Who owns the Holy Land?

keras · Jun 14, 2026

Cleanse Your Holy Land and give strength to Your People:

Psalms 68:1-35 Let the Lord arise, let His enemies be scattered. Let those who hate Him be gone! Let the Lord’s enemies perish in His fiery judgement 1, like wax before a fire and as smoke is dispersed.

Lord: summon Your strength, use it now as You did for Your people long ago. Rebuke those wild beasts, those proud and arrogant sinners; all those who love violence and war 2. All power and strength belongs to the Lord, enthroned on high. Cleanse now Your holy Land and give strength to Your people, we pray.

The Lord says: I shall bring My enemies together into the place of slaughter, from wherever they are. I will smite them there, their blood will flow out so that you can bathe your feet in it and your dogs will lick it up. Psalms 63, Micah 4:11-12

When the Lord speaks out in mighty thunder 1, kings and their armies will flee in terror. When the Almighty scatters those evil peoples and clears the holy Land, snow will fall on Mt Zalman 3.

We sing the praises of our Saviour and Redeemer. He who rides on the clouds, He is our Father and the defender of His righteous people, but those who refuse to acknowledge Him will remain in the desert 4.

When the Lord saves His people, there will be thousands of vehicles for them 5, as He leads them to safety through the barren desert. The earth will tremble and rain will pour down to replenish the holy Land 6. There Your people will settle, for in Your goodness Lord, You provide for the poor and needy.

The procession of all Israel comes into view; into the Holy city. First the singers, then the musicians. The little tribe of Benjamin will lead, with Judah, Zebulon and Naphtali following, marching on their way the Zion’s holy mountain: on to the Temple in Jerusalem. Kings will bring gifts and envoys will come from far off nations to honour and praise Israel’s God. His Majesty and blessing is over the holy Land , the Lord enthroned in heaven will give strength to His people 7. Praise be to God!
Ref: REB, CJB. Psalm 68; in a chronological order.

1/The Lord’s judgement by fire; an earth directed CME explosion of the sun: Isaiah 30:25-28, Malachi 4:1, Isaiah 66:15-16, Revelation 6:12-17, 2 Peter 3:10
2/ The Islamic peoples who love war and death: Ezekiel 35:5-6, Proverbs 1:16

3/ Mt Zalman – near Shechem. [Nablus] This detail informs us that the Day of the Lord’s wrath will happen during a Northern winter. Judges 9:48, Matthew 24:20

4/ Then all of the Lord’s people are gathered, all of the faithful Christian peoples from every tribe of Israel and from every race, nation and language, are then ‘passed under the rod of judgement’. Ezekiel 20:35-38…’those who revolt and rebel will not enter the Land’. Deuteronomy 32:36, Isaiah 35:1-10

5/ The Lord will provide transport! Isaiah 66:20, Psalms 107:1-32, Isaiah 60:1-9

6/ All of the holy Land will be regenerated and become fertile: Ezekiel 36:8-11, Isaiah 35:1-2, Isaiah 66:12, Joel 2:21-26, Amos 9:13-15

7/ Strength and comfort to His people: Isaiah 40:29-31, Jer. 31:21-26, Zech. 10:12

Note: that the Lord remains ‘enthroned in heaven’. The glorious Return comes later. The Lord's true Christian people, from every tribe, [of Israel] every nation, [of the world] every language, [ethnic group] will gather in Jerusalem. Revelation 7:9.

WE will build the Temple, Zechariah 6:15.

WE will elect leaders, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11.

WE will greet Jesus after all that is prophesied takes place, with the shout: Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord!

keras · Jun 16, 2026

Isaiah 32:1-8 A ruler and his ministers will reign in righteousness and justice, they will be as a refuge from a storm, like shade from a great rock in a thirsty land. Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11
Then, those who see, will see clearly and the minds of the heedless people will come to understanding and knowledge. Isaiah 29:9-11 & 17-21.

