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The sixth seal is at the end of the 7 year
The Sixth Seal is clearly stated to be the Lords Day of wrath. Rev 6:17 A worldwide disaster.
The glorious Return is not in vengeance and wrath. Jesus only destroys the attacking armies at Armageddon.

The Sixth Seal is not part of the Great Tribulation, neither just before or, at the end of it.
This truth is what the scripture says, not what people would like it to say.
 
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It's easy for you to call me a hypocrite and say that I'm wrong about end-time events without looking at my hermeneutics. So, here is where you can find them. I've read the articles on your website to understand where you're coming from, so I'm giving you the opportunity to view the articles on my blog to do the same.
Thanks. I have read your Chronology summary and some other articles.
The one thing you and most others miss out on, is the terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath; the next Prophesied event that will change the world. A disaster of a similar magnitude as in the days of Noah.... Matthew 24:37-44. The Lord will not be seen on that Day; Psalms 18:11, Habakkuk 3:4
Prophesies like Zephaniah 1:14-18 & 3:8, plainly state the effects of that Day. They and Deuteronomy 32:34-43, +, tell how the entire Holy Land will be cleansed and depopulated. This means no Jews. Isaiah 29:1-4, or Muslims there- Malachi 4:1 & 3, Psalms 83, Isaiah 66:15-17, +

This truth gives us quite a different picture on what the end times will be like.
 
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The Sixth Seal is clearly stated to be the Lords Day of wrath. Rev 6:17 A worldwide disaster.
The glorious Return is not in vengeance and wrath. Jesus only destroys the attacking armies at Armageddon.
keras, calling Revelation 6:17 a worldwide disaster is not a correct description. Revelation 6:17 refers to the wrath of the Lamb (Jesus) will have in avenging the great tribulation martyrs' deaths. As they requested in the fifth seal.

Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
The Sixth Seal is not part of the Great Tribulation, neither just before or, at the end of it.
This truth is what the scripture says, not what people would like it to say.

In the sixth seal, in verse 16, is the appearing of sign of the Son of man in heaven that Jesus prophesied in Matthew 24:30a.


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This truth is what the scripture says, not what people would like it to say.
keras, that is exactly what you are doing in referring to Revelation 6:17 as a "worldwide disaster". You use that terminology to support your Solar flare event theory that in your theory depopulates the middle east, and leads to the replacement of the current nation Israel.
 
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There is a timeline of end-time events at the top of the article. If you're not able to view it, I'll post it here:

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I will have to reply to your second comment later, because I have a 12-hour day ahead of me tomorrow and don't have enough time to reply right now.
The 7 Seals are the 'beginning of birth pains', not the birth pains themselves which are the 3 woes. (We know that the 7th Trumpet is the 3rd woe because of Revelation 8:13 Then I looked, and I heard an eagle crying with a loud voice as it flew directly overhead, Woe, woe, woe to those who dwell on the earth, at the blasts of the other trumpets that the three angels are about to blow!”)

Matthew 24:4-

4 And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. 5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are but the beginning of the birth pains [‘odinon’].​

‘Birth pains’ here is the Greek word, ‘odinon’, G5604.

And in the following verse below, ‘woe’ is G3759 ‘ouai’, an expression of intense grief, that Jesus is putting in the context of pregnancy/ giving birth:

Matthew 24:19

And woe [‘ouai’] unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!​

In Revelation, the use of ‘woe’ there has the same Greek word ‘ouai’.

Revelation 8:13

And as I observed, I heard an eagle flying overhead, calling in a loud voice, “Woe! Woe! Woe to those who dwell on the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the remaining three angels!”​

The three woes of Revelation (the remaining 5th, 6th, and 7th Trumpets) are the ‘birth pangs’ that result in the ‘birth’ of the kingdom of heaven, just like in Isaiah 66:7

“Before she was in labor, she gave birth; before she was in pain, she delivered a boy. 8 Who has heard of such as this? Who has seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be delivered in an instant? Yet as soon as Zion was in labor, she gave birth to her children.

