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In Galatians Paul makes it clear that the churches of Galatia were in imminent danger of adding Judaism to Christianity in such a way as to destroy the nature of Christianity itself. Nor was theirs the only age in which liability to do so has existed, and has had to be watched against.

The law is a testing of human nature, to reveal whether or not it can produce righteousness for God, and it must be is a perfect rule of righteousness for that nature in all it owes to God and to a man’s neighbor. So that it claims subjection, and that man should fulfill its requirements under penalty moreover of judgment. The authority of God, the subjection of man in his present state as a child of Adam are all involved in this legal system.

But man, conscious he ought to fulfill it, his own conscience telling him it is right, and not suspecting his own weakness and the depth of his ruin, and seeing that keeping it would be righteousness to him before God, readily takes it up as the way of having that righteousness, and enjoying divine favor, of being right when judgment comes. When awakened, observance of its outward claims satisfies the natural conscience; if understood spiritually, it leads to the discovery of that law of sin in our members which hinders all success in the endeavor and struggle.

But God having established the law, it was a very difficult and delicate thing to show that, as a system, it was passed away (Heb 8:7;10:9), not because it was not in its right place, and useful for its own intended purpose, but to make way for the principle of grace purposed and promised long before the law was established (Gal 3:17); and that by the discovery that it was death and condemnation to be under it, the mind of the flesh (the nature the law dealt with) was not subject to it, and could not be (Rom 8:7), and that we escape its curse as under it, not by the destruction of its authority, but by dying as so under it, and that by the body of Christ in Whom we then found ourselves in a new life beyond its condemnation.

The Cross makes all things clear. But the credit of the flesh (that is, of himself) is dear to the natural man, until he had discovered that in him (that is, in his flesh) there was no good thing, he was to give up a rule he knew to be right, in the humbling confession that he was such a sinner that it could be only his condemnation, the law of sin so strong in his members, himself so disposed to evil, that the law, weak through the flesh, could only condemn him.

Judaising teachers, proud of their own conceit, zealous of the law as the credit of their nation, could not bear to have a set aside as necessary for the way of righteousness and life with God; And the ministry which judged the flesh in Jew and gentile alike and freed the latter from all subjection to the Jewish system, was intolerable to them. Man always clings to the law, specially alleging God’s claims and holiness, till he experientially finds (in the discovery of the true character of the flesh) his true condition, that “as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse” (Gal 3:10).

—J N Darby






MJS excerpt

“Great will be the day when you come to realize that the sole reason for the existence of your Bible, your soul and your spirit is to glorify—and share—the Lord Jesus Christ.

“The moment we begin to rest our peace on anything in ourselves, we lose it. And this is why so many saints have not settled peace. Nothing can be lasting that is not built on God alone. How can you have settled peace? Only by having it in God’s way. By not resting on anything, even the Spirit’s work within, but on what the Lord Jesus has done entirely outside you. Then you will know peace—conscious unworthiness, but yet peace.

“In the Lord Jesus alone, God finds that in which He can rest concerning us, and so it is with His saints. The more you see the extent and nature of the evil that is within, as well as without, the more you will find that what the Lord Jesus is and did, is the only ground at all on which you can rest.

“Alas! The freedom which the Gospel brings may be used to take things easy, and, more or less, retain or gain in the world; but where this is the case, it is seldom a soul possesses any large measure of spiritual enjoyment, and it is never accompanied by solid peace. The soul becomes thus unsettled and uncertain. These oscillations may go on for a certain time, until God carries on the work more deeply in the heart.”
None But The Hungry Heart

-Unknown
 
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Please do not confuse the spiritual-moral law of the holy commandments, in which Paul, according to his words, enjoyed with his internal man, while his lusful external man hated that (not being yet in subordination to the internal), with the ceremonial law (such as circumcision, etc), which was replaced by the holy supper and baptism, and was no longer essential after the Lord's Coming and Glorification. This was not the case with the spiritual law of the commandments, which the Lord teaches constantly, for instance, with reference to how the eternal life is obtained.
 