No longer will the fool be called noble or villains be considered honourable All those types will be shown for what they are. Their plans are evil and they deny justice to the poor and needy. Ezekiel 20:35-44.
But, he who is of noble mind, will make good plans and stand firm in them.
These verses describe how the Lord’s Christian people will live in justice and in the knowledge of truth, when they settle into all of the holy Land. Jeremiah 31:27-34

Isaiah 32:9-14 You complacent people; listen to what I have to say: you may be carefree now, in a little more than a year, your crops will fail. Be terrified, you without a care, you women at ease will go into mourning – for My people’s Land will be forsaken and deserted, an open pasture for the animals. Psalm 60:1-5
The coming judgement on the Land: the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, which will leave the entire Middle East forsaken and deserted. Joel 1:19-20, Jeremiah 30:23-24

Isaiah 32:15-17 Until a Spirit from on high is lavished upon us. Joel 2:22-29, Ezekiel 39:29.
Then the wilderness will become a garden land, everywhere, fertile fields. Justice and righteousness will fill the Land, peace and quiet trust will prevail forever.
His people, every righteous born again Christian, the Israelites of God, gathered and living in peace and prosperity, soon after all the holy Land, from the Nile to the Euphrates, is cleared and cleansed. The Spirit of God is sent onto them, for them to prepare themselves and the world for the Return of Jesus. Jeremiah 33:10-14]

Isaiah 32:18-20 Then My people will live in a tranquil country, dwelling undisturbed peace and security. It will be cool on the slopes of the forested hills, and the towns will lie peacefully in the plains. Happy will you be tilling and sowing everywhere beside water, your herds and flocks grazing freely. Isaiah 49:9-13, Hosea 2:14-23. Ezekiel 36:33-36, Amos 9:13-15.
Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged.

This chapter 32 of Isaiah, describes beautifully, how the holy Land is cleared in order for His faithful Christian people to live there, as promised to the Patriarchs, and for them to be a light to the nations. They will rebuild the Temple and send out 144,000 missionaries to preach the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Revelation 7:1-9

Note; in verse 19 – the REB says:... the towns will lie peaceful in the plains.

The NIV says:...the city is levelled completely.

The KJV says:....the city shall be low, in a low place.

This is a glaring example of translation differences. The KJV translates literally, without conveying the intended meaning. The NIV gets it totally wrong, but the REB puts it correctly and in the right context.

Proximus · Jun 23, 2026

keras said:
In ancient times, God appeared to Abraham and made a promise to him that his descendants would possess the holy Land, all that area

Why would the Lord and God of the Christian Church care about those things of flesh and blood? It was understandable at the time of the ancient representations, when there was no New Testament yet, but afterwards it is not quite Christian to worry about those earthly things. It is suprising that a part of the Christian world is still concerned about that land.

keras · Jun 23, 2026

Proximus said:
Why would the Lord and God of the Christian Church care about those things of flesh and blood? It was understandable at the time of the ancient representations, when there was no New Testament yet, but afterwards it is not quite Christian to worry about those earthly things. It is suprising that a part of the Christian world is still concerned about that land.

'not quite Christian'? You display a sad lack of understanding Gods Plans and Purposes. Physical people on a physical earth. Only after the Millennium, does anyone receive immortality and live in the Spiritual, Eternal heaven.

Our Hope and our Destiny:
The Prophetic Word tells us how the Lord will save and protect His people during His terrible Day of wrath, the soon to happen Sixth Seal punishment of the ungodly peoples and the reset of our civilization.
Then those who kept strong in their faith will be gathered and will migrate into all of the holy Land. Psalms 107, Ezekiel 34:11-16 and Isaiah 66:18b-21, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-26, are some of the best prophesies about this.