And so, here at the 3rd woe, the third ‘birth pain’, which is the 7th Trumpet, the ‘kingdom of heaven’ is ‘born’ in Revelation 11

14 The second woe has passed. Behold, the third woe is coming shortly. 15 Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.”​
This is why there is the Rev 12 'woman giving birth' sign in heaven. That sign in heaven corresponds to Matt 24:29-31's 'sign of the son of man in heaven' and 'immediately after the tribulation of those days'. What days are those? The 1290 days from the cutting off of the daily. Meaning the 'great tribulation of those days' is starting before the 7th Trumpet. Again, that 'sign of the son of man in heaven' (Matt 24:29) = Rev 12:1's sign of woman giving birth" = Isa 7 & 8's sign of Emmanuel.

As regarding the 1290/ 1335/ 2300 days:
The 1290 days begins with the daily being cut off (and the abomination). We know from Joel 1:4-9 that it is the locusts that are cutting off the daily. The locusts from Joel are the locusts from the 5th Trumpet.

Joel 1:4 What the devouring locust has left, the swarming locust has eaten; what the swarming locust has left, the young locust has eaten; and what the young locust has left, the destroying locust has eaten. ... 6 For a nation has invaded My land, powerful and without number; its teeth are the teeth of a lion, and its fangs are the fangs of a lioness. 7 It has laid waste My grapevine and splintered My fig tree. It has stripped off the bark and thrown it away; the branches have turned white. ... 9 Grain and drink offerings have been cut off from the house of the LORD; the priests are in mourning, those who minister before the LORD.

These locusts are the the invading army. This army is Luke 21:20's But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, you will know that her desolation is near.

This same army (the 'locusts') is what places the 'abomination of desolation'. See Dan 11:31's His forces will rise up and desecrate the temple fortress. They will abolish the daily sacrifice and set up the abomination of desolation.

Locusts represent invading armies. I have posted this a million times, but people just don't believe it, so here it is again: Judges 6:5 For the Midianites came with their livestock and their tents like a great swarm of locusts. They and their camels were innumerable, and they entered the land to ravage it. It is also in Deut 28 also. Same idea over and over.

The 'locusts' place the abomination of desolation at the start of the 6th Trumpet. Start 1290 days from this point. This means that Rev 9:13-21 lasts for 30 days (killing a third of mankind) + 1260 days of the 2 witnesses to give us 1290 days. The events of Rev 9:13-21 = the events of Dan 9:26. The 'people of the prince to come' in Dan 9:26 has literally nothing to do with 70 AD. The 'people of the prince to come' are the 'locusts' that 'destroy the city and sanctuary'. That is the 'great tribulation that Jesus is talking about in Matt 24:15 not Dan 9:27. After the 1290 days of great tribulation, we get 'immediately after the tribulation of those days will be the sign of the son of man in heaven' (Matt 24:29) (same as Rev 12's woman giving birth sign in heaven) (same as sign of Emmanuel in Isaiah 7 & 8).

After 30 days of Rev 9:13-21, then the Dan 9:27 covenant is confirmed. As soon as the covenant is confirmed, the 2 witnesses will be witnessing - it is the false messiah that is confirming the covenant. That is why you start the 1260 days there - not when the covenant is broken. Although it should be said, the 2 witnesses are in sackcloth because it is AFTER the tribulation of Dan 9:26's destruction of the sanctuary [but before the breaking of the Dan 9:27 covenant] see Joel 1:13.

The Revelation 10 mighty angel is the King of Tyre from Ezek 28 that is confirming the covenant. [Swearing an oath to heaven from Revelation 10:5 is how the covenant is confirmed as seen in Deut 8:18 and many other verses: But remember that it is the LORD your God who gives you the power to gain wealth, in order to confirm His covenant that He swore to your fathers even to this day.

Re: 2300 days
13Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long until the fulfillment of the vision of the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, and the surrender of the sanctuary and of the host to be trampled?”​
14He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be properly restored.”​

The Trumpets are describing these events in Dan 8:13-14: the locusts are the rebellion that causes desolation and cuts off the daily (Joel 1:4-9). The 'sanctuary and host' are trampled during the time of the 2 witnesses: Rev 11:2 but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.

Then it will take literally 70 weeks, 490 days to 'properly restore' the temple. That's: 150 days (Rev 9:5's 5 months of locusts that will result in the cutting off of the daily' (Joel 1:4-9)] + Rev 9:15's 'hour, day, month, year' (shortened to 30 days, Jesus said these days were shortened in Matt 24:22) + 1260 days of the sanctuary trampled by the gentiles during the 2 witnesses 1260 days + 3.5 days lying dead (Rev 11:9) + 490 days to 'finish the transgression' (Dan 9:24) = 2300 days.
 