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Please do not confuse the spiritual-moral law of the holy commandments, in which Paul, according to his words, enjoyed with his internal man, while his lusful external man hated that (not being yet in subordination to the internal), with the ceremonial law (such as circumcision, etc), which was replaced by the holy supper and baptism, and was no longer essential after the Lord's Coming and Glorification. This was not the case with the spiritual law of the commandments, which the Lord teaches constantly, for instance, with reference to how the eternal life is obtained.
Hi Prox, and I really appreciate your respect towards the Decalogue. Only Jews were under it, but are no longer. The Decalogue and the rest of the Law have been "taken away" (Heb 10:9). The Ten Commandments were for God's people to obey and manifest Him through them. It was for showing them the sin they were in and obedience brought into God's fellowship; but He judged disobedience.
 
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Hi Prox, and I really appreciate your respect towards the Decalogue. Only Jews were under it, but are no longer. The Decalogue and the rest of the Law have been "taken away" (Heb 10:9). The Ten Commandments were for God's people to obey and manifest Him through them. It was for showing them the sin they were in and obedience brought into God's fellowship; but He judged disobedience.
In this you are in the error. Because then the whole teaching of the Lord, of the epistles, and of the Revelation of John, where there is a teaching about following the commandments, which lead to life eternal, about the judgment of God with regard to the works, thus life according to the commandments, without which the faith is not living but the demonic faith (according to James).
The error happens when the words of Paul about faith saving with thout the works of the law are taken out of context. The context in that and in other places, treats of the cerenomial law of the Judaic Church, particularly, circumcision, which were all taken as the distinguishing criterion between the Jews and the Gentiles. And the point of Paul was to indicate that this is not longer the case.
The essence behind it that the ceremonial rites were the representatives of the Lord's Human, which was glorified, and in it the Lord opened up the way to more interior following of the law. That is, not only not to commit adultery, but also to shun the lusts. Not only not to kill, but also not to hate, even to love the enemies. Thus, He was telling that He came not to destroy, but to fulfill, which also means to give the deeper meaning, deeper way of fulfillment, which was then possible out of His Divine Human, or God which came in the Body, and was glorified in the Body, having made the whole Human, including the Body Divine, having put off the limited human of Mary. Thus, He, being fully Divine within, became fully Divine Man as well.
So, with regard to the law of the faith, which is one with the law of the spiritual-moral commandments (because love and wisdom, faith and charity, good and truth cannot be separated), Paul speaks differently, when he speaks about the ceremonial law, and when he speaks about the law of living faith, not demonic. For if one, according to some idea, which is not sane, deprives the faith from its partner, charity, thus that law, in which Paul, as he says enjoys with his spiritual-moral man (he certainly does not then speak of sacrificies or circumcision), then the faith is that of demons, and the whole christian church would then become antichristian, thus thinking that it can be saved apart from shunning hatred, cruelities, adulteries, etc.
In that regard you can now look ot Heb 10-9 in its true context, which is even more clear to to Heb 10 8, which speaks about that ceremonial law

“Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law),

So, you can see the teaching from the Lord.

18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?.20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

And then consider what is more reasonable and faithful: to follow the Lord's words, and to annule them by a tradition of taking one or two passages of Paul outside of their context?
 
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In this you are in the error. Because then the whole teaching of the Lord, of the epistles, and of the Revelation of John, where there is a teaching about following the commandments, which lead to life eternal,
You hear are referring to the Decalogue, which only the Lord Jesus could keep, because it required One with no sin to keep the Law, which was Christ.

John Gill:
Mat 19:17 - "Keep the commandments"; that is, perfectly: he must do not only one good thing, but all the good things the law requires; he must not be deficient in any single action, in anyone work of the law, either as to matter, or manner of performance; everything must be done, and that just as the Lord in his law has commanded it.

"Our Lord answers according to the tenor of the covenant of works, under which this man was; and according to the law of God, which requires perfect obedience to it, as a righteousness, and a title to life; and in case of the least failure, curses and condemns to everlasting death; see Deuteronomy 6:25.

"This Christ said, in order to show, that it is impossible to enter into, or obtain eternal life by the works of the law, since no man can perfectly keep it; and to unhinge this man from off the legal foundation on which he was, that he might drop all his dependencies on doing good things, and come to him for righteousness and life."

