Do you eat pork?

ViaCrucis · Wednesday at 11:23 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
I personally would be cautious doing anything God deems an abomination to Him.

Uh oh. Isaiah 1:13-14

honey badger · Thursday at 4:02 AM

Aseyesee said:
Yup

me too , in east Europe everyone eats pork ... but nothing beats a marinated barbequed lamb leg chop ... and when done chewing you get to suck the marrow out the bone ... anyway how are you ... i just popped in to see if you had posted of late ...

to the pure all things are pure ...

HIM · Thursday at 4:18 AM

MarkRohfrietsch said:
You ever see tape worms, brain and liver flukes, warble fly and blow fly larvae in cattle; the same in sheep plus scrappies. BSE (mad cow) in cattle, sheep, deer. Deer ticks. Non of these seem to bother the poor old pig. I had delicious, home-made smoked pork garlic sausage on whole wheat bread with mustard and Sauerkraut. Oh man! A true blessing it is! If pork is so dangerous, why does the Bible say nothing about that danger? It was an obedience issue with His rebellious Jewish nation. Other nationalities that are "less" Christian and Jewish don't seem to die off; instead they wait to be evangalized.

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So you would open a bag of flour with meal worms and eat it knowingly .
The parasites don't disappear bud. And you are making a good case for vegatarianism.

MarkRohfrietsch said:
Judaizers.

Want my phone number? That way you can call me names directly.

It is against the rules here. Directly or indirectly.

honey badger · Thursday at 4:41 AM

SabbathBlessings said:
One way to reconcile Scripture is to look at the final result.

Jesus Second Coming/Judgment is the final result and this is what He says about eating unclean things.

Isa 65:4 Who sit among the graves,
And spend the night in the tombs;
Who eat swine’s flesh,
And the broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird!

Isa 66:16 For by fire and by His sword
The Lord will judge all flesh;
And the slain of the Lord shall be many.
17 “Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves,
To go to the gardens
[a]After an idol in the midst,
Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse,
Shall be consumed together,” says the Lord.

So all these verses we think say we can eat anything we want are clearly misunderstood according to thus saith the LORD.

An example is that Jesus made all foods clean as people quote in Mat 15 and Mark 7. Sadly this was added by many translators, not in the original but if we look at the context, Peter never took that is was about making foods clean, why he asked Jesus what He meant..

Mat 15:15 Then Peter answered and said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”

16 So Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”

And Jesus answered plainly and He plainly said it was not about food, food was only used as an illustration a parable about something else as He plainly explained.

Furthermore, if you look at Acts 10 when Peter received a vision, he never took what Jesus said was about food in Matthew because 30 years later he still never ate anything unclean.

Acts 10:14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”

Nor did Peter think this vision was about food....why he wondered what the vision meant

Acts 10:17 Now while Peter [g]wondered within himself what this vision which he had seen meant, behold, the men who had been sent from Cornelius had made inquiry for Simon’s house, and stood before the gate.

And was later told it had nothing to do with food

Acts 10:28 But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean

It started in the garden eating something God said not to. Why would anyone want to risk eating something God deemed an abomination when He gave us so many other clean options to eat. Why would anyone want to do anything God deems an abomination to Him.

Rev 21:22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine [l]in it, for the [m]glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations [n]of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor [o]into it. 25 Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26 And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into [p]it. 27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

clean and unclean relate to thoughts (perception ) and why we are judged by the words which come out of our mouth ...

'For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

HIM · Thursday at 5:16 AM

honey badger said:
clean and unclean relate to thoughts (perception ) and why we are judged by the words which come out of our mouth ...

'For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

Not in respect to animals and other things which are physically unclean. God made a list.

honey badger · Thursday at 5:28 AM

HIM said:
Not in respect to animals and other things which are physically unclean. God made a list.

Not what is entering into the mouth defiles the man; but what is proceeding out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”

HIM · Thursday at 5:36 AM

honey badger said:
Not what is entering into the mouth defiles the man; but what is proceeding out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”

Besides taking that verse out of context, what was said in response to your post has nothing to do with what that verse says.
It is a fact in respect to animals and other things which are physically unclean. God made a list.

If you do not think so go play with a corpse.,

Tuur · Thursday at 5:52 AM

BobRyan said:
The Trichina worm today can still get through because of eggs embedded in muscle tissue of pigs. But only a hand full of cases are reported each year in America.

from: Google Search

Yes, you can still get trichinosis (trichinellosis) from eating undercooked pork. However, the risk from commercially raised pork is extremely low. Most modern cases in the U.S. and other developed countries are linked to eating raw or undercooked wild game, such as wild boar or bear.

