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Police say man asked multiple people, ‘Are you Muslim?’ before launching brutal mall stabbing in Utah

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I wouldn't be surprised. Since the Bible was translated to English. In that part of the world. I don't think David would be a name.
I'm not sure that follows. Also, the oldest translation of the Bible into Arabic, 867 CE predates the English language.
 
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Has anyone done research on Islam? Because, I read they don't believe in killing. It's a sin. And a lot things the right wing claim Islam does. There are radicals that turn the belief of Islam around. Just like people do, with the Christian Bible.
Indeed. Many Muslims have been killed by so-called Islamic extremists because they weren’t “Muslim enough.”

A majority of Muslims are very peaceful people who don’t harm others.
 
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I’m only a couple years younger than you. I remember watching 9/11 on a tv in a conference room at work.

No, “we” don’t largely harbor a strong distaste for Islam. The sort of bigotry you’re bragging about is far more narrowly held than you suspect. You’re in the minority.
I think people can disagree with Islam as a religion, and still show love and respect to Muslim people. That’s their prerogative.

If others are hating the Muslim faithful, that’s where problems occur. Then that isn’t ok.
 
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There seems to be some comparison between Islam and Christianity, but Islam might be more closely aligned with Judaism. The prophet Mohammad seems very much like King David in temperament and deeds much as Allah resembles Yahweh more than God the Father. Islam follows Abrahamic traditions.
I think I’m following.

Yes, Islam is strictly Unitarian (no belief in the Trinity) like Judaism, that’s true.

As far as comparing King David and Mohammad? Hmmmmm…..I’m not sure, I don’t agree. Then again, I’m no scholar, so I really can’t comment one way or the other.

BUT, from a Trinitarian Christian perspective, Yahweh is God the Father , since God never changes.

Peoples images and perceptions do.

BUT thats beyond the scope of this thread.

*shrug*
 
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Ask the blacks if 'equal rights' really works. Where has it ever really worked aside from someone's imagination?

...It's a dreamer's utopian fantasy, is all it will ever be. Equality doesn't exist.
Yeah what kind of woke soy boy would ever dare write that men were created equal.
 
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Yeah what kind of woke soy boy would ever dare write that men were created equal.
A slave owner wrote that, right? Goes to show you what a joke it is.

...It was a lie when it was first told, and it's still a lie.
 
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Muslims ain't gonna be treated like equals, just like trans-people and homeless addicts ain't gonna be treated as equals.. Why? Because that's reality. That's how the world works, whether we like it or not.
As a Christian, how do you as an individual treat Muslims, trans-people, and homeless addicts?
 
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As a Christian, how do you as an individual treat Muslims, trans-people, and homeless addicts?
Everyone's gonna say they're not biased, Joseph, regardless of "Christian" or "Not-Christian"...

But how can we test ourselves *for sure*..? I bet you over 50% of Christians who claim to not be biased towards Muslims, trans-people, and homeless addicts, are actually biased indeed towards one or more of those groups.
 
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Everyone's gonna say they're not biased, Joseph, regardless of "Christian" or "Not-Christian"...

But how can we test ourselves *for sure*..? I bet you over 50% of Christians who claim to not be biased towards Muslims, trans-people, and homeless addicts, are actually biased indeed towards one or more of those groups.
In the Christian context, the question is not so much "how do people behave?" but instead "how does Christ call upon his followers to behave?"

At least thats how Christians used to frame it. I realize American Christianity may have elected to leave that path for the most part.
 
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In the Christian context, the question is not so much "how do people behave?" but instead "how does Christ call upon his followers to behave?"

At least thats how Christians used to frame it. I realize American Christianity may have elected to leave that path for the most part.
I already pointed out, that I'm barely even a Christian anymore if at all. So why should I care about any of that?
 
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I see you did not, in fact, answer the question.

Also, why do you hate America? Claiming that the principles on which the nation was founded on are lies. Shame, shame. How could you?
Yes, the nation being founded on "equality" is a lie. Get over it.
 
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I already pointed out, that I'm barely even a Christian anymore if at all. So why should I care about any of that?
Ah. I didnt see that. Your character sheet still says "Catholic".

Well, good for you I guess in being consistent. Modern "conservative", which seems to be your landing spot, doesnt mesh very well with the traditional understanding of "Christian" imo.
 
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...We're not all killers, but largely, have a strong, STRONG distaste for Islam. And we're not wrong. We're right.!!!
If you heard that a young man was brutally stabbed to death by a knife wielding maniac, leaving a traumatised wife and a young child then you'd surely think 'Good heavens, that's appaling. Let's all offer our thoughts and prayers for his family'.

If you're then told that he was a Muslim, do you think 'Oh, well that's OK' ?
 
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3/5 would be the maximum equality allowed in America.
Among men. Women, even those who paid taxes, were not allowed to vote.
 
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Therefore, we can now say for sure that equality is *not* a founding value of the United States. And that's because behind the curtains and all the smoke, there is no such thing as equality in this world.

...You can try and say there is, but that's just a dream rooted in fantasy. Always has been!

Muslims will never be treated as equals in this country, whether we like that or not... Just like homeless addicts, and trans people will never be treated as equals in our social society. It's just the way it is, unfortunately. Welcome to reality.
 
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