We Christians are the Lord's people, His chosen; John 15:18, 1 Peter 2:8-10, and we are the people; the nation, who bear the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43.
We will, in the holy Land be His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Acts 13:47, Ezekiel 39:27
Basically there is no need for anyone, other than the 2 Witnesses to go to heaven, Revelation 11:12, and they do not stay there, as Jesus Returns just then and they are resurrected along with all the rest of the GT martyrs. Revelation 20:4

The whole idea of a rapture removal of Christians to heaven, is not part of God's plan for His people and is never stated to happen in the Bible.
We are made to live on earth, God has angels in heaven.
Therefore, a body change is not necessary or logical, before the final wrap up after the Millennium and only then will all those whose names are written in the Book of Life, receive immortality and be with God for Eternity, when God and therefore; heaven will be on the new earth. Revelation 21:1-4

Dan Perez · Jun 24, 2026

Maria Billingsley said:
ot really accurate but honestly you are so embedded in Dispensational Futurism it would be very difficult to explain why.

AND I say that there are CLASSICAL ACTS 2 DISPENSATIONA

# 2 And Acts 9 is where I am and I say that the BODY of Christ began. with Paul

# 3 AND SOME are say the BODY of Christ began at ACTS 11 !!

# 4 And some say that the BODY OF CHRIST BEGAN. at Acts 13. !!

# 5 And sone are HYPER DISPENSAIONAL

# 6 And some are Acts 28 ULTRA DISPENSATIONALIST. and begin. the Body of ChriST at ACTYS 28

And what amuses me is that that do not unstained what dispensationalist means are DISPENSATIONALIST

and just do not know IT !! And I am not anger with anyone !!

dan p

Aussie52 · Jun 26, 2026

The Land promises in the Abrahamic covenant were fulfilled in Jesus, the true Israel. Gal 3.

keras · Jun 26, 2026

Aussie52 said:
The Land promises in the Abrahamic covenant were fulfilled in Jesus, the true Israel. Gal 3.

We Christian peoples are the true Israelites of God grafted into the Olive treee, that is Jesus.

Our heritage; the promises of God:
Ephesians 1:11-14 In Christ we have been given our share in the heritage, as was decreed in His design …for it was God’s will that we, who were the first to set our hope on Jesus and to praise His glory.
And, in Christ, you Christians also, once you believed and received the Holy Spirit, the promise of the inheritance that will be ours, when God has redeemed all of His own, to His glory and praise.

Ephesians 3:6 Through the Gospel, the Gentiles are joint heirs with the Jews, part of the same body, sharers together in the promises made through Jesus.
Romans 8:16-17 The Spirit of God affirms that we are His children and if children, then also the heirs of God and fellow heirs with Jesus, but we must share His suffering if we are to share His glory.
Romans 8:19 The Created universe is waiting with eager expectation for God’s sons to be revealed.

Our greatest hope as born again Christians, is the promise of eternal life. John 3:16,Titus 3:5-7, +

But we also inherit the Land promises, Psalms 37:29, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Ezekiel 34:11-31 It is we Christians, from every tribe, race, nation and language, that are the vast multitude seen waving palm branches in Jerusalem. Revelation 7:9

Faithful Christians are the ones who have passed thru the great ordeal of the Sixth Seal disaster and have earned the white garments by standing firm in our faith. Revelation 7:14
Note: in Romans 8:19, that God’s true children are not yet made known, Jesus will come with His winnowing fork and sift the wheat from the chaff. Matthew 3:12

Those Christians who stood strong in their faith and trusted in His protection, when He comes in fire, Luke 12:49, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, are the wheat that will be gathered into the granary of the holy Land. The chaff of the ungodly peoples will be as ashes under their feet. Isaiah 66:17, Malachi 4:3, 2 Peter 3:7

keras · Jun 28, 2026

Zechariah 9:14-17 The Lord will appear over them [His faithful Christian people] He will protect them and they will prevail against their enemies. On that day, their God will save them, for they are His precious flock. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10
WE Christians are His precious flock. John 10:1-27

Joel 3:1-2 When that time comes, on that Day, when I reverse the fortunes of My people – I shall judge the nations, for they have scattered Israel, My own people and shared out My Land.

Isaiah 30:26-28 On the Day the Lord heals His people, the sun will shine with seven times its normal brightness [strength] and the moon will be as bright as the sun. Then the Lord will sieve the nations for destruction.

Isaiah 31:4-5 The Lord will come to Mount Zion, like a hovering bird, He will shield and protect Jerusalem, sparing and rescuing her.

