Iran Negotiations

Laodicean60 · Jul 15, 2026

The root is whether you support a nuclear Iran or not. I can't see anyone in their right mind allowing Iran to have nukes, and I'm mainly talking to boomers because I've seen their violence against humanity since the 80s, and as an Army guy, I took note of who was killing my brothers.

Looks like Trump was serious about Iran back in the day, and I think he'll take it to the end for Iran's neighbors. Israel isn't the only neighbor that fears a nuclear Iran. The Iraq meeting was interesting, and I like it; get the hell out of Dodge. This also means that the Gulf states need to step up their security. America hopefully might be pulling out.

Say it aint so · Jul 15, 2026

Landon Caeli said:
While that may have been plan A, it would be unwise to think that top Military commanders in the United States don't have a plan B, C, D, etc., lined up, and waiting for the command to execute, if the president decides to escalate. And he may or may not want to escalate... We don't know what he will decide, or when he decides to do it, but I'm sure the military will make suggestions according to time and resource availability. I'm sure our military is playing chess, in every moment that passes.

Those military advisors advised President "trust my gut feelings" that plan A was farcical. He plowed through anyway and look where were at. So as I said, plan B is now dealing with the Strait of Hormuz. Which by the way, those advisors warned "President "trust my gut feelings" the closing was exactly what was going to happen. I am amazed you think Trump actually listens to his advisors. He doesn't.

Landon Caeli · Jul 15, 2026

Say it aint so said:
Those military advisors advised President "trust my gut feelings" that plan A was farcical. He plowed through anyway and look where were at. So as I said, plan B is now dealing with the Strait of Hormuz. Which by the way, those advisors warned "President "trust my gut feelings" the closing was exactly what was going to happen. I am amazed you think Trump actually listens to his advisors. He doesn't.

It is impossible that the United States can be held down, completely, by "the Strait of Hormuz", and lose this altogether.

...Unless we let it happen.

Landon Caeli · Jul 15, 2026

I would be surprised if anyone here actually believes that Iran will outflank the U.S. in the end.

Say it aint so · Jul 15, 2026

Landon Caeli said:
It is impossible that the United States can be held down, completely, by "the Strait of Hormuz", and lose this altogether.

...Unless we let it happen.

Again, look at who is running this war. I am not going to go through the resumes of the decision makers, the negotiators, but it's clear they are out of their element. It's like the reflecting pool contractor on a grand scale of hostility.

Say it aint so · Jul 15, 2026

Landon Caeli said:
I would be surprised if anyone here actually believes that Iran will outflank the U.S. in the end.

Vietnam, I am sure Westmoreland had the same sentiment. And I am sure Putin thought the same thing about Ukraine as well.

Landon Caeli · Jul 15, 2026

We're going to have to wait and see the end.

Nithavela · Jul 15, 2026

essentialsaltes said:
Inside the 24-hour sprint to convince Trump to drop his plans to toll Strait of Hormuz
President Donald Trump shocked Gulf allies and many of his own aides with his plan to impose a toll on the Strait of Hormuz, touching off an international scramble to convince him to reverse course on his demand, several sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

The abrupt announcement on Monday came despite months of warnings from Trump's own advisers not to pursue the idea, for fear it would undermine the US' own war aims — as well as validate Iran's purported plans to charge fees in the strait, which the administration repeatedly characterized as illegal.

But as he surveyed the intensifying struggle over the strait that had drawn the US back into full-fledged war, a frustrated Trump pressed ahead anyway.

"The U.S.A. will be, from this point forward, known as 'THE GUARDIAN OF THE HORMUZ STRAIT,'" he wrote on Truth Social Monday morning, vowing to charge a 20% toll on all cargo shipped through the strait.

I believe that this is far higher than what Iran would ask.

Nithavela · Jul 15, 2026

Landon Caeli said:
And every naval blockade we put up chokes them nearly unconscios. And then we drop bombs on them.

...For how long can they starve before they die?

Iran produces more food than it consumes.

Landon Caeli · Jul 15, 2026

Nithavela said:
Iran produces more food than it consumes.

Agent orange destroys crops by stopping photosynthesis within 5 hours... But the use of chemical agents during war is illegal according to the Geneva convention.