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As regarding the 1290/ 1335/ 2300 days:
The 1290 days begins with the daily being cut off (and the abomination).
This is a common misunderstanding, based upon a poor translation of the verse. Yes, "The 1290 days begins with the daily being cut off." But the AD does not begin until those 1290 days are completed:

Standard translation of Daniel 12:11-12

Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily/continual service shall be taken away, and an abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be 1290 days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the 1335 days.

Literal translation of Daniel 12:11-12

And from the time the daily/continual service has been caused to be taken away and/even to the placing of an abomination of desolation: 1290 days. Blessed/happy is the one who earnestly waits, and comes/attains to 1335 days.

has been caused to be taken away”: Hophal Perfect 3ms of the verb סור [soor]. Hophal stems express causative action with a passive voice. Perfect tense means completed action (past, present, or future, here obviously being future).

and/even”: the Hebrew conjunction vav, ו. It usually is translated “and,” but also can mean “but, or, even, yet, when.”

to the”: ל This is the Hebrew preposition lamed, which means “to” or “for.” It has been omitted from the translations of nearly all versions of the Bible. Of the many versions I have consulted, it is found only in Youngʼs Literal Translation. Normally, this preposition would have a Shewa vowel pointing [ ְ ] underneath; but in this case it has a Qamats [ ָ ] underneath, which signifies that it includes within it the definite article “the,” the Hebrew letter ה . So this is to be read, “to the placing of an abomination of desolation…”

placing”: This is the correct translation of the Infinitive Construct of the verb root נתן [naw-than´], which means “to give, put, place.” An infinitive is a verbal noun, here being “placing.” The standard translation – “is set up” – distorts the meaning of the verb and the phrase.

The addition of the preposition “to” significantly alters the understanding of the text. The standard translation is rather ambiguous – at least, it has been to me – about the relationship of the 1290 days to the two acts: 1) the ending of the daily religious ritual, and 2) the placing of an abomination of desolation. But the inclusion of the simple preposition “to” indicates that the first act begins the 1290 days, and the second act concludes the 1290 days: “from the time of the [removal] even to the abomination of desolation: 1290 days.”

 
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keras, that is exactly what you are doing in referring to Revelation 6:17 as a "worldwide disaster"
Confirmed by Zephaniah 3:8 .....the whole earth will be consumed by the fire of My jealously.
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This is a common misunderstanding, based upon a poor translation of the verse. Yes, "The 1290 days begins with the daily being cut off." But the AD does not begin until those 1290 days are completed:

Standard translation of Daniel 12:11-12

Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily/continual service shall be taken away, and an abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be 1290 days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the 1335 days.

Literal translation of Daniel 12:11-12

And from the time the daily/continual service has been caused to be taken away and/even to the placing of an abomination of desolation: 1290 days. Blessed/happy is the one who earnestly waits, and comes/attains to 1335 days.

has been caused to be taken away”: Hophal Perfect 3ms of the verb סור [soor]. Hophal stems express causative action with a passive voice. Perfect tense means completed action (past, present, or future, here obviously being future).

and/even”: the Hebrew conjunction vav, ו. It usually is translated “and,” but also can mean “but, or, even, yet, when.”

to the”: ל This is the Hebrew preposition lamed, which means “to” or “for.” It has been omitted from the translations of nearly all versions of the Bible. Of the many versions I have consulted, it is found only in Youngʼs Literal Translation. Normally, this preposition would have a Shewa vowel pointing [ ְ ] underneath; but in this case it has a Qamats [ ָ ] underneath, which signifies that it includes within it the definite article “the,” the Hebrew letter ה . So this is to be read, “to the placing of an abomination of desolation…”

placing”: This is the correct translation of the Infinitive Construct of the verb root נתן [naw-than´], which means “to give, put, place.” An infinitive is a verbal noun, here being “placing.” The standard translation – “is set up” – distorts the meaning of the verb and the phrase.

The addition of the preposition “to” significantly alters the understanding of the text. The standard translation is rather ambiguous – at least, it has been to me – about the relationship of the 1290 days to the two acts: 1) the ending of the daily religious ritual, and 2) the placing of an abomination of desolation. But the inclusion of the simple preposition “to” indicates that the first act begins the 1290 days, and the second act concludes the 1290 days: “from the time of the [removal] even to the abomination of desolation: 1290 days.”