Isaiah 25:9 On that Day the people will say: See, this is our God, we have waited for Him and He will deliver us. Let us rejoice and exult in His deliverance.

Ezekiel 28:24-25 No longer will the Israelites suffer the scorn of their neighbours. The Lord says: When I gather the Israelites from the peoples amongst whom they are dispersed, I shall show My Holiness in them for all the nations to see. They will live on their own soil, that I had given to My servant, Jacob.

The descendants of Jacob, ALL by their faith alone; Galatians 3:26-29 & 6:14-16
All those grafted onto the Olive Tree of Jesus. Romans 11:13-24

Jeremiah 33:6-8 Now I shall bring healing and care for Judah and Israel, they will see lasting peace and security. I shall cleanse them of all their sins that they committed in rebellion against Me.

Nahum 1:15 There on the mountains is the one who proclaims the good news. Fulfil your vows, Judah, never again will the wicked overrun you. They are totally destroyed.

Psalm 50:1-6 The Lord has spoken and summoned all of His people in the world for judgement. Gather to Me, My loyal servants, all who by sacrifice have made a covenant with Me.

Isaiah 65:9 I shall give descendants to Jacob [all Israel] and to Judah, heirs who will possess My Land. My chosen ones will inherit it and those who serve Me will live there. WE Christians are the chosen people of God. John 15:14-19
Ref: REB, NIV,KJV. Verses abridged

These verses say how the Lord will act “on the Day He saves His people”. This must all occur more than seven years before the Return of Jesus, before the rise of the AC. and the Great Tribulation.

Zechariah says: how both Judah: the Jews, and Israel: all the Christian peoples, will prevail over their enemies. They will be protected, for they are His “precious flock”.

Joel says: The Lord will judge the nations for their past actions against Israel.

Isaiah says: There will be a C.M.E. event. [Coronal Mass Ejection – from the sun] The Lord will protect Zion – like a hovering bird. His people will rejoice. Isaiah 32:15-20

Ezekiel says: The neighbours of Israel will be judged and punished. After that, His people, righteous Israel, will gather and settle in the Land. They will be a “light to the nations”.

Jeremiah says: Judah and Israel will be cleansed of their sins and will join together to live in peace and security in the Land.

Nahum says: The Lord will take vengeance on His enemies…His rage is poured out like fire.

Malachi says: Elijah will proclaim the good news. Keep faithful and the Lord will protect His people.

Isaiah says: My chosen people will inherit the Land.

Psalms 50: The Lord will gather His loyal servants. All those who believe in Him, keep the Commandments and have accepted the Atoning sacrifice of Jesus.
Paul says: Acts 26:6-7 This is the hope, based on the Promise made to our forefathers.... the 12 tribes, [all of the people of God] pray fervently to see that fulfilment.

keras · Jul 6, 2026

The great Second Exodus of God's people to the holy Land, is hard to believe for those who have other ideas about what they want God to do in the end times.
Not knowing just who God's people are today, thinking the Jews still are the 'chosen' people, is the great error of many.
WE Christians are the Israelites of God, His Victorious ones and the Promises of God to His Israelite Overcomers for Him, pertain to us. 2 Corinthians 1:20

The many prophesies that tell about the gathering of His people into all of the holy Land, soon after the Lord has cleared and cleansed that entire area, by His terrible day of fiery wrath; do mostly mention Israel or Israelites, which confuses people who wrongly think the Jewish State of Israel is the only Israel.
But prophesies like Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, do not mention Israel, they DO support the truth that every faithful Christian will live in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land during the end times. Also Romans 9:24-26 clearly states that Christians will be called the sons of the Living God, in the same place as ancient Israel was rejected. Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 5:9-10

Scriptural proofs that God’s holy people, the faithful Christians are living in the holy Land before Jesus Returns:

Revelation 13:7 He was allowed to wage war on Gods people and to defeat them....