The use of nuclear weapons during war, are not illegal according to the Geneva convention however, as long as their use is not intended to cause long term environmental damage.

...Who knows what direction this will take, ultimately.

Landon Caeli · Jul 15, 2026

In Vietnam, the U.S. first used agent orange to kill the jungle... And then used napalm to burn it down into ashes.

...But you can't do that these days.

Akita Suggagaki · Jul 15, 2026

Landon Caeli said:
I would be surprised if anyone here actually believes that Iran will outflank the U.S. in the end.

It remains to be seen but we are currently reaping our own whirlwind.

I would like to see at least one Trump enthusiast here admit he made a bad mistake.

Nithavela · Jul 15, 2026

Landon Caeli said:
Agent orange destroys crops by stopping photosynthesis within 5 hours... But the use of chemical agents during war is illegal according to the Geneva convention.

The use of nuclear weapons during war, are not illegal according to the Geneva convention however, as long as their use is not intended to cause long term environmental damage.

...Who knows what direction this will take, ultimately.

I don't think that the USA will deploy nuclear weapons or defoliation agents to destroy the food supply of iran. That's a bit too many war crimes even for the USA.

Desk trauma · Jul 15, 2026

Landon Caeli said:
In Vietnam, the U.S. first used agent orange to kill the jungle... And then used napalm to burn it down into ashes.

...But you can't do that these days.

And still lost.

Nithavela · Jul 15, 2026

Desk trauma said:
And still lost.

I'm sure the USA would have won if they had only warcrimed a little harder.

Landon Caeli · Jul 15, 2026

Akita Suggagaki said:
It remains to be seen but we are currently reaping our own whirlwind.

I would like to see at least one Trump enthusiast here admit he made a bad mistake.

I may be able to give you some satisfaction...

In that, it may be true that the route we chose to take under the current administration may indeed be similar to Vietnam, because the Viet Cong were able to hide and ambush in the trees of the jungle... Similarly, the Iranian leaders, may be able to hide and ambush within their population - because that's what people do, who don't value the lives of their own fellow countrymen. And while we were able to successfully burn down much of the Vietnamese jungle, we won't be able to kill the Iranian civilians, as if they too were trees. ...So that's going to be the problem as far as removing the leaders.

...But what we can do, is cause a lot of damage if things don't go our way. We can do to Iran, essentially what Israel did to "Palestine"... We can literally send them back to the stone age, and that's probably what's going to have to happen towards the end Trump's term, or sooner.

...And we'll nuke where their nuke materials are. And that will be the end of it, nobody can get near it then, to try and salvage it.

Landon Caeli · Jul 15, 2026

If anyone here doesn't think the U.S. is mass-producing bombs right now as we speak, in preparation for this large event. You've got another thing coming.

Akita Suggagaki · Jul 15, 2026

Landon Caeli said:
I may be able to give you some satisfaction...

In that, it may be true that the route we chose to take under the current administration may indeed be similar to Vietnam, because the Viet Cong were able to hide and ambush in the trees of the jungle... Similarly, the Iranian leaders, may be able to hide and ambush within their population - because that's what people do, who don't value the lives of their own fellow countrymen. And while we were able to successfully burn down much of the Vietnamese jungle, we won't be able to kill the Iranian civilians, as if they too were trees. ...So that's going to be the problem as far as removing the leaders.

...But what we can do, is cause a lot of damage if things don't go our way. We can do to Iran, essentially what Israel did to "Palestine"... We can literally send them back to the stone age, and that's probably what's going to have to happen towards the end Trump's term, or sooner.

...And we'll nuke where their nuke materials are. And that will be the end of it, nobody can get near it then, to try and salvage it.

Such a grim scenario. And yet most likely. But again, no Trump enthusiast expressing acknowledgement of a blunder?

essentialsaltes · Jul 15, 2026

Akita Suggagaki said:
But again, no Trump enthusiast expressing acknowledgement of a blunder?

Blunder? This was the plan all along. Trump said it would be over in two weeks, and here we are exactly two weeks later and the situation is precisely where it needs to be.

Akita Suggagaki · Jul 15, 2026

essentialsaltes said:
Blunder? This was the plan all along. Trump said it would be over in two weeks, and here we are exactly two weeks later and the situation is precisely where it needs to be.

You are getting good at pseudo-reality thinking.

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