I think the standard understanding is that the daily is cut off via the abomination, in other words, they are simultaneous.

My understanding is that it is deliberately ambiguous, so I don't disagree with your understanding of the translation. Although I wouldn't limit the meaning to just the one or the other. All of prophecy is deliberately ambiguous because Satan would just mimick a straight telling.

Because the 1290 days is ambiguous, that means that there are 2, not 1, occasions of the abomination. First in Jerusalem, then in 'Mystery Babylon' (which will include Jerusalem) as described in Zech 5:6-11. That's why Zech 5:1-4 describes the 'flying scroll' (containing the blessings and curses for disobedience from Deut) that will cut off those who 'swear falsely by God's name' (which is what the Rev 10 Mighty Angel is doing) and then God cuts these people off at the 7th Trumpet at the breaking of the Dan 9:27 covenant (after the 1260 days of the 2 witnesses.)
 
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Because the text says "Woe to the inhaiters of the earth" in both Revelation 8:13 and Revelation 12:12.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Okay, I see what you're saying. You're connecting the patterned language between these verses to come to that conclusion. I think this is a reliable way to interpret scripture. But I'm curious, judging by your charts, why do you discount the patterned language connecting the 7th trumpet with the 7th bowl, as shown below:

7th Trumpet​
7th Bowl​
“The seventh angel sounded his trumpet,… Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.– Revelation 11:15, 19​
“The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake… From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds, fell on people.” – Revelation 16:17-18, 21​

Clearly, this patterned language demonstrates these passages are describing the same event, yet your chart still places them separate from each other. If you connect the 3rd Woe with the act of Satan being cast down on this basis, then it would make sense that the 7th trumpet and bowl are also connected for the same reason.



The abomination of desolation set up in verse 11 begins both the 1290 days and the 1335 days.

The issue is what does "Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1335 days" mean ? The blessings is that they will reign and rule with Jesus when He returns. I show that on my chart.

This is incorrect. The reason why we know that is because it's not what the text says, as demonstrated below:

"From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days." - Daniel 12:11-12
The first sentence tells us that once that particular event happens, there are 1,290 days left. This means there will be 1,290 days left until Jesus' return. The second sentence tells us blessed are those who wait and reach the end of the 1,335 days, which we can infer from the text, is for the same reason (i.e., Jesus' return).

This demonstrates that both of these sets of days have the same end-point, but have two different start-points.

The text says the abolishment of the daily sacrifice and the setting up of the abomination that causes desolation begin the 1,290 days. It doesn't attribute that to the beginning of the 1,335 days. You are adding that part yourself.



The seventh seal opened in the text of Revelation 8:1 clearly introduces the trumpet judgments, which are described throughout the rest of Revelation 8.

This is a common misnomer, and it usually happens because people believe that since the trumpet judgments are listed after the mention of the 7th seal, they must happen in that order. Yet, as we study Revelation, we learn not to assume its events are written in the order they're mentioned.

As an example, the 6th seal and 7th bowl are mentioned it two separate areas of Revelation, yet their patterned language demonstrates they're both referring to the same event, as seen below:

6th Seal​
7th Bowl​
“I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.Revelation 6:12-14
“The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquakeEvery island fled away and the mountains could not be found. From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds, fell on people.” Revelation 16:17-18, 20-21

Clearly, we can see these two visions are describing the same event, as it doesn't make any sense that every island and mountain are destroyed on two separate occasions! Similar to how we can connect two separate visions together that are located in different areas of Revelation, we can understand that just because the trumpet visions are mentioned just after 7th seal, doesn't mean they happen in that order.



I only know because I have over 55 years studying the end times in the bible. And even to me, the images were not obvious.

To others, what the images on your chart mean are not obvious as well.

You don't say what the circles with a number in them are. You show horses (which also look like donkeys) with out riders, but don't indicate what they represent are.

You provide no legend to the side on your chart to inform what the images represent.

And your chart provides no information regarding the sign of the Son of man appearing in heaven.

And your chart provides no information about the two witnesses.

And your chart is incorrect regarding the time frame of the great tribulation.

And your chart does not reveal what the abomination of desolation will be.

And your chart does not inform what the man running toward a mountain means, and what text informs of it.

And your chart has question marks as to what the 1335 days means.

