harris because one actually liked her platform, have the identical practical effect... a vote for Harris is a vote for Harris, regardless of the intent behind it.
Oh.
I see.

You are allowing a marketting campaign to assign your reality.
 
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Trying to pressure GA election officials to "find 11,000 votes"
Promising no new wars, then starting a war with Iran
Promising to end weaponization, and then doing it himself

Those are legitimate reasons for outrage and worthy of deeper discussion.

Ballrooms and overstaying his welcome on a soccer field are not...
REpublicans don't care about the legitimate stuff either.


So then what happens? Just allow his nonsense to become de rigor? Ensure that that is the new reality for the body politick in the US? OR what if Republicans just insisted this ridiculous behaviour stopped?

Or, and I can't imagine a single Republican would have the courage to stand up and say it's time for Trump to step away given his behaviour.
 
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Oh.
I see.

You are allowing a marketing campaign to assign your reality.

What are you referring to as the marketing campaign?

Harris said "here's the things I plan on doing", I didn't like a lot of those things, so I opted not to vote for her either. I don't owe it to anyone else to help their team win just because they dislike Trump more than I do.

Is what I laid out not the reality of a two-party first past the post system?

Does a person voting for Harris because they actually like her, vs. voting for Harris as a way of trying to keep Trump out change the trajectory things? It still ends up as a Harris/Walz administration, right
 
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REpublicans don't care about the legitimate stuff either.
Thus the reason I didn't vote for their guy either.
So then what happens? Just allow his nonsense to become de rigor? Ensure that that is the new reality for the body politick in the US? OR what if Republicans just insisted this ridiculous behaviour stopped?
We wait until 2028 and hope our options are better. Just like we've done for virtually every other president that people haven't liked.

I suppose they could try the impeachment route (again), but that whole process has been somewhat cheapened over the past few decades and nobody takes it seriously anymore. -- courtesy of partisan hacks who like to call for impeachment for everything under the sun just to get rid of a political opponent they dislike.

I suspect (and this is just a hunch), had they not trotted out the first flimsy impeachment attempt, there's a chance the second one may have stuck.


Not sure how much coverage it got north of the border, but there was that organization called "Impeach Day One" that formed in late 2015. Their website had a big countdown clock until is swearing in. And the moment the clock hit zero, everyone was urging their reps to file articles of impeachment... literally the minute after his swearing in (before he had time to even do anything one way or the other)

And a few partisan types in the Senate tried to preemptively lay the groundwork to have a reason to impeach.
In December 2016, Democratic senators Elizabeth Warren, Dick Durbin, Chris Coons, Ben Cardin, and Jeff Merkley introduced a bill that would require the president of the United States to divest any assets that could raise a conflict of interest, including a statement that failure to divest such assets would constitute high crimes and misdemeanors "under the impeachment clause of the U.S. Constitution".[3] Vanity Fair characterized this as a preemptive effort to lay the groundwork for a future impeachment argument.


When stuff like that goes on, it puts people between a rock and a hard place in terms of entertaining removal from office.

Like I mentioned before, it's a matter of incentive structures.
"We're going to add a new rule that no other president has had to abide by, and make failure to abide by it grounds for removal, and it'll go into effect a month after the guy we don't like got elected, and a month before his swearing in"


So if you want my honest opinion, has Trump done anything that could've warranted impeachment/removal in my viewpoint? Yes

But I don't want to incentivize this "buckshot, throw everything at the wall till something sticks, change the rules a few days before so we have a reason" approach, if we allow that to work, they'll just do that every time.

If it were up to some of the more obnoxious - almost to the comedic point of acting like they're in an exaggerated SNL sketch - house reps (like Al Green, Maxine Waters, and Rosa DeLauro), they would've tried to impeach him for that time he blew his nose into a cloth napkin at a restaurant and didn't wash his hands back in 1994.


If I were a Senator, and a person from the other team wins in November, and we know that he his family owns farms. And in December, me and my Senate buddies collude on a bill that said "A president and immediate family members have to sell off any agricultural holdings, because it could be a conflict of interest since they control the USDA, failing to do so is impeachable"

People would rightfully see that as a sour grapes "You're just looking for a reason to impeach them" move.