As described in Zechariah 14:1-2 A day is coming that the Lord will gather armies to make war on Jerusalem and it will be conquered. Half of the people will leave and half must remain.
These two groups of the Christian peoples are shown again in Daniel 11:32 and Revelation 12:14 and 17

Daniel 7:25 ....the holy people will be delivered into his power for 3½ years. Referring to the Anti-Christ leader of the One World Govt.

Daniel 11:27 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 show that this must take place in the holy Land.

BelieveItOarKnot · Jul 7, 2026

David Lamb said:
Nothing there about Christians going to the Holy but nothing about all the saints congregating in the Holy and.

Keras has very materialistic sights of end time.

There are better pictures available

Fixating on that speck of dust placed into the middle east is an applicable picture of everyone, in our current *state*

John told us where the anti-Christ attacks and advised us all to "look to yourselves"

We don't have to look at Israel to see the problems, but it is an interesting conveyance, personally applied

David Lamb · Jul 7, 2026

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Keras has very materialistic sights of end time.

There are better pictures available

Fixating on that speck of dust placed into the middle east is an applicable picture of everyone, in our current *state*

John told us where the anti-Christ attacks and advised us all to "look to yourselves"

We don't have to look at Israel to see the problems, but it is an interesting conveyance, personally applied

Thanks. Looking at what you quote, apparently from my post, it seemed a jumble of words. I thought I must have clicked "Post reply" before checking my post, but looking at that post again, it seems to make sense, which your quote doesn't. Not sure why my post became so jumbled when you quoted it.

keras · Jul 7, 2026

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Keras has very materialistic sights of end time.

Thats because we live in a physical world and the Prophesies tell of physical places and events.

Are Christians Jesus' sheep? John 10:11-16
Where will the Shepherd put us? Ezekiel 34:11-16

I suggest that those who think our destiny is Spiritual, are very premature; as that change does not happen until after the Millennium. Revelation 21 to 22

keras · Thursday at 3:51 AM

This time, I shall throw out everyone from the Land:-
Jeremiah 10:1-5 Listen, Israel: This is what the Lord says: Do not learn the ways of the nations or be worried by signs and portents. It is the other peoples who are terrified by them. For the gods’ of the nations are shams, just as dumb as scarecrows. Do not fear them, they can do no harm, nor can they do any good.

Jeremiah 10:6-9 Where can any other be found like You, Lord? You are great and mighty, fear of You is a fitting tribute for the King of the nations. One and all, the nations are stupid and foolish, making finely crafted idols and teaching nonsense from inanimate things.

Jeremiah 10:10-11 But the Lord is God in truth, a living God, the eternal King. The earth quakes and no nation can endure His fury. You can say- those false gods will perish.

Jeremiah 10:12-13 God made the heavens and the earth by His power, wisdom and knowledge. He controls the wind and rain.

Jeremiah 10:14-16 Everyone is brutish and ignorant. Those who make and promote idols are discredited and will perish when the Day of reckoning comes. Jacobs God is not like these, for He is the creator of the universe. Israel are the people He claims as His own. Y’hovah is His name.

Jeremiah 10:17-18 Gather up your belongings, to leave the Land you who live under siege. For this is what the Lord says: This time, I shall throw out the whole population of the Land, I shall press them and squeeze them dry.

Jeremiah 10:19-21 Oh! The pain of my afflictions, I am laid low and must endure it. My dwellings are destroyed and my people have gone away. Their leaders are senseless, they do not enquire of the Lord, so their flock is scattered.

Jeremiah 10:22 Listen; a rumour comes, a great uproar from the North – an army assembles to make Judah desolate.

Jeremiah 10:23-24 I am aware, Lord, that one’s ways are not of our own choosing, nor is it within our power to determine our course in life. Correct me, Lord, but with justice, not with anger, lest I be destroyed.

Jeremiah 10:25 Pour out Your fury on those nations that do not acknowledge You, for they have swallowed Jacob and desecrated his Land. Ref: REB,NIV. Some verses abridged.

