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WATER BAPTISM ISN'T FOR US
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AND this is what MARK 16:16 HAS WRITEN. !!
#1. HE THAT // HO is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. is a NOMINATIVE CASE in. the SIGNULAR
#2. BELIEVETH // PISTEUO. is in. the AORIST TENSE in the ACTIVE VOICE in the NOMINATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR
#3. AND //. KAI in. a CONJUNCTION
#4 IS BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO. in. the AORIST TENSE in. the PASSIVE VOICE in. the SINGULAR
#5 SHALL. BE SAVED. // SOZO in. the FUTURE TENSE in. the. INDICATIVE MOOD in. the SINGULAR.
#6. BUT // DE. is a CONJUNCTION
#7 HE. THAT BELIEVETH. NOT. // APISTEO. in v the AORIST TENSE in. the ACTIVE VOICE in. the. SINGULAR
#8 SHALL BE DAMNNED in. the FUTURE TENSE. in. the PASSIVE VOICE in. the INDICATIVE MOOD in. the SINGULAR.
# A AND why one saved !!
#B And HOW is ONE , DAMNED. ??
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Salvation is predicated on belief, not baptism. You might notice in that verse that it says he who does not BELIEVE is condemned. NOT he who isn’t baptized will be condemned. Baptism in that verse is speaking about being baptized BECAUSE you believe.
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And it says that ONE that is BAPTIZED is said !!
AND it. say that one is BAPTIZED. and is SAVED //SOZO. !!
AND the other person was NOT BAPTIZED was Damned , WHY. ???
Please remember THAT. the one DAMNED is in the FUTURE TENSE in the PASSIVE VOICE and in the. INDICATIVE MOOD
And google what the PASSIVE VOICE means and very. easy. !!
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As far as I can understand, a belief like that is stated in Hebrews 1:1-2.
Personally, I do my best to express my faith as cooperatively as possible in fellowship. There are differences of faith understanding that are possible as long as salvation by grace ( Ephesians 2:8-10 etc.) is sustained overall. For ex. I believe Sunday, by the Lord’s resurrection, is the day of worship. However, I believe a sabbath keeper can Biblically back their tradition. A case like this, I believe, falls within the idea of Christian liberty in Galatians 5. If a sabbath keeper says only the sabbath can be kept, that I reject.
As far as baptism, I actually do not in any way argue against different understandings of baptism in the Spirit. Again, I look at what Paul writes in Galatians 5 in most cases. It is hearing a claim that a common held form of witness in baptism ( by water) is wrong ( when it isn’t, 1 John 5:6-8 etc.) and abusing scripture ( Galatians 1:8-9) to justify a false charge.
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“Is baptized” is in the passive voice because it follows the main command. He who believes (the main command) and is baptized (the command following those who believe) will be saved. However, IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE you will be condemned. It is the lack of belief that condemns you, not the lack of baptism.
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The PASSIVE VOICE becomes the action of the sentence !!
The INDICATIVE MOOD TO state facts or. ask questions. 11
And it is I that believes you will never. understand what. Mark 16 :16 really means ??
and you will ever convince me ??
And here some where the word DISPENSATION can. be found !!
1. Cor 9:17
EPN 1;10
COL 1:25
Eph 3:2
ROM. 16:25 AND 2 ARE part of. the word DISPENSATION
AND 1 TIM 1:4
An how is Paul who wrote COL 1:25 AND verse 26 to COMPLETE THE WORD OF GOD !!
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BECAUSE Paul only preached the GRACE of God and NOT THE LAW
Rule number One in. Ron 1:1 and the old SEPARATED //. APHORIZO. means that Paul. was LIMITED TO ONLY
PREACH God's GOSPEL , PERIOD !!
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And Crispus the ruler of. the synagogue. believed in. the LORD. with his whole house and many Corinthans
hearing. , were believeing and were being BAPTIZED. and do you see Greek word WATER // HYDOR , NOOOOO
And as for Gaius in ACTS 19:29. Gaius joins forces with Paul. and this the second time I have written it twice !!
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Acts 8
The believers in Samaria had been baptised, but did not receive the Holy Spirit until Peter and John laid hands on them. No water was mentioned, but their baptism was clearly not the baptism of the Holy Spirit, therefore it was a water baptism.
Philip preached the Gospel to the eunuch and on believing, he immediately requested to be baptised in water. Why would he ask such a thing if it was not part of the Gospel Philip had just taught. Nor does Philip correct him which no doubt he would have if his request was not a requirement of becoming a Christian.
But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Even Simon himself believed, and after being baptized he continued with Philip. And seeing signs and great miracles performed, he was amazed.
Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samar′ia had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John, who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit; for it had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit.
The believers in Samaria had been baptised, but did not receive the Holy Spirit until Peter and John laid hands on them. No water was mentioned, but their baptism was clearly not the baptism of the Holy Spirit, therefore it was a water baptism.
And behold, an Ethiopian, a eunuch, a minister of the Can′dace, queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of all her treasure, had come to Jerusalem to worship and was returning; seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah. And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.” So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” And he said, “How can I, unless some one guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. Now the passage of the scripture which he was reading was this:
“As a sheep led to the slaughter
or a lamb before its shearer is dumb,
so he opens not his mouth.
In his humiliation justice was denied him.
Who can describe his generation?
For his life is taken up from the earth.”
And the eunuch said to Philip, “About whom, pray, does the prophet say this, about himself or about some one else?” Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this scripture he told him the good news of Jesus. And as they went along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What is to prevent my being baptized?” And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught up Philip; and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing.
Philip preached the Gospel to the eunuch and on believing, he immediately requested to be baptised in water. Why would he ask such a thing if it was not part of the Gospel Philip had just taught. Nor does Philip correct him which no doubt he would have if his request was not a requirement of becoming a Christian.
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