And your chart does not indicate what ends the 1290 days.

You shouldn't assume others would have trouble understanding the imagery simply because you do. My chart isn't for people who are unfamiliar with Revelation's text. It's for people who are actively studying it. I don't need to spell things out for these people, because if they're studying the text in Revelation, then they'd know what each image represents.


There is no need for a legend on my chart because the images are self explanatory if one is familiar with Revelation's text.


In your reply to keras, you said:
In the sixth seal, in verse 16, is the appearing of sign of the Son of man in heaven that Jesus prophesied in Matthew 24:30a.

I didn't make separate mention of the sign of the son of man appearing in heaven, because it's included in the imagery of the sixth seal, as you yourself acknowledge.


My chart does include the two witnesses. When you butchered my timeline you took their image and moved it earlier in the chart and labeled them the two witnesses. The truth is the two witnesses are representative of the martyrs who die during the Great Tribulation. They're not two individuals, who breath fire like most believe.

The timeframe of the Great Tribulation is only properly found after understanding what the trumpets and bowls are, as well as who the two witnesses are in relation to the timeline set out across the seals of Revelation. That timeframe is, in fact, 1,260 days.

You can read my hermeneutics here:
1.) The Great Tribulation and The Day of The Lord (Understanding the trumpets and bowls)
2.) What Are the Seven Seals of Revelation? (Understanding the seals)
3.) Who Are the Two Witnesses in Revelation? (Understanding the who the two witnesses are)


My chart doesn't need to explain what the abomination of desolation is because the purpose of the timeline is to give an order of end-time events. Explanations and hermeneutics are found in the articles related to each timeline as it develops across each study.


The man running to the mountain is a reference the Jesus' command that we should flee to the mountains when we see the abomination that causes desolation standing in the holy place. This imagery is explained in its corresponding study, and doesn't need to be explained to those actively studying eschatology or those who are following along with the studies linked above.


The 1,335 days have no clear explanation as to what they're associated with, as I demonstrated earlier in this message. Unless you can provide Scriptural proof as to what they relate to, we can't say anything beside the fact that we don't know what specific event takes place to begin those days.


As demonstrated in the chart, the 1,290 days conclude with the return of the Lord.
 
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Clearly, this patterned language demonstrates these passages are describing the same event, yet your chart still places them separate from each other. If you connect the 3rd Woe with the act of Satan being cast down on this basis, then it would make sense that the 7th trumpet and bowl are also connected for the same reason.
The bowls of Revelation 16 are intensification's of the trumpets (1-4) of Revelation 8. The trumpets (5-7) are woe to the inhabiters of the earth.


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My chart doesn't need to explain what the abomination of desolation is because the purpose of the timeline is to give an order of end-time events. Explanations and hermeneutics are found in the articles related to each timeline as it develops across each study.
No single timeline chart includes everything. Since the abomination of desolation is such a major factor, you should explain what it will be in your article(s), as well as, show what it will be on your charts.


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My chart does include the two witnesses. When you butchered my timeline you took their image and moved it earlier in the chart and labeled them the two witnesses. The truth is the two witnesses are representative of the martyrs who die during the Great Tribulation. They're not two individuals, who breath fire like most believe.
The two witnesses will be two individuals. When they are killed their bodies will lay dead in the streets of Jerusalem 3 1/2 days.
 
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There is no need for a legend on my chart because the images are self explanatory if one is familiar with Revelation's text.
Your chart symbols are not self explanatory.

It would be simple to make a legend to go onto your chart. Like this....


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Okay, I see what you're saying. You're connecting the patterned language between these verses to come to that conclusion. I think this is a reliable way to interpret scripture. But I'm curious, judging by your charts, why do you discount the patterned language connecting the 7th trumpet with the 7th bowl, as shown below:

7th Trumpet​
7th Bowl​
“The seventh angel sounded his trumpet,… Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.– Revelation 11:15, 19​
“The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake… From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds, fell on people.” – Revelation 16:17-18, 21​

Clearly, this patterned language demonstrates these passages are describing the same event, yet your chart still places them separate from each other. If you connect the 3rd Woe with the act of Satan being cast down on this basis, then it would make sense that the 7th trumpet and bowl are also connected for the same reason.





