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Why to believe in god

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I do not believe in a creator because of the bible, I could argue the inconsitencies in the bible and every other religion but that is just a waist of time. I believe because the Universe and the earth are far to complex to have come about by chance.

the universe holds mysteries that go beyond human reason and scientific understanding

So I believe in God or a creator because to not believe is just ignorant
 
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I do not believe in a creator because of the bible, I could arge the inconsitencies in the bible and every other religion but that is just a waist of time. I believe because the Universe and the earth are far to complex to have come about by chance.

the universe holds mysteries that go beyond human reason and scientific understanding

So I believe in God or a creator because to not believe is just ignorant
I do not believe in God because of the Bible. I believe in the Bible because of God. One cannot understand what is revealed in scripture unless God reveals it.
 
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So you don't believe Gods word in the bible is truth. The idea of God as creator is spoken about many times from the book of Genesis to Pauls letters and to Revelations.

Paul refers to God as creator when speaking to the Romans who worshipped their godds as idols of stone and wood. He said that God is the living God who created everything including the stone and wood they worshipped.

Do you not believe Paul ? Acts 14:15

“Friends, why are you doing this? We are merely human beings—just like you! We have come to bring you the Good News that you should turn from these worthless things and turn to the living God, who made heaven and earth, the sea, and everything in them.
Christ also referred to God as the creator. Do you not believe Christ ?.

Colossians 1:16: For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

What about John. Revelation 10:6

and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it, that there would be no more delay,

What about Jesus Matthew 19:4
“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female

I cannot see any inconsistency. We have a number of people all saying the same thing. None say God is not the creator. One being the Son of God who never lies. Isn't that enough ?
 
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Why to believe in god
Because God is personal. So, He wants us to personally share with Him and personally relate with Him.

God made humans in His image, and humans are personal beings who can personally relate and share. And mankind is a family being, in the image of God who is Father and Son and Holy Spirit > three family Persons . . . like father and child and mother. So, God wants family caring and sharing > with Him, the way He is able to have us discover how to love.

Without God sharing with us how He is loving, we can not genuinely love.

And so, a human needs to deny oneself, in order to be in sharing with God and in His family way of loving with other people who have trusted in Jesus. Part of getting into God's way of loving as family includes how we deny ourselves so we get out of our own ways of isolating only or mainly with others we hope to use for what we want >

"If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me." (in Luke 9:23)

So, there is this consistency of how - - - in order to be with God and share as His family . . . each of us has needed to deny one's own self, in order to get out of our own self's isolating and limited way of loving.

"For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46)
 
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I do not believe in a creator because of the bible, I could argue the inconsitencies in the bible and every other religion but that is just a waist of time. I believe because the Universe and the earth are far to complex to have come about by chance.

the universe holds mysteries that go beyond human reason and scientific understanding

So I believe in God or a creator because to not believe is just ignorant
I agree with your main point that the complexity and order of the universe point to an intelligent Creator rather than blind chance. Creation itself is a powerful witness that a Creator exists. However, I'm a little confused by your opening statement. When you say, "I could argue the inconsistencies in the Bible," it sounds as though you're saying the Bible actually contains contradictions. If that's not what you mean, you may want to reword it.

I would say that creation gives us good reason to believe that a Creator exists, but it doesn't tell us who that Creator is. The Bible does. One of the strongest reasons I believe the God of the Bible is the true God is because of the many Old Testament prophecies that were fulfilled in the life of Jesus.
I mean, imagine if I wrote a book, and, in this book, I wrote down over 300 predictions about future events, and every single one of them came true with perfect accuracy? You would recognise something extraordinary was happening, something divine. No human can predict the future with such precision.
Yet that’s exactly what we see in the Bible. The Old Testament was written hundreds of years before Jesus, and it contains over 300 prophecies that were fulfilled within His life. Things like, His birth in Bethlehem, how He entered Jerusalem on a donkey, His betrayal for 30 pieces of silver (that’s really accurate), that He would have nail-pierced hands and feet and most importantly, it foretells that He would die for the sins of the world. And that is only 5 out of the 300. No other book, not even the Quran, has this level of prophetic accuracy. No other book can tell the future like the Bible does.
The Bible stands alone as the divinely inspired Word of God. So, we need to take note of what it says.