My personal position would be, I'd rather put up with 2.5 more years of a sub-par president, than reinforce the idea people can just throw a dozen sham calls for impeachment attempts up against the wall, and eventually succeed.



I've often pondered an idea that I think would good. Our system of government sets all kinds of limits on various procedural processes. There should be one for impeachment attempts. You get 1 per president.

I feel that would bring some seriousness back into procedure, and make people think harder before trying it. And that limit would reinforce the idea of "You only get one shot at this, so you better make sure you've got the goods, we don't get a mulligan"

That would have inspired some self-policing. When someone brings up a stupid impeachment idea, the more seasoned members would say "are you crazy, that's stupid, we're not going to waste it on that"
 
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What are you referring to as the marketing campaign?

Harris said "here's the things I plan on doing", I didn't like a lot of those things, so I opted not to vote for her either. I don't owe it to anyone else to help their team win just because they dislike Trump more than I do.
Wouldn't have argued that you did.

Is what I laid out not the reality of a two-party first past the post system?

Does a person voting for Harris because they actually like her, vs. voting for Harris as a way of trying to keep Trump out change the trajectory things? It still ends up as a Harris/Walz administration, right
What is an election but a huuuuge marketing campaign?
 
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Wouldn't have argued that you did.
...but that was the argument from a lot of people on the left down here in the US.

It was very much a gotcha situation of
"regardless of whether or not you agree with the positions of Clinton/Biden/Harris, and since you just agreed that Trump does/says stuff that's really bad, then the mature responsible thing to do would be to vote for Clinton/Biden/Harris to make sure he doesn't get into office, right???"

Where if one concedes to the premise of "Trump is bad" and participates in every bit of "outrage du jour", then they just hang it over your head as a way to browbeat you as to why you didn't actively help their team win.

Like I mentioned, I voted for Biden in 2020 because he at least put on a somewhat moderate facade in his campaigning, and part of my thought process was "If this is the win the Democrats have to be handed to get back to some semblance of normalcy and get them to agree to reopen the country, then I'll roll the dice" (this was during the time when efforts were being made to strategically time vaccine rollout for political reasons... Trump was pushing for rolling it out earlier as part of Warp Speed, the Democrats were trying to push it back until after the election, because both teams wanted to be able to take credit for "doing the thing" that ended the covid fiasco)

But I distinctly recall the pushback I received for voting for the Libertarians in 2016, and not voting for president at all in 2024.

It was very much a "but but... you just agreed with us that Trump was bad on this other thing, so why aren't you helping us win???"
What is an election but a huuuuge marketing campaign?
I see it more as a sneak preview of which people/groups a candidate will pander to and cave to (and more importantly, who they'll be willing to stand up to) once they take office.


Now, had Harris taken an approach sort of like Bill Clinton did with regards to standing up to the more radical part of the base, or like John McCain did when he refused to pander to the birther conspiracy theorists, I may have been a little more inclined to take the bitter pill that is casting a "lesser of two evils vote" even if I disagreed with half of their positions.
 