This is incorrect. The reason why we know that is because it's not what the text says, as demonstrated below:

"From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days." - Daniel 12:11-12
The first sentence tells us that once that particular event happens, there are 1,290 days left. This means there will be 1,290 days left until Jesus' return. The second sentence tells us blessed are those who wait and reach the end of the 1,335 days, which we can infer from the text, is for the same reason (i.e., Jesus' return).

This demonstrates that both of these sets of days have the same end-point, but have two different start-points.

The text says the abolishment of the daily sacrifice and the setting up of the abomination that causes desolation begin the 1,290 days. It doesn't attribute that to the beginning of the 1,335 days. You are adding that part yourself.





This is a common misnomer, and it usually happens because people believe that since the trumpet judgments are listed after the mention of the 7th seal, they must happen in that order. Yet, as we study Revelation, we learn not to assume its events are written in the order they're mentioned.

As an example, the 6th seal and 7th bowl are mentioned it two separate areas of Revelation, yet their patterned language demonstrates they're both referring to the same event, as seen below:

6th Seal​
7th Bowl​
“I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.Revelation 6:12-14
“The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquakeEvery island fled away and the mountains could not be found. From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds, fell on people.” Revelation 16:17-18, 20-21

Clearly, we can see these two visions are describing the same event, as it doesn't make any sense that every island and mountain are destroyed on two separate occasions! Similar to how we can connect two separate visions together that are located in different areas of Revelation, we can understand that just because the trumpet visions are mentioned just after 7th seal, doesn't mean they happen in that order.





You shouldn't assume others would have trouble understanding the imagery simply because you do. My chart isn't for people who are unfamiliar with Revelation's text. It's for people who are actively studying it. I don't need to spell things out for these people, because if they're studying the text in Revelation, then they'd know what each image represents.


There is no need for a legend on my chart because the images are self explanatory if one is familiar with Revelation's text.


In your reply to keras, you said:


I didn't make separate mention of the sign of the son of man appearing in heaven, because it's included in the imagery of the sixth seal, as you yourself acknowledge.


My chart does include the two witnesses. When you butchered my timeline you took their image and moved it earlier in the chart and labeled them the two witnesses. The truth is the two witnesses are representative of the martyrs who die during the Great Tribulation. They're not two individuals, who breath fire like most believe.

The timeframe of the Great Tribulation is only properly found after understanding what the trumpets and bowls are, as well as who the two witnesses are in relation to the timeline set out across the seals of Revelation. That timeframe is, in fact, 1,260 days.

You can read my hermeneutics here:
1.) The Great Tribulation and The Day of The Lord (Understanding the trumpets and bowls)
2.) What Are the Seven Seals of Revelation? (Understanding the seals)
3.) Who Are the Two Witnesses in Revelation? (Understanding the who the two witnesses are)


My chart doesn't need to explain what the abomination of desolation is because the purpose of the timeline is to give an order of end-time events. Explanations and hermeneutics are found in the articles related to each timeline as it develops across each study.


The man running to the mountain is a reference the Jesus' command that we should flee to the mountains when we see the abomination that causes desolation standing in the holy place. This imagery is explained in its corresponding study, and doesn't need to be explained to those actively studying eschatology or those who are following along with the studies linked above.


The 1,335 days have no clear explanation as to what they're associated with, as I demonstrated earlier in this message. Unless you can provide Scriptural proof as to what they relate to, we can't say anything beside the fact that we don't know what specific event takes place to begin those days.


As demonstrated in the chart, the 1,290 days conclude with the return of the Lord.
Both 1290 days and 1335 days have the same start point (the stopping of the daily) but different end points (which is to say, one is 45 days later).

"From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days." - Daniel 12:11-12

Just a simple reading of the text indicates as much: blessed is the one who waits for 45 days more to reach 1335 days.

The end of 1290 days takes us to when the 'dragon' 'goes into heaven to call himself God'. (Rev 12's 'red dragon in heaven' in Greek is the equivalent of Isaiah 30:6's 'fiery flying serpent' which in Hebrew is 'seraphim' which is a type of angel. [also the 'Nehushtan']. [Flying = 'in heaven', fiery = 'red', serpent = 'dragon']. [Compare Ezek 28:16 with Rev 12:7-9.] (The analogy is that lightning 'snakes' across the sky.) (The 7th Trumpet is the mid-point of the Dan 9:27 covenant.)

