Well its not just a isolated change to the beliefs of the Early Church but a complete overhaul to traditions that unfortunately got into even the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox part, and no one can deny this one...
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If Worship on Sunday is wrong, then why do SDA parishes rent their churches to Traditional Christians?
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Well on that note @reddogs you need to actually answer the question.
Do you agree with Ellen White's identification of the harlot and her daughters--yes or no?
Ellen White in Great Controversy says:
The Great Controversy, by Ellen G. White. Chapter 21: A Warning Rejected
When faithful teachers expound the word of God, there arise men of learning, ministers professing to understand the Scriptures, who denounce sound doctrine as heresy, and thus turn away inquirers after truth.
Babylon is said to be "the mother of harlots." By her daughters must be symbolized churches that cling to her doctrines and traditions, and follow her example of sacrificing the truth and the approval of God, in order to form an unlawful alliance with the world. The message of Revelation 14, announcing the fall of Babylon must apply to religious bodies that were once pure and have become corrupt. Since this message follows the warning of the judgment, it must be given in the last days; therefore it cannot refer to the Roman Church alone, for that church has been in a fallen condition for many centuries. Furthermore, in the eighteenth chapter of the Revelation the people of God are called upon to come out of Babylon. According to this scripture, many of God's people must still be in Babylon. And in what religious bodies are the greater part of the followers of Christ now to be found? Without doubt, in the various churches professing the Protestant faith.
And if you do not, then there is no issue renting to them. But if you do, then you need to explain why Adventist congregations are taking money to assist Babylon and her harlot daughters.
Aren't you supposed to call people out of Babylon, not make money off of renting Babylon your worship space?
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I can absolutely 100% deny that, for these reasons:
- The term “Easter” is used only in English and some other Germanic languages notably excluding Dutch, where it is called “Passen” (a translation of Pascha, the way Greek-speaking gentiles pronounced Pesach, the Passover)
- The Ostara-Ishtar connection has been falsified
- This is irrelevant nonsense because the Orthodox even in English speaking countries use the term Pascha or the Feast of the Resurrection, not Easter
- Other aspects commonly associated with it such as the Easter Bunny thing are not aspects of the Orthodox liturgy and never have been. However I have no doubt that other cultural practices such as the custom of eating lamb on Pascha (which is derived from the Passover feast that is fulfilled in Christ) exist that I’m sure some people would take offense to.
Now why the Adventists do not join the Orthodox and other Christians in celebrating the Resurrection on the First Day of the Week, the day it actually happened, I don’t understand, since the Apostles clearly did, just as the Apostles celebrated Pentecost on that day, but I also don’t care, since most Adventists do not aggressively criticize non-Adventist churches. However at least they celebrate it, which is more than can be said about some Reformed Presbyterians.
Since they’re much more likely than the Orthodox to refer to the celebration as Easter perhaps you should speak with them about it?
Also there is the issue that you have parishes that are renting their church space to Orthodox and other Eastern Christian denominations to celebrate the Pascha which you claim on the basis of the Germanic word “Easter” is pagan - and probably have easter egg hunts and easter bunnies and other normal things people do on the feast to celebrate the resurrection of Christ, who is not only the Son of Man but God Himself, from the dead, having trampled down death by death in the greatest victory God has revealed to His children, and also His completion of the creation of mankind on the Precious and Life Giving Cross.
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There is not one Scripture that say the apostles celebrated the Resurrection on the first day or every first day.
Jesus commissioned communion as remembrance of Him, which happened on a Thursday Luke 22:19 not the first day, nor did He instruct one person to do this in lieu of keeping the commandments of God. Jesus made it clear not to lay aside God's commandments for mans traditions. Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13
The apostles taught the resurrection of Jesus on the Sabbath day, it never changed God's commandment to keep the Sabbath day holy and to do our work and labors on the other 6 days. Exo20:8-11 God's version of not sinning against Him and His fear be in us Exo20:20 Exo20:1-17 Ecc12:13-14 Rev14:6-12 over our fear of God through mans traditions Isa 29:13
Acts 17: 2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ.”