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Actually, I was mainly referring to the people whining about it with the bratty teen comparison. Trump is more like the drunk uncle who says stupid stuff at Thanksgiving dinner.
More like the drunk uncle who molests the women guests, who steals valuable trinkets left out, who insults the friends and family, who borrows money from the family trust while spending lavishly and suing anyone that inquires into the financials, who gets people arrested on false charges, etc.
If we had to validate the faux outrage of everything someone in the US Left got mad at Trump about, we'd have do that for a wide array of stupid stuff...and they're just going to be more upset when they don't get their way.
The outrage is real. The stupid stuff - supergluing gilt geegaws all over the oval office, putting a picture of an autopen for Biden's portrait, tweeting himself a dumping poop on people, constant lying - distracts from real issues such as funneling overpriced contracts with built-in unusually large profit-margins to cronies, ruining cultural institutions out of pettiness, illegal tariffs, persecuting personal & political opponents using the DOJ, supporting the Palestinian genocide, bombing boats in the Caribbean, bombing Iran (including the schoolgirls), putting a charlatan and a kook in charge of our health systems, flouting judicial orders, hiding the Epstein files, cryptogrift, having government contracts given to companies either partially owned by his family and his revocable trust, accepting emoluments from foreign governments, etc., etc. etc.
The reality is, they're not mad about ballrooms, they're not mad about soccer pictures, they're not mad about mean tweets... what they're really mad about is the fact that there's a political entity stopping them from getting the radical changes they're pushing for, and they grew up during the time of never being told "no".
Who the heck do you think you are to tell me what I'm mad about? The ballroom antics are a disgrace, the soccer stuff is deeply humiliating for our office of president, the all night mean tweets point to a much deeper and more concerning mental health problem....there's no one here who has never been told "no" - that's a ridiculous, untrue and condescending thing to actually write, then post and then not delete.
Hence the reason why, if I said "You're right, Trump is acting like a self-absorbed buffoon, but I'm still not going to vote for your stupid wealth redistribution, paying off your college loans, and defund the police stuff", they'd still be just as mad at me as if I just outright defended the thing they pretend to be angry about.
Accusing people of pretending to be angry about justified anger is angering. Thinking that anyone is mad at you for voting for what you think best can only be projection because no one here knows what you voted for or if you voted for anything - it's absurdly self-absorbed.
 
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More like the drunk uncle who molests the women guests, who steals valuable trinkets left out, who insults the friends and family, who borrows money from the family trust while spending lavishly and suing anyone that inquires into the financials, who gets people arrested on false charges, etc.

The outrage is real. The stupid stuff - supergluing gilt geegaws all over the oval office, putting a picture of an autopen for Biden's portrait, tweeting himself a dumping poop on people, constant lying - distracts from real issues such as funneling overpriced contracts with built-in unusually large profit-margins to cronies, ruining cultural institutions out of pettiness, illegal tariffs, persecuting personal & political opponents using the DOJ, supporting the Palestinian genocide, bombing boats in the Caribbean, bombing Iran (including the schoolgirls), putting a charlatan and a kook in charge of our health systems, flouting judicial orders, hiding the Epstein files, cryptogrift, having government contracts given to companies either partially owned by his family and his revocable trust, accepting emoluments from foreign governments, etc., etc. etc.

Who the heck do you think you are to tell me what I'm mad about? The ballroom antics are a disgrace, the soccer stuff is deeply humiliating for our office of president, the all night mean tweets point to a much deeper and more concerning mental health problem....there's no one here who has never been told "no" - that's a ridiculous, untrue and condescending thing to actually write, then post and then not delete.

Accusing people of pretending to be angry about justified anger is angering. Thinking that anyone is mad at you for voting for what you think best can only be projection because no one here knows what you voted for or if you voted for anything - it's absurdly self-absorbed.

You mention a bunch of stuff as if it all belongs on the same list.

If you're letting his putting an auto-pen picture next to Biden's portrait distract you from a genocide, that's a you problem.

For the record, the Epstein files would still be hidden regardless of who got elected...because people from both parties are on it.

If your outrage over the ballroom is valid, then so is the outrage at the prospect of the wacky stuff the Dems were entertaining.


If the "erosion of democratic norms" makes you angry, are you equally angry about the DSA?

If not, then I would respectfully say, perhaps there are some political blinders being worn.

Because if a person is getting that outraged about Trump trying to build a ballroom without proper congressional review of a proposed budget in some subcommittee for "constitution reasons", then their blood should certainly be boiling that the seat of our nation's financial sector is being led by a guy who's a member of a party who said they want to scrap the constitution, abolish the senate, and replace the president and SCOTUS with new entities that are subordinate to them...right?


Sorry, but if a person supports/praises people like AOC and Mamdani, but hates Trump, then their objections aren't really about "constitutional norms" or objections to "new radical stuff", it's just the noble-sounding rationale. Their objections are really about something else.