Health risks from eating pork primarily involve foodborne parasitic infections, risks from processed additives, and heart health concerns linked to high saturated fat and sodium content. [1, 2]
The primary health concerns associated with consuming pork include:

Parasitic Infections: Eating undercooked or raw pork can transmit dangerous parasites. This includes Trichinella roundworms (which cause trichinosis) and Taenia solium (pork tapeworm). Tapeworm larvae can migrate to the brain, occasionally leading to cysticercosis and adult-onset epilepsy. [1, 2, 3]

Viral & Bacterial Contamination: Pork products can harbor pathogens like Yersinia enterocolitica (causing yersiniosis) and Hepatitis E, which is particularly dangerous for vulnerable populations or those with weakened immune systems. [1, 2, 3]

Cardiovascular Risks: Many cuts of pork and processed pork products (like bacon, sausage, and ham) are high in saturated fats and sodium. Overconsumption can elevate LDL ("bad" cholesterol) and blood pressure, contributing to a higher risk of heart disease and stroke. [1, 2]

Cancer Concerns: Processed pork meats often contain chemical preservatives, such as nitrates and nitrites. Regular, heavy consumption of these processed meats is classified by health agencies as potentially increasing the risk of colorectal and stomach cancers. [1, 2, 3]

Antibiotic Use: Historically, swine production has faced scrutiny regarding the volume of antibiotics used, raising concerns about potential impacts on antibiotic resistance in humans. [1]

To mitigate these risks, public health experts advise handling raw pork safely, avoiding cross-contamination, and ensuring that pork is always thoroughly cooked to the recommended safe internal temperature.

Frankly. this looks like hunting an excuse not to eat pork when, if the idea is that the command of God to the Children of Israel not to eat pork also applies to gentiles, then that God commanded not to eat it should be sufficient enough.

Were I so inclined, I could likely find places close by that I could kill a wild hog. Scalding hogs to remove the hair is a ticklish procedure, so I'd likely skin it. That was done with stolen hogs during the American Civil War because it's quicker than scalding and scraping, and the term "peeled pork" was used for it. The wild hogs have never had an injection of antibiotic in their life, and contain no nitrates or elevated sodium. Trichinosis is more likely than with domestic hogs, and tapeworm is a more common risk than people think. Avoiding pork for fear of tapeworm and going to the freshwater sushi bar just shows a lack of understanding. Here there's more of a risk of pseudorabies and brucellosis in wild hogs than domestic. Really, you're more apt to contract a disease from wild hog than domestic raised pork.

Now, as it happens, I don't like pork. That comes from raising hogs. No gross-out stories involved; I just don't like it or the taste. But fair is fair: If I hunt deer, I have to worry about chronic wasting disease. If I catch fish, there's that tapeworm issue again. Rabbit fever is a real thing. There are reasons my family always cooked meat to "well done." There are problems any time food is incorrectly handled and/or processed. Picking on pork is, well, picking on pork, and we should be aware of potential problems with other food sources.

Bob Crowley · Thursday at 5:57 AM

Now, as it happens, I don't like pork. That comes from raising hogs.

Reminds me of comments by both Bishop Fulton Sheen and my late Presbyterian pastor.

They both grew up on farms, and neither liked chicken as they'd killed and processed too many of them in their younger years. But if someone offered them a chicken meal they would have eaten it. I suppose Tuur would have the same policy regarding pork.

The pastor told a few of us about a humorous incident. He was at some long ago parishioner's home for dinner.

They asked him if he'd ever prepared chicken for the table? He replied "Oh, probably a couple of thousand times!"

They heaved a sigh of relief, handed him an axe and said "Would you mind?"

Bob Crowley · Thursday at 6:00 AM

The same pastor was giving a homily once in church.

He said "If I'm asked for Sunday lunch by parishioners, I rarely accept".

He added "I usually find the main course is Roast Parson!"

SabbathBlessings · Thursday at 6:30 AM

ViaCrucis said:
Uh oh. Isaiah 1:13-14

If you took this that God does not want us to keep the Sabbath in this passage, one would also have to come to the conclusion God does not want us to pray. Isa 1:15 Why we should never isolate a word from all of its context.

Isa 56:1-2 Isa 56:6-7 Isa 58:13-14 Isa 66:22-23 God makes sure we don't misunderstand Isaiah 1 because its about the sabbaths in sacrifices and God does not want our sacrifices, our false worship our vain prayers if we rebel against Him or His commandments, that's what Isaiah 1 is about in context repeated in Isa 29:13 and what Jesus spoke of Mat15:3-14. That why the Bible says this

Pro 29:9 One who turns away his ear from hearing the law, Even his prayer is an abomination.

Yet daily people teach to do exactly this.

You really should read all of Isaiah its a very powerful book.

SabbathBlessings · Thursday at 6:37 AM

honey badger said:
clean and unclean relate to thoughts (perception ) and why we are judged by the words which come out of our mouth ...

'For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

Yes, so when people teach not to obey God, not to obey what God deems an abomination to Him, not to obey what is holy to God, not to obey God's commandments we will all be held accountable. Jesus spoke of this Mat5:19

No one will be condemned for sharing what God says how He will judge His people. Just like in Scripture people condemned the messenger instead of hearing the thus saith the LORD.