So, while I agree that the universe points us to a Creator, I don't think we should separate that from the Bible. Creation tells us that God exists; Scripture tells us who He is.
 
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I do not believe in a creator because of the bible, I could argue the inconsitencies in the bible and every other religion but that is just a waist of time. I believe because the Universe and the earth are far to complex to have come about by chance.

the universe holds mysteries that go beyond human reason and scientific understanding

So I believe in God or a creator because to not believe is just ignorant
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Just believing in God does you absolutely no good in the end. Unless your belief in God leads you to eventually come to believe in Jesus for Eternal Life God's free gift No belief in Jesus for Eternal Life no life for you in the end, only the second death awaits the person with out the Life of God.
 
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I agree with your main point that the complexity and order of the universe point to an intelligent Creator rather than blind chance. Creation itself is a powerful witness that a Creator exists. However, I'm a little confused by your opening statement. When you say, "I could argue the inconsistencies in the Bible," it sounds as though you're saying the Bible actually contains contradictions. If that's not what you mean, you may want to reword it.

I would say that creation gives us good reason to believe that a Creator exists, but it doesn't tell us who that Creator is. The Bible does. One of the strongest reasons I believe the God of the Bible is the true God is because of the many Old Testament prophecies that were fulfilled in the life of Jesus.
I mean, imagine if I wrote a book, and, in this book, I wrote down over 300 predictions about future events, and every single one of them came true with perfect accuracy? You would recognise something extraordinary was happening, something divine. No human can predict the future with such precision.
Yet that’s exactly what we see in the Bible. The Old Testament was written hundreds of years before Jesus, and it contains over 300 prophecies that were fulfilled within His life. Things like, His birth in Bethlehem, how He entered Jerusalem on a donkey, His betrayal for 30 pieces of silver (that’s really accurate), that He would have nail-pierced hands and feet and most importantly, it foretells that He would die for the sins of the world. And that is only 5 out of the 300. No other book, not even the Quran, has this level of prophetic accuracy. No other book can tell the future like the Bible does.
The Bible stands alone as the divinely inspired Word of God. So, we need to take note of what it says.

So, while I agree that the universe points us to a Creator, I don't think we should separate that from the Bible. Creation tells us that God exists; Scripture tells us who He is.
I say inconsitencies because the bible the Bible is anthology of 66 distinct books written over thousands of years, Because it has been edited like at The First Council of Nicaea (325 AD) it decided what books would be allowd into the bible, and created the bible we read today, it is a book that has been translated into and out of 100s of languages and depending on the language one word or pharse can mean several different things. And I could indepth especially with the old testament but then someone here would complain and get me a ban which has already happened once. I believe in god...but I believe the bible was writen and edited by human beings and humans make mistakes. I look at much the biblical laws and many of them do not look like laws writen by god...they look like laws writen by humans that were passed of as gods laws. I would go deeper but I would get banned, and it does not matter that its true, it matters someone finds teh truth offence. Of course this is debate, but not really. Real debate would not ban you for posting truth. A friend got banned here, he was debating, and he use biblical scripture and someone got there drawer in a twist and he got banned.
 
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I do not believe in God because of the Bible. I believe in the Bible because of God. One cannot understand what is revealed in scripture unless God reveals it.
I say inconsitencies because the bible the Bible is anthology of 66 distinct books written over thousands of years, Because it has been edited like at The First Council of Nicaea (325 AD) it decided what books would be allowd into the bible, and created the bible we read today, it is a book that has been translated into and out of 100s of languages and depending on the language one word or pharse can mean several different things. And I could indepth especially with the old testament but then someone here would complain and get me a ban which has already happened once. I believe in god...but I believe the bible was writen and edited by human beings and humans make mistakes. I look at much the biblical laws and many of them do not look like laws writen by god...they look like laws writen by humans that were passed of as gods laws. I would go deeper but I would get banned, and it does not matter that its true, it matters someone finds teh truth offence. Of course this is debate, but not really. Real debate would not ban you for posting truth. A friend got banned here, he was debating, and he use biblical scripture and someone got there drawer in a twist and he got banned.
 