The group of people who say
"Who cares about what a bunch of old white racists said in the 1700's" on certain topics...
but then
"Well, the constitution says!" on other topics, highlights the hypocrisy pretty well
 
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I've got a great idea for you. Go start a thread on the DSA platform and we can discuss exactly what it is, what it means and who supports it. Because I absolutely guarantee that everyone will have a different view on every aspect of it. And included in 'anyone' would be AOC and Mamdani.
Sorry, but if a person supports/praises people like AOC and Mamdani, but hates Trump...
Leading on from above, it's just not good enough to link to the DSA and say that everyone who classes themselves as a Democratic Socialist must follow every aspect of the DSA's program and that therefore they are bad people and anyone who supports any views (not all views) that those two people hold cannot therefore complain about what Trump has actually said and done. That's plainly illogical and idiotic.

So if you don't like someone complaining about what Trump has done, save us the schoolyard rhetoric that says it ain't allowed because gee, look what the DSA says. If you don't like it then defend what Trump has done. And also give us a break from the puerile argument that there's more to worry about in the world than Trump making himself look an idiot so therefore it's wrong to complain about trophies and ballrooms and pools and the Arc de Trump and renaming art centres and airports ad nauseum. If you don't like people taking pot shots at these inanities then stay out of the threads. Unless you want to argue that all these and so much, much more are not indications of a self serving and imature man who has no right to be anywhere near the Oval Office, let along have control of the nuclear codes.
 

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You mention a bunch of stuff as if it all belongs on the same list.

If you're letting his putting an auto-pen picture next to Biden's portrait distract you from a genocide, that's a you problem.
Oh, boo hoo.
For the record, the Epstein files would still be hidden regardless of who got elected...because people from both parties are on it.
Release the files and burn the guilty. I'll bring the torch if you bring the kindling.
If your outrage over the ballroom is valid, then so is the outrage at the prospect of the wacky stuff the Dems were entertaining.


If the "erosion of democratic norms" makes you angry, are you equally angry about the DSA?
No elected "DSA" member is actively working to destroy American democracy.
If not, then I would respectfully say, perhaps there are some political blinders being worn.

Because if a person is getting that outraged about Trump trying to build a ballroom without proper congressional review of a proposed budget in some subcommittee for "constitution reasons",
It represents his disregard for the law. Trump is like a disobediate child who tests the limits of what his permissive parents will punish him for. The more he gets away with, the further he will go.

Since your post is an angry ramble about "hypocracy" for what gets criticized, we should note that Trump is publicly disinterested in almost every serious endeavor he should be engaged in, including the war he started. Today we learned he has spent time working on the details of a renovation of the Dulles Airport. (as he has with his ballroom and WH patio space and reflecting pool and arch and putting his name on the Kennedy Center and gluing fake gold do-dads onto the WH walls on and on with the these petty things.) Not only is this not the role of the president (Dulles is managed by an authority that controls it. The president appoints 3 of 17 board members, DC, MD, and VA the rest), but it is yet another thing where the president is not doing the work his job requires.

[This is not surprising as years ago we had reporting that Trump would spend hours working on the carpet samples for his casinos while his executives worked out the deals that kept the casinos operating.]
then their blood should certainly be boiling that the seat of our nation's financial sector is being led by a guy who's a member of a party who said they want to scrap the constitution, abolish the senate, and replace the president and SCOTUS with new entities that are subordinate to them...right?
I did not know the Mayor of New York had powers over the "financial sector". Nor is that a position of Mamdani's party -- the Democratic Party. (If your blood boils, see a physician, or close the lid of your space helmet.)
Sorry, but if a person supports/praises people like AOC and Mamdani, but hates Trump, then their objections aren't really about "constitutional norms" or objections to "new radical stuff", it's just the noble-sounding rationale. Their objections are really about something else.
Nonsense. Trump is a vile person which has been publicly known from 40+ years (perhaps you weren't paying attention). Neither AOC, nor Mamdani has done things anywhere near near as problematic (or frankly, I can't think of anything) to deserve such ire. I'm not talking about opposing some political position. I would consider Trump to one of the worst people in the country even if he had never taken a position on any bit of politics or sought office.
The group of people who say
"Who cares about what a bunch of old white racists said in the 1700's" on certain topics...
but then
"Well, the constitution says!" on other topics, highlights the hypocrisy pretty well
I'm more concerned about the group of white racists from the 2000s.
 