God made the Law so man would be required to believe in Christ, so "the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us" by Christ.
 
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You hear are referring to the Decalogue, which only the Lord Jesus could keep, because it required One with no sin to keep the Law, which was Christ.
The Lord God Jesus Christ when He commands to keep the commandments to inherit the life eternal, in the Gospel, should not be presented by any tradition as a merely natural man, who is not knowing what He is commanding. For how would the Lord command what a man cannot do? That would be insanity.
At the same time, it is true that without the Lord it it impossible to do, thus the Lord says: "without me you cannot do anything". Thus, a trust is needed, not only some historical knowledge that the Lord suffered for us, but the actual recognition of Him as being God of Heaven and Earth, for without that one would not have faith to keep commandments.
However, it is not enough. Thus, when a man responded to the Lord that he kept commandments, the Lord also added that he needs to follow Him by taking up his cross daily. Without that, one would indeed not able to be purified in the evils.
So, when a man looks to the Lord and shun evils as sins, then he does it from the Lord, and essentially it is the Lord then doing it in him.

"This Christ said, in order to show, that it is impossible to enter into, or obtain eternal life by the works of the law, since no man can perfectly keep it; and to unhinge this man from off the legal foundation on which he was, that he might drop all his dependencies on doing good things, and come to him for righteousness and life."
"522. That all evil, unless removed, remains in man, and that man cannot be saved if he remains in his evils, follows of itself. That no evil can be removed except by the Lord, and except in those who believe in Him and love the neighbor, can be clearly seen from what has already been said, especially from the following in the chapter on Faith.
The Lord, charity, and faith make one, like life, will, and understanding, and if they are divided, each perishes like a pearl reduced to powder.
And from this:
The Lord is charity and faith in man, and man is charity and faith in the Lord.
But it is asked, How can man enter into this union? The reply is, that he cannot, unless to some extent he removes his evils by repentance. It is said that man must remove them, because this is not done by the Lord directly, apart from man's co-operation; which is also fully shown in that same chapter, and in that following on Freedom of Choice.

523. It is asserted that no man can fulfil the law, and the less so, since he who trespasses against one commandment of the Decalogue trespasses against all. But the meaning of this assertion is different from its sound, for it is to be understood thus, that he who purposely or deliberately acts contrary to one commandment, acts contrary to the rest, since to so act from purpose and deliberation is to deny utterly that it is sin, and when it is said to be sin, to reject the statement as of no account; and he who so denies and rejects the idea of sin gives no thought to anything that is called sin. Those who are unwilling to hear anything about repentance come into this fixed attitude of mind; but on the other hand, those who by repentance have removed some evils that are sins, come into a settled purpose to believe in the Lord and love the neighbor. Such are kept by the Lord in the purpose to refrain from other evils; and if therefore from ignorance or some over-powerful lust, they are led to commit sin, it is not imputed to them, because they did not commit it deliberately, and do not confirm it in themselves.
This may be confirmed by the following facts: In the spiritual world I have met with many who in the natural world had lived like others, dressing finely, feasting delicately, making money by trading like others, attending theaters, joking about lovers as if from licentiousness, and doing other like things; and yet the angels charged these things upon some as evils of sin, and not upon others, declaring the latter innocent, but the former guilty. Being asked the reason of this, since all had done the same things, they replied, that all are viewed by them from their purpose, intention, and end, and are distinguished accordingly; and therefore they excuse or condemn those whom the end excuses or condemns, since good is the end of all in heaven, and evil the end of all in hell.

