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Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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Is God's grace irresistible?
According to Jesus Christ, his grace is resistible.
Luke 13:34
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often have I desired to gather your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about his promise, as some think of slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish, but all to come to repentance.
According to Jesus Christ, his grace is resistible.
Luke 13:34
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often have I desired to gather your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about his promise, as some think of slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish, but all to come to repentance.
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More on the fruit of unconditional election,
Sanctification of the Spirit is equivalent to New Birth of the Spirit, then Faith follows or its equivalent belief of the Truth, which presupposes a effectual Divine Call, and eventually Glorification.
2 Thess 2:13-14
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ
Sanctification of the Spirit is equivalent to New Birth of the Spirit, then Faith follows or its equivalent belief of the Truth, which presupposes a effectual Divine Call, and eventually Glorification.
2 Thess 2:13-14
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ
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Our new birth through baptism justifies us and begins our sanctification process. If we continue in obedience and sanctification, overcoming temptations until we die, we will then reign with Jesus. We must be conquerors like Jesus told us to do.
We must imitate him. Jesus doesn't do this work for us. Titus 3:5, Philippians 4:13
Revelation 3:19-21
I reprove and discipline those whom I love. Be earnest, therefore, and repent. 20 Listen! I am standing at the door, knocking; if you hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to you and eat with you, and you with me. 21 To the one who conquers I will give a place with me on my throne, just as I myself conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Every person is called to salvation. Most people won't persevere until they die.
Luke 8:13
The ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe only for a while and in a time of testing fall away.
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To "know, love, and serve God" and to "love your neighbor as yourself" in both of the covenants require that we do "good" to God and to our neighbor. This cannot be accomplished by "faith alone." Mark 12:29-31
Unless a person "loves" both God and his neighbors until his death, he cannot inherit eternal life. Philippians 2:8, Revelation2:10
Matthew 7:19
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Matthew 25:21
His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’
Matthew 25:31-46
Revelation 22:14
Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
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Benefits of election in Christ !
Eph 1:3-7
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
The elect are and will be holy and without blame before God in Love, that's a benefit of election. Vs 4
The are and will be blessed with all spiritual blessings Vs 3
Predestination unto adoption of Children by Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of Gods will Vs5
Acceptance in the beloved Vs 6
Redemption and forgiveness of sins through Jesus blood according to the riches of Gods Grace Vs 7 9
Eph 1:3-7
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
The elect are and will be holy and without blame before God in Love, that's a benefit of election. Vs 4
The are and will be blessed with all spiritual blessings Vs 3
Predestination unto adoption of Children by Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of Gods will Vs5
Acceptance in the beloved Vs 6
Redemption and forgiveness of sins through Jesus blood according to the riches of Gods Grace Vs 7 9
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Only those people whom God foreknew to be faithful until they died were predestined!
All of the promises in the scriptures you quoted above are valid only for the faithful-until-death Christians. The Christians who will not remain faithful until they die are not included in these promises.
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.
What is this examination, this test, that we should do every day?
We must determine if we still "know" him.
1 John 2:3-5
Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
Luke 9:23
Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.
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Did you form your doctrine about "His finished work" because of your personal understanding concerning Jesus' last words on the cross before he died, or is there more to your doctrine?
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Keep reading. What does Paul say from Ephesians 4:17-5:20... ? On your reading Paul must be teaching "works salvation," particularly with things like this, "But fornication and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is fitting among saints. [...] Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God" (Eph 5:3,5).
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Im dont need to keep reading, Ive read the entire book maybe 100 times over the past 40 years. What you need to do is not evade what I posted about the benefits of election, and jump to the practical part of Ephesians. You dont have the doctrinal understood so the practical is just works salvation.
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Who are of the remnant according to the Election of Grace ?
Rom 11:5
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
In this scripture Paul is specifically referring to some of his kinsmen according to the flesh. Now however that said, its a mistake to limit the remnant according to the election of grace to just ethnic jews or Pauls kinsmen according to the flesh. Thats as foolish as saying Salvation by Grace is limited to Pauls kinsmen according to the flesh, ethnic jews. Its written of the Gentiles Acts 15:11
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we[jews] shall be saved, even as they[gentiles].
Acts 15:14,17-18
14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
This sacred passage speaks to a remnant according to the election of Grace taken out of the gentiles.
The jews were just as fortunate as the gentiles that God had also reserved in them a remnant according to the election of Grace !
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You do. Because on your reading, Paul is a "works salvation" heretic. If you caught someone saying the things Paul says in Ephesians, you would object that they are teaching "works salvation." Beyond that you need to work on grammar and spelling.
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If Salvation is by grace, then its by election ! Paul definitely writes that Salvation is by Grace opposed to works Eph 2:5,8-9
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Also Paul when writing of the elect jews in Rom 11 indicates that Salvation by Grace apart from works stems out of the Election of Grace Rom 11:5-6
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace [election of grace], then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
In Vs 6 here Paul has joind "by grace" with Vs5 " the election of grace"
And so if by grace [election of grace] its no more of works, which coincides with Paul's writing to the Ephesians that Salvation is by Grace through Faith and not of works !
Some will argue, that Eph 2:8 mentions Faith, yes it does, because faith/believing is through Grace [election of grace] Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
The Faith of Gods Elect Titus 1:1
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
There's no Preaching Salvation by Grace through Faith without preaching the Election of Grace !
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Also Paul when writing of the elect jews in Rom 11 indicates that Salvation by Grace apart from works stems out of the Election of Grace Rom 11:5-6
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace [election of grace], then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
In Vs 6 here Paul has joind "by grace" with Vs5 " the election of grace"
And so if by grace [election of grace] its no more of works, which coincides with Paul's writing to the Ephesians that Salvation is by Grace through Faith and not of works !
Some will argue, that Eph 2:8 mentions Faith, yes it does, because faith/believing is through Grace [election of grace] Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
The Faith of Gods Elect Titus 1:1
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
There's no Preaching Salvation by Grace through Faith without preaching the Election of Grace !
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Since Brightfame 52 didn't answer my question, perhaps someone else on this thread will. Here it is again:
Did you form your doctrine about "His finished work" because of your personal understanding concerning Jesus' last words on the cross before he died, or is there more to your doctrine?
Did you form your doctrine about "His finished work" because of your personal understanding concerning Jesus' last words on the cross before he died, or is there more to your doctrine?
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Jesus indicates Election of Some !
Election is perhaps the most despised Gospel doctrine in all the scripture. It magnifies the Sovereign Mercy of God in the Lord Jesus Christ. Yet Jesus who is the only way of Salvation indicates it especially in John's Gospel. Listen to John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
The words of Christ here "All that the Father giveth to me" denotes certain ones had been given to Him by His Father !
John 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
The words of Christ here "as many as thou hast given me" indicate only certain ones should He give eternal life to. Thats election .
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