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I say inconsitencies because the bible the Bible is anthology of 66 distinct books written over thousands of years, Because it has been edited like at The First Council of Nicaea (325 AD) it decided what books would be allowd into the bible, and created the bible we read today, it is a book that has been translated into and out of 100s of languages and depending on the language one word or pharse can mean several different things. And I could indepth especially with the old testament but then someone here would complain and get me a ban which has already happened once. I believe in god...but I believe the bible was writen and edited by human beings and humans make mistakes. I look at much the biblical laws and many of them do not look like laws writen by god...they look like laws writen by humans that were passed of as gods laws. I would go deeper but I would get banned, and it does not matter that its true, it matters someone finds teh truth offence. Of course this is debate, but not really. Real debate would not ban you for posting truth. A friend got banned here, he was debating, and he use biblical scripture and someone got there drawer in a twist and he got banned.
Thanks for explaining your position.
I would just challenge one historical point. The Council of Nicaea didn't edit the Bible or decide which books would be in it. Its main purpose was to address the teaching of Arius about the nature of Christ. There are surviving records from the council, and they don't include debates about the biblical canon.
The books of the New Testament were already being widely recognized and read as Scripture long before AD 325. Later church councils listed the books that Christians had already accepted; they didn't invent the canon.

You're right that humans copied and translated the Bible, but that's different from saying the message has been changed. Because we have thousands of ancient manuscripts, scholars can compare them and identify copying mistakes. That's actually one of the strengths of the Bibl, we can check later copies against much earlier ones.

For me, one of the strongest reasons for trusting the Bible isn't simply that it claims to be God's Word. It's the remarkable fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. That gives me good reason to believe the Bible is more than just a collection of human writings, it is God's revelation.
 
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I say inconsitencies because the bible the Bible is anthology of 66 distinct books written over thousands of years
Not 66 books. This depends on what church one attended. The Catholic Church has 73 books and the Orthodox Church has 76 to 81. Protestants removed some of books to settle on 66.
Because it has been edited like at The First Council of Nicaea (325 AD) it decided what books would be allowd into the bible,
Well, it wasn't like that. Nicaea decided which books were written by the Apostles or their disciples. The Old Testament wasn't changed. They used the Septuagint which the Apostles used.

and created the bible we read today, it is a book that has been translated into and out of 100s of languages and depending on the language one word or pharse can mean several different things.
The Church used either the Greek or Latin translations until the 15th century.
. I believe in god...but I believe the bible was writen and edited by human beings and humans make mistakes. I look at much the biblical laws and many of them do not look like laws writen by god...they look like laws writen by humans that were passed of as gods laws.
I understand but it would help if you researched the writing of the Bible. the Dead Sea scrolls show that Scripture is pretty consistent.
I would go deeper but I would get banned, and it does not matter that its true, it matters someone finds teh truth offence. Of course this is debate, but not really. Real debate would not ban you for posting truth. A friend got banned here, he was debating, and he use biblical scripture and someone got there drawer in a twist and he got banned.
As I have said, you cannot understand Scripture without God revealing it to you. It would do you a lot of good, talking to God and asking for help. God is very loving and helps his children grow.

God bless
 
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I say inconsitencies because the bible the Bible is anthology of 66 distinct books written over thousands of years, Because it has been edited like at The First Council of Nicaea (325 AD) it decided what books would be allowd into the bible, and created the bible we read today, it is a book that has been translated into and out of 100s of languages and depending on the language one word or pharse can mean several different things. And I could indepth especially with the old testament but then someone here would complain and get me a ban which has already happened once. I believe in god...but I believe the bible was writen and edited by human beings and humans make mistakes. I look at much the biblical laws and many of them do not look like laws writen by god...they look like laws writen by humans that were passed of as gods laws. I would go deeper but I would get banned, and it does not matter that its true, it matters someone finds teh truth offence. Of course this is debate, but not really. Real debate would not ban you for posting truth. A friend got banned here, he was debating, and he use biblical scripture and someone got there drawer in a twist and he got banned.
Nicea had nothing to do with "editing" or selecting books of the Bible. The Catholic Church's prayer process of choosing the 73 books of the Bible, guided by the Holy Spirit, spanned centuries. The canon of 73 books was finally settled upon in the late 300s.
 
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