524. But these statements shall be illustrated by comparisons: The sins an impenitent man holds fast to may be compared to various diseases in him, from which, he dies unless remedies are applied and the malignities thereby removed. They may be compared especially to the disease called gangrene, which unless healed in time, spreads, and causes inevitable death; in like manner to boils and abscesses, unless they break out or are opened; for from them empyemata or collections of pus will be diffused into the neighboring parts, from these into adjoining viscera, and finally into the heart, from which comes death.
[2] These sins may also be compared to tigers, leopards, lions, wolves, and foxes, which unless kept in dens or bound with chains or ropes, would attack the flocks and herds and kill them as the fox does poultry; also to poisonous serpents, which unless held tight with sticks, or deprived of their teeth, would inflict deadly wounds upon man. A whole flock, if left in fields where there are poisonous herbs, instead of being led by the shepherd to safe pastures; would perish. So the silk-worm would perish, and all silk with it, unless other worms were kept from the leaves of its tree.
[3] These sins may also be compared to grain in granaries or barns, which would be rendered musty and rotten and thus useless, if the air were not permitted to pass freely through it, and remove whatever is injurious. If a fire were not quenched at the very outset, it might lay waste a whole city or forest. Thorns, briars, and thistles would take full possession of a garden unless rooted out. Gardeners know that a tree sprung from a bad seed and root conveys its bad sap to the branch of a good tree budded or engrafted upon it, and that the bad sap which comes up is turned into good sap, and produces useful fruit. And the like takes place in man through the removal of evil by means of repentance; for man is thereby engrafted into the Lord as a branch into a vine, and bears good fruit (John 15:4-6).

525. V. RECOGNITION OF SIN AND THE DISCOVERY OF SOME SIN IN ONESELF, IS THE BEGINNING OF REPENTANCE.
No man in the Christian world can be without recognition of sin, for everyone is taught from infancy what evil is, and from childhood what the evil of sin is. All youths learn this from parents and teachers, also from the Decalogue (which is the primary instruction given to all within Christendom), also, in their subsequent progress, from preaching at church and instruction at home, and in fullness from the Word; and furthermore from the civil laws of justice, which teach the same things as are taught in the Decalogue and other parts of the Word. For the evil of sin is no other than evil against the neighbor, and evil against the neighbor is also evil against God, which is sin. But recognition of sin effects nothing until a man examines the actions of his life, and sees whether he has secretly or openly done any such thing. Until then, there is nothing but knowledge, and what the preacher then says is a mere sound going in at the left ear and out at the right, and finally it becomes a mere matter of thought and something devout in the breathing, and with many merely imaginative and chimerical. But it is wholly different if man, according to what he recognizes as sin, examines himself, discovers something in himself, says to himself, "This evil is a sin," and from fear of eternal punishment abstains from it. Then what has been said in churches in the way of instruction and devotion is first received by both ears, is communicated to the heart, and from a pagan the man becomes a Christian. (from the book True Christian Religion by Em. Swedenborg)
 
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The Lord God Jesus Christ when He commands to keep the commandments to inherit the life eternal, in the Gospel, should not be presented by any tradition as a merely natural man, who is not knowing what He is commanding. For how would the Lord command what a man cannot do? That would be insanity.
Not sure what you're trying to say! God bless!
 
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Not sure what you're trying to say! God bless!
18 A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

19 Jesus answered. ... You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.

21 “All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said.

22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”


If the Lord is presented not as the Son of God who commands to follow the Ten Commandments, but as one who would be saying: you only need to believe in Me, and no matter whether you follow the commandments leading to the life eternal or not, then is it not picturing the Lord as some kind of a person who is not knowing what He is saying? What would be the quality of such religion, if men despise those commandments, despise the Lord's words, and institute the faith of demonns, preaching the faith of demons, which is supposed to save without those commandments, leading to life eternal. And all that insanity is based only on one or two phrases of Paul about the law, taken out of context?

What will then become of the christian church, but the den of thieves and abomination?
It is otherwise if both faith into the Lord is preached and charity, which involves shunning evils as sins according to the commandments, and the merit for both is ascribed to the Lord Alone. Without that the church can not be called christian, but demonic, for, according to James, faith without the works of charity, which involves following the commandments, is the faith of demons, not, evidently, true christians.
 
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18 A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

19 Jesus answered. ... You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.

21 “All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said.

22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”


If the Lord is presented not as the Son of God who commands to follow the Ten Commandments, but as one who would be saying: you only need to believe in Me, and no matter whether you follow the commandments leading to the life eternal or not, then is it not picturing the Lord as some kind of a person who is not knowing what He is saying?
The Lord Jesus was still teaching the Jew the Law until it was superseded by Grace after His resurrection. Jesus had to teach 3 different dispensations during His lifetime: Law, Grace, and the millennial Kingdom; the only dispensation that will be forever is Grace, and the new Law (Jerimiah 31:31-33; Ezekiel 36:24-27).
 