V 1-5 Don’t be worried about earthquakes and storms, etc. They are natural events, we just hear about them more, due to better news reporting. We must avoid the idols of our time - materialism, atheism and false religions. Luke 21:34-36

V 14-16 On the Day of vengeance, the Lord will judge the idolaters and the wicked leaders. Isaiah 66:15-16, Deut. 32:31-43

V 17-21 ‘My people, get out, for this time the Land of Greater Israel will be cleared of all evil and apostate people’. The Land will be ‘laid low’, empty and desolate, it will soon be regenerated and then His Christian people, Jew and Gentile, will gather to live there in peace and security. Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Ezekiel 20:34-38

V 22 “An army assembles against Judah” Psalms 83 – an Ishmaelite confederation.

V 23-24 The Lord controls our destiny. We plead for His justice and mercy. Psalm 37:5

V 10 & 25 The Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath against His enemies. 2 Peter 3:7

BelieveItOarKnot · Thursday at 6:57 AM

keras said:
Thats because we live in a physical world and the Prophesies tell of physical places and events.

Thats merely the flesh man stories because he can't see or hear the unseen matters

keras said:
Are Christians Jesus' sheep? John 10:11-16
Where will the Shepherd put us? Ezekiel 34:11-16

All people have One Father, Matt. 23:9, no different than you

keras said:
I suggest that those who think our destiny is Spiritual, are very premature; as that change does not happen until after the Millennium. Revelation 21 to 22

Change happens, that's a certainty

It won't be your flesh man fantasies where all the believers are piled up on a miniscule dot of sand in the middle of a massive desert.

keras · Thursday at 4:52 PM

Ezekiel 36:1-38:
This is what the Lord says about the Land of Israel: Israel, the enemies have gloated over you and you were trampled down when you were occupied by other nations. I will speak to the Land, now plundered and despised by the surrounding nations.
In My burning zeal, I have spoken out against the rest of the nations, especially Edom, for with glee and malice they seized My Land as spoil. Therefore, because Israel has suffered the scorn of the nations, I swear that those nations will in turn suffer scorn.

But you, Land of Israel, bring forth your branches and yield your fruit for My people, [all true Christian believers], for their homecoming is near. See how I will look on you with favour, you will be fruitful. I shall settle on you many people - the whole 12 tribes of Israel, [plus those grafted in] the towns inhabited and the Land prosperous. My people, will live there again, never again to leave. No longer will they suffer the scorn of foreigners.

When ancient Israel was living in the Land, they defiled it by their idolatry. I sentenced them to exile around the world. But I have concern for My Holy Name, so you Israelites, it is not for your sake that I am acting – I shall show My Holiness through you and all the nations will know that I am the Lord.
I shall take you out of the world, gather you from every land and bring you back to your homeland. I will purify you of everything that defiles you. You will have a new heart and I will put My spirit within you and you will desire to only follow My Laws.

Then you will live in the Land that I had given to your forefathers. You will be My people and I will be your God. Having saved you from all that defiles you, I shall command the Land to be plentiful, trees will bear abundant fruit and the soil will produce heavy crops. Never again will you suffer famine. Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-31

You will recall your wicked conduct and evil deeds and will hate yourself for them. Feel the shame and disgrace of your old ways, people of Israel.

The Lord says: when I have cleansed you of all your wrongdoings, you will settle in the Land and the ruined places will be rebuilt. The Land will be ploughed and sown, no longer a devastation [after the Sixth Seal event] and rain will come in due season.
The nations still left around you will know that it is I, the Lord who has done this.

The Lord says; once again, I will let the Israelites pray to Me for help. They will become many, as flocks of sheep in the Land. As Jerusalem has flocks of sheep at festival time, so will the towns of Israel be filled with flocks of people. Then: they will know that I am their God.
Ref: REB some verses condensed.

The prophet Ezekiel, who was commissioned to prophesy specifically to the House of Israel: Ezekiel 2:3, wrote chapter 36, giving the story of how God will, in His burning zeal, clear the evil neighbours, Jeremiah 12:14, out of all the holy Land. Then, His people, the Christian Israelites, will gather and resettle in the Land. They will receive God’s Spirit and will live in the Land with great prosperity. This is in order for them to be a light to the nations and to prepare for the Return of Jesus.

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