2 Chr 36: 15 And the LORD God of their fathers sent warnings to them by His messengers, rising up early and sending them, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place, but they continually mocked the messengers of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the LORD rose against His people, until there was no remedy.

I am sharing how God says He will judge us, we can choose to not believe Him, or change the path we are on because we love Him and abominations to God hurt God and ultimately those will refuse to believe His words

SabbathBlessings · Thursday at 6:46 AM

honey badger said:
Not what is entering into the mouth defiles the man; but what is proceeding out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”

You should continue reading the rest of this passage, where Peter asked Jesus to explain the parable because he didn't think it was about food. Jesus did explain what He meant, its strange the entire point of this passage was left out. Peter who asked the question never took it about Jesus making all foods clean, considering he is the one who asked Jesus the question and still never ate unclean foods decades later Acts 10:14 so Peter didn't take it that way and Jesus certainly never explained it that way. Once God deems something an abomination, it stays that way until the end. Those are strong words from our Creator.

honey badger · Thursday at 7:16 AM

HIM said:
Besides taking that verse out of context, what was said in response to your post has nothing to do with what that verse says.
It is a fact in respect to animals and other things which are physically unclean. God made a list.

If you do not think so go play with a corpse.,

in regard to a house at peace\rest as in no longer condemned\under by\the the law of men

Stay at the same house, eating and drinking whatever you are offered.
If you enter a town and they welcome you, eat whatever is set before you.

i am marinating some pork steaks at present and they have as much chance of defiling me as a Fugu fish served on raw kidney beans with a side of wild mushrooms ; albeit the latter prob make me rather ill ...

SabbathBlessings · Thursday at 7:17 AM

honey badger said:
in regard to a house at peace\rest as in no longer condemned\under by\the the law of men

Stay at the same house, eating and drinking whatever you are offered.
If you enter a town and they welcome you, eat whatever is set before you.

i am marinating some pork steaks at present and they have as much chance of defiling me as a Fugu fish served on raw kidney beans with a side of wild mushrooms ; albeit the latter prob make me rather ill ...

They never took eating something God deemed an abomination as food. It was something not even offered so wouldn't be a concern. This is about being hospital at someone house. I am a super picky eater so its about being gracious even if one doesn't like it not that we can drink poison, eat rats, cats and skunks.

At the end of the day the apotles always taught to obey God over man. Acts 5:29

SabbathBlessings · Thursday at 7:23 AM

(staff edit of a quote)

I know, its sad. I don't think they understand how serious abominations are to God. We see this plainly in Revelation.

This is exactly what happened in Scripture, over and over, its the same cycle people don't realize it.

Bob Crowley · Thursday at 7:27 AM

Apparently having a pork steak is right up there with serial murders, destroying somebody's livelihood with a scam, kidnapping for ransom, ruining lives and families with fentanyl and torturing an innocent child.

I can't believe how legalistic some Christians are.

SabbathBlessings · Thursday at 7:32 AM

Yes, I guess according to some, God is legalistic. He gave Adam and Eve the ability to eat from all the trees in the garden but one. They choose to eat from that one and disobey God. God gave us an abundance of clean and healthy foods, but He is being legalistic about not eating the animals He said are an abomination to Him, because He knows what's best for us.

Guess we shall see how it all works out. It started from eating something God said not it, it appears from what God said, it ends that way among doing other things Isa 66:17 Ecc12:13-14 Ecc3:14 Mat5:19-30 John 12:48 James 2:11 Rev11:18-19

throughfierytrial · Thursday at 7:57 AM

Xeno.of.athens said:
Well, it wasn't an AI that wrote that. And isn't it those who insist that eating pork is fine who make an argument from silence? After all, the Old Testament is very far from silent about prohibiting pork.

But Acts says as you all have already discussed “do not call unclean what God has made clean”. That should be end of discussion but this thread lives on and that is puzzling.

Should we continue to make Gentiles foreigners and strangers to God? Of course not. Same principles apply here regarding eating what the OT LAW declared unclean meat. Christ’s work of redemption and justification has been finished. He declared our new freedom to Peter in Acts as was already pointed out. Why do people quibble with clear Scripture?

Someone pointed to Revelation’s mention of unclean birds. The term unclean there is referring to an unfitness for heaven. Only unclean birds eat the flesh of the unclean/unbelievers. God makes all animals accountable to Him. See Genesis 9 for my point here.

Christ's Bride · Thursday at 7:58 AM

SabbathBlessings said:
I know, its sad. I don't think they understand how serious abominations are to God. We see this plainly in Revelation.

This is exactly what happened in Scripture, over and over, its the same cycle people don't realize it.

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are you aware of MESSIAH 2030? its on line, and there are 3 presentations and one more coming,
To my mind, nothing that takes place, does so unless it is allowed and in accord with THE purpose and Plan of God.
I do not believe this is a church
They are Torah followers --- they have much correct -- but not all things.
this, I believe, 'may' shake the 45,000 to their core, it is very powerful.
Are they correct on the date?? we will know by the first quarter of 2027
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