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The Lord Jesus was still teaching the Jew the Law until it was superseded by Grace after His resurrection. Jesus had to teach 3 different dispensations during His lifetime: Law, Grace, and the millennial Kingdom; the only dispensation that will be forever is Grace, and the new Law for the Jews (Jerimiah 31:31-33; Ezekiel 36:24-27).
 
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The basic commandments said by the Lord were the same as repeated by St. Paul. Compare the situation of the Lord with the rich young man in Matthew 19:16-30 and Romans 13:8-10 in light of Romans 13:1-14 for the big picture. These are the basics of living by faith within the framework of salvation by grace ( Ephesians 2:8-10).

While the Gospels & epistles should be read in entirety, there are chapters from scripture that sometimes dovetail and can be read together in different places for teaching purposes. An example of what I mean is reading a chapter like Colossians 1 for a more succinct explanation of salvation and faith. Romans 13 is for practical daily living by faith in the world. Galatians 5 shows us where justification by faith in living by the Spirit.

Knowing the salvation of the Lord ( like in John 3:16-21) shows us a framework where this all fits together.
 
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The basic commandments said by the Lord were the same as repeated by St. Paul.
We need the correct dispensation in order to grow in our faith. This is the dispensation of "Grace," and before Christ it was the dispensation of the Law for the Jews--God's eternal people! God did not deal with the Gentile until Christ came.
 
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The Lord Jesus was still teaching the Jew the Law until it was superseded by Grace after His resurrection. Jesus had to teach 3 different dispensations during His lifetime: Law, Grace, and the millennial Kingdom; the only dispensation that will be forever is Grace, and the new Law (Jerimiah 31:31-33; Ezekiel 36:24-27).
Why deny all the commandments that the Lord is teaching in the Gospel? Only to remain in one's tradition?
 
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Why deny all the commandments that the Lord is teaching in the Gospel? Only to remain in one's tradition?
The Lord Jesus was teaching the Jews the Law until His resurrection and ascension. God removed the Law from the Jews so they would move on to Christ's salvation. To live under the Law was to be "under the curse" (Gal 3:10). We should also realize Gentiles were never under the Law, only Jews, who now have no Law (Heb 7:19, 8:7, 8, 13).
 
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The Lord prepared the law and prophets for the Gentiles ( Matthew 7:12, per Matthew 7:1-12). He gave the great commandments on which the law & prophets ( Matthew 22:36-40).


During the Lord’s earthly ministry, He told the confused, rich young man the basic commandments ( Matthew 19:16-19, per the overall lesson of Matthew 19:16-30).

Before the Cross, the Lord proclaimed His salvation & how we should live our lives by it ( John 3:16-21). St. Paul confirms this in Ephesians 2:8-10). We now have the righteousness of God apart from the law but witnessed to by the law & prophets in which the law ( the Gospel completed) is established ( see Romans 3:21-31).

We now have a new way of life, laws of the flesh, like circumcision, are out but we live by faith guided by the commandments ( 1 Corinthians 7:17-19). St. Paul reiterates what the Lord told the rich young man & that love fulfills the law ( Romans 13:8-10). Our new way of life is explained much in Galatians 5:1-25). At the end of the very deep chapter of the resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15, St. Paul tells us ( see 1 Corinthians 15:58).

It is a life lived by faith.
 
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The Lord prepared the law and prophets for the Gentiles ( Matthew 7:12, per Matthew 7:1-12). He gave the great commandments on which the law & prophets ( Matthew 22:36-40)
Jesus didn't teach Gentiles but Jews only; and only on certain occasions a Gentile (Mat 15:24). It's the Christian Jews that taught Gentiles Christianity!
 
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Jesus didn't teach Gentiles but Jews only; and only on certain occasions a Gentile (Mat 15:24). It's the Christian Jews that taught Gentiles Christianity!
I believe it is according to what St. Paul says in Romans 1:1-7 which is in accord with what the Lord said in Matthew 24:14. It all reads together.
 
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