There is no Scripture showing any of the apostles preaching the gospel message every first day in church service. In fact, Gentiles when asked for more gospel preaching the next Sabbath, the apostles never told them well, we have a service tomorrow, in fact they waited until the next Sabbath when the whole city came together to hear God's word, exactly as the LORD predicted Isa 56:6-7 Mat24:20
Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Jesus commissioned communion as remembrance of Him, which happened on a Thursday Luke 22:19 not the first day, nor did He instruct one person to do this in lieu of keeping the commandments of God. Jesus made it clear not to lay aside God's commandments for mans traditions. Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13
The apostles taught the resurrection of Jesus on the Sabbath day, it never changed God's commandment to keep the Sabbath day holy and to do our work and labors on the other 6 days. Exo20:8-11 God's version of not sinning against Him and His fear be in us Exo20:20 Exo20:1-17 Ecc12:13-14 Rev14:6-12 over our fear of God through mans traditions Isa 29:13
Acts 17: 2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ.”
There is no Scripture showing any of the apostles preaching the gospel message every first day in church service. In fact, Gentiles when asked for more gospel preaching the next Sabbath, the apostles never told them well, we have a service tomorrow, in fact they waited until the next Sabbath when the whole city came together to hear God's word, exactly as the LORD predicted Isa 56:6-7 Mat24:20
Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
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Nonsense. John 20:2-8, unless you’re saying Peter and the other Apostle implied to be John were unhappy and not celebrating the fact that their Lord had risen from the dead?
I suppose also the Myrhh Bearing Women remained distressed that our Lord had risen despite St. Mary Magdalene enthusiastically informing the twelve and not initially being believed?
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If that’s the case, once again, why are you supporting your denomination renting space, for money, to other churches which worsihp on the First Day, a practice you believe is laying aside God’s commandments for “mans traditions”(sic)?
AND I should add - using fermented wine in celebrating the Eucharist, the Lord’s Supper.
Also regarding the institution of the Lord’s Supper on a Thursday, by the same logic your’e using there, your denomination ought to celebrate it on Thursday and not on the Sabbath, since after all that’s when he did it. All traditional denominations celebrate the Eucharist on Thursday in Holy Week and perhaps some Adventists do as well, but its clearly a case of worship on a weekday in either case, which is something you previously claimed was inherently sinful.
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That's a totally different argument.
No one is saying God's disciples were not elated that Jesus rose from the dead on the third day, of course they were, and mind you this was just after they kept God's Sabbath according to the commandment Luke23:56. But is quite different than saying the apostles celebrated the day of His resurrection every first day, which is not Scriptural. The apostles only show keeping every Sabbath day holy, preaching the resurrection on the Sabbath day as their custom, nothing about doing anything every first day. The apostles were never in rebellion to how Jesus Christ told mankind to live by, every word of God, not man Mark4:4 and God was clear which day He said to Remember to keep holy, the seventh day Sabbath of the LORD thy God, the holy day of the LORD according to His own words Isa 58:13. And to do work and labors on the other six days. Exo20:8-11 Just as Jesus rested in His tomb on the seventh day Sabbath and went back to His Fathers work on the first day, never telling one person it changed any of His commandments, including His faithful followers who were keeping the Sabbath Luke23:56. He already promised it wouldn't. Exo31:18 Exo32:16 Ecc3:14 Psa 89:14 Mat5:18-19 Mat15:3-14 which we see plainly after His death all throughout the NT why every Sabbath was kept in every City Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 as was shown by His faithful apostles decades and decades after His Cross, just as the LORD said Isa 56:6-7 Mat24:20
In the end God will sort this all out. We will all have to make our own decisions and see where they lead Rev22:11
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