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WATER BAPTISM ISN'T FOR US
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Clearly you don’t know how the English language works. If something is in the passive voice, it is, and always will be, passive. The verb believe is the action verb in that sentence. There is no changing places from active to passive. Salvation has always been, and will always be, based on belief.
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The Great Commission is not part of the Law. Christ had already fulfilled the law with His sacrifice on the cross, clearly He wasn’t suggesting a return to the law, otherwise why would He sacrifice himself?
Just out of curiosity, how, in your convoluted theology, does making disciples of all nations become part of the law to you?
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What do you think Paul hoped to do by preaching the gospel?
I'm not sure what you are asking here, but I have both of them in my Bible, and neither of them mentions baptism when talking about salvation.
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It was directed to you because I believe your opinions about the practice of baptism being without water is foolish. I don’t mean any deep hostility or anything. Plenty of people here have refuted you on this.
Different understandings about baptism by the Spirit ( as long as the doctrine is believed) vary among Christians, no argument made by me on that.
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Because you hurled it incorrectly at the witness to the practice of water baptism which is held by most Christians.
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Hebrews 1:1-2 should be a clear example then to the doctrine. It is not a doctrine within Orthodox Christianity as a fact to my faith ( I am not criticizing the doctrine). I came across a forum discussion among dispensationalists just a few minutes ago ( to this post) where they mentioned the passage from Hebrews.
From the intro post of a discussion from 2023:
Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.'
(2 Tim. 2:15)
Hello there,
This verse (above) is the basic principle upon which dispensational truth is founded.
* 'We are informed in Hebrews 1:1-2, that:-
'God, Who at sundry times and in divers manners
spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son,
Whom He hath appointed heir of all things,
by Whom also He made the worlds;'
* In the belief that all of God's words as well as His works are perfect, it is for us to carefully search them out.
Dispensational Truth
'Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.' (2 Tim. 2:15) Hello there, This verse (above) is the basic principle upon which dispensational truth is founded. * 'We are informed in Hebrews 1:1-2, that:- 'God, Who at...
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#1 GO. //. YALAK. is a verb in. the QAL. in. the SIGNULAR
# 2. FROM THE PRESENCE. //. NEGED. is a PREPOSTION
#3 OF. A. //. is in a PREPOSITION. is a SIGNULAR. is a ABSOLUTYE
#4 FOOLISH. //. KASIL. in. the SINGULAR is an. ABSOLUTE\
#5 MAN. //. IS. is a CONJUNCTION
# 6 WHEN. //. BAL is a CONJUNMCTION
# 7. THOU. PERCEIVEST // VADA A VERB in. the QAL. in. the SINGULAR
# 8I NOT //. BAL. os a PARTICLE NEGHATIVE
# 9. THE LIPS //. SAPA.
#10. OF KNOWLED. //. DAAT in. the SIGNULAR in. the ABOSULTE
BUT THE FOLLY. OF FOOLS IS DECEIT !!
AND PROVERBS. IS JUST ONE OF MY FAVRORITE BOOK excep[t for COL 1:25. WHERE hje was given to COMPLETE
THE WORD OF GOD. !!
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And you are right o as Paul NEVER WATER //. HYDOR BAPTIZED anyone in. 1. Cor 1:14 HE would be WATER. // HYDOR
FOR MY NAME !!
Also notice that MATT 28 says they were to BAPTIZE ( but the Greek word for. WATER. /. HYDOR in not in. the
Greek TEXT and I always check the GREEK TEXT . ALWAYS
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I am not sure what part of this point you are missing, but WE (disciples of Christ) CANNOT baptize with anything BUT water. Baptism of the Holy Spirit is what GOD does.
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How did Philip obey the command Christ gave His disciples in Matt. 28 in his encounter with the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8?
And as they went along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What is to prevent my being baptized?” And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught up Philip; and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing.
ὡς δὲ ἐπορεύοντο κατὰ τὴν ὁδόν, ἦλθον ἐπί τι ὕδωρ, καί φησιν ὁ εὐνοῦχος· Ἰδοὺ ὕδωρ, τί κωλύει με βαπτισθῆναι; καὶ ἐκέλευσεν στῆναι τὸ ἅρμα, καὶ κατέβησαν ἀμφότεροι εἰς τὸ ὕδωρ ὅ τε Φίλιππος καὶ ὁ εὐνοῦχος, καὶ ἐβάπτισεν αὐτόν. ὅτε δὲ ἀνέβησαν ἐκ τοῦ ὕδατος, πνεῦμα κυρίου ἥρπασεν τὸν Φίλιππον, καὶ οὐκ εἶδεν αὐτὸν οὐκέτι ὁ εὐνοῦχος, ἐπορεύετο γὰρ τὴν ὁδὸν αὐτοῦ χαίρων.
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And why. do you say that I. am CONVOLUTED. when you all refused to. give credit to the APOSTLE
TO US GENTILES ;
And in Matt 10:5 says speaking to the 12 DISCIPLES :
DO NOT GO in to the WAY of the GENTILES and do NOT. // ME is a DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE means
( AND DO NOT EVER INTO THE WAY OF THE GENTILES , EVERRRRRR. ). and check the GREEK TEXT. and I am
RIGHT ONE ). and do NOT. //. ME a city of the SAMARITANAS. BUT go rather to he LOST TRIBE OF ISRAEL. !!
And ask me any question and be happy to answer. ANY questions at any time !!
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And there many definition the word BAPTISM and most. people do mot have a HANDLE on. it !!
And one word BAPTISMA is used 22 times from Matthew and ends up in 1. Peter 3:21 !!
And their I the BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD n. 1 Cor 15:29. ??
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And why water is not mentioned is because OF 1 COR 1:15. !!
AND IN 1 COR 10:2 ::
AND ALL WERE BAPTIZED UNTO. MOSES in. the CLOUD and in. the SEA ??
And there were Thousands crossing the red sea and baptized in. the CLOUD and Baptized in. the SEA ??
And there is an. answer. !!
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Yes, I quoted from a known Christian church manual from the late 1st century that shows witness to water baptism in line with Matthew 28:19. Your reply was to incorrectly apply Paul’s warning about a false gospel. ( posts 95 & 97)
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Well just looking at your interpretation of 1 Corinthians 15:29 is incorrect since the external act involves immersion. The meaning is built into the very word in line with the practice at hand. There is no evidence Paul said or did anything otherwise as far as the external practice of water baptism is considered.
I took the word for baptism from 1 Corinthians 15:29 from a Greek Orthodox bilingual New Testament site. Then I cross referenced it to AI online and everything points to an external water baptism instead of your unreferenced diagrams that have typos. In line with Romans 6 we are buried in baptism unto the Lord’s death to be raised in glory in the resurrection.
βαπτίζονται (from the Greek root baptizo - βαπτίζω) translates to "they are baptized" or "they immerse" in English. [1, 2]
Phonetic Pronunciation
Meaning & Context
The word comes from the root verb βαπτίζω (baptizo), which originally means "to immerse," "to submerge," or "to dip". In a religious or ceremonial context, it refers to the act of fully submerging or washing someone in water to cleanse or initiate them into a faith. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
The above was applied from Greek Orthodox bilingual New Testament.
Ch 15 - 1st Epistle to the Corinthians - - The New Testament
www.ellopos.net
I asked earlier: do you speak Greek?
I don’t.
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Εἰς ὁδὸν ἐθνῶν μὴ ἀπέλθητε καὶ εἰς πόλιν Σαμαριτῶν μὴ εἰσέλθητε
Nope! There is no "don't ever" in the Greek. You are wrong and are adding to the Scriptures.
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