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You mention a bunch of stuff as if it all belongs on the same list.
No, I distinguished stupid stuff, concerning stuff and deeply concerning stuff - they are not on the same list just because they are in the same post.
If you're letting his putting an auto-pen picture next to Biden's portrait distract you from a genocide, that's a you problem.
It's a temporary, comic distraction. If you can't distinguish that, perhaps you are not very adept at seeing distinctions other people make.
For the record, the Epstein files would still be hidden regardless of who got elected...because people from both parties are on it.
That they would still be hidden is base supposition on your part, not fact. Sure, people from both parties are implicated but apart from a few, surprising Republicans working towards their release - and getting thrown out of office for these efforts, e.g. MTG and Thomas Massie - the majority of elected officials working for the release are not Republicans. And you know this.
If your outrage over the ballroom is valid, then so is the outrage at the prospect of the wacky stuff the Dems were entertaining.
First off, my "outrage over the ballroom" isn't that he wants a ballroom, but his lying about all of it, hiding the costs, disregarding the actual laws and procedures to accomplish it, corruption in disregarding the contract procedures and laws and incurring unnecessary expenses while the country is spiraling ever faster into to deeper debt while at the same time cutting aid and services to US citizens.

I have no objection to your expressing your actual outrage over wacky stuff. Have at it, again and again and again.
If the "erosion of democratic norms" makes you angry, are you equally angry about the DSA?
Am I angry about the "erosion of democratic norms" or deeply concerned?

Oh, the old "if you feel this, you also have to feel that". What in particular am I required to be angry about the DSA and why exactly? And is the reverse also true, that if the DSA makes you angry then you have to be equally angry about the "erosion of democratic norms" that Trump is perpetuating?
If not, then I would respectfully say, perhaps there are some political blinders being worn.
Are you aware of your own? Mote/beam, fwiw.
Because if a person is getting that outraged about Trump trying to build a ballroom without proper congressional review of a proposed budget in some subcommittee for "constitution reasons", then their blood should certainly be boiling that the seat of our nation's financial sector is being led by a guy who's a member of a party who said they want to scrap the constitution, abolish the senate, and replace the president and SCOTUS with new entities that are subordinate to them...right?
Oh, so that's what I am required to be angry about the DSA? No, what the current president of the United States is currently actually doing is not the same as some minor political party making proposals to legally change our system of government. Are you really that unable to distinguish between stuff that is actually happening for really real in real time and stuff proposed for the future that is mostly a pipe dreams?

Get back to me when the DSA actually flouts the law while corruptly lining its pockets and those of its members' children and cronies.
Sorry, but if a person supports/praises people like AOC and Mamdani, but hates Trump, then their objections aren't really about "constitutional norms" or objections to "new radical stuff", it's just the noble-sounding rationale. Their objections are really about something else.
Wow, you are wrong. When AOC and Mamdani become as corrupt as Trump, and that time could come, then you can make that claim, but until then, you are incorrect.
The group of people who say
"Who cares about what a bunch of old white racists said in the 1700's" on certain topics...
but then
"Well, the constitution says!" on other topics, highlights the hypocrisy pretty well
Do you really believe that it is all or nothing? Either you support every single thing someone says or you totally disparage every single thing they do? The Founding Fathers were imperfect, not univocal nor above criticism. And the Constitution is imperfect even as it has continued to improve. But the Constitution is the actual law of our land while the originators of it are long dead.

Seriously, dude, your hypocrisy meter needs calibrating.
 
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J Trump tried to insert himself into the Spanish team's triumphal celebration.
But his eulogy for Lindsey Graham solidified him as Clown in Chief.
 
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