In other words, the 'dragon' is the 'angel' that is 'deceiving the whole world' (Rev 12:9). The king of Tyre is an 'angel' (Ezek 28:14). This 'angel' is the Rev 10 mighty angel that comes down immediately after a third of the world has been killed (Rev 9:13-21) to reinstate the covenant (via swearing an oath to heaven). The 7th Trumpet is the start of the kingdom of heaven and the start of the beast from the sea and earth. 45 days later, the beast will be destroyed.

As to the Trumpets and Bowls. These are very clearly not the same and are not happening at the same time. Loosely speaking, Trumpets are punishments upon unfaithful Israel (which includes Mystery Babylon, grafted in 'Christianity') and Bowls are punishments upon the enemies of Israel. After Israel is punished, then the enemies of Israel are punished.

Deut 30:
1“When all these things come upon you—the blessings and curses I have set before you—and you call them to mind in all the nations to which the LORD your God has banished you, 2and when you and your children return to the LORD your God and obey His voice with all your heart and all your soul according to everything I am giving you today, 3then He will restore you from captivity and have compassion on you and gather you from all the nations to which the LORD your God has scattered you. 4Even if you have been banished to the farthest horizon, He will gather you and return you from there.​
5And the LORD your God will bring you into the land your fathers possessed, and you will take possession of it. He will cause you to prosper and multiply more than your fathers. 6The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, and you will love Him with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live.​

7Then the LORD your God will put all these curses upon your enemies who hate you and persecute you.​


Blessings and curses are related to faithfulness or unfaithfulness. Curses are for disobedience. 'Being restored from captivity' and 'being gathered from the farthest horizon' is what is mistakenly called a 'whisked away rapture'. This 'gathering' (Deut 30:4) is the Matt 24:29-31 'immediately after the tribulation of those days, the elect will be gathered'. Then, God will put the curses on the enemies of Israel, which is to say, people who take the mark of the beast and the beast from the sea & earth.
 
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Both 1290 days and 1335 days have the same start point (the stopping of the daily) but different end points (which is to say, one is 45 days later).

"From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days." - Daniel 12:11-12

Just a simple reading of the text indicates as much: blessed is the one who waits for 45 days more to reach 1335 days.
correct.
 
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"From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days." - Daniel 12:11-12
The first sentence tells us that once that particular event happens, there are 1,290 days left. This means there will be 1,290 days left until Jesus' return. The second sentence tells us blessed are those who wait and reach the end of the 1,335 days, which we can infer from the text, is for the same reason (i.e., Jesus' return). ...

The text says the abolishment of the daily sacrifice and the setting up of the abomination that causes desolation begin the 1,290 days.
Again, no it does not. Here is the literal and correct translation of the verse:

YLT (Young's Literal Translation): and from the time of the turning aside of the perpetual sacrifice, and to the giving out of the desolating abomination, are days a thousand, two hundred, and ninety.

The taking away of the daily religious ceremony -- Heb. tāmîḏ, which is not a blood sacrifice (Heb. zebach, as in Dan. 9:27) -- BEGINS the 1290 days. Only AFTER this period is completed is the AD placed.
 
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Yes; @tranquil is correct, the 1290 and the 1335 days both commence when the Abomination of Desolation, is placed in the Temple.
We also know that Jesus will Return 1260 days after that AoD. Rev 11:3, Rev 12:6 and as the 42 months and 3 1/2 years in Revelation and Daniel, confirm.
Therefore; the extra 30 and 75 days must come after Jesus Returns. Which nicely fulfil the 3 Mo-ed's of Tabernacles, [the Return} the Atonement, {forgiveness] and Hanukkah, the re-dedication of the Temple.
 
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Yes; @tranquil is correct, the 1290 and the 1335 days both commence when the Abomination of Desolation, is placed in the Temple.
We also know that Jesus will Return 1260 days after that AoD. Rev 11:3, Rev 12:6

keras, the 1260 days of the Revelation 11:3 and Revelation 12:6 are the first half of the 7 years, involving the two witnesses.

1260 days of feeding Israel the word of God in Revelation 12:6. After which Satan and his angels are cast down to earth having a time, time, half time left - the second half of the 7 years.


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Therefore; the extra 30 and 75 days must come after Jesus Returns. Which nicely fulfil the 3 Mo-ed's of Tabernacles, [the Return} the Atonement, {forgiveness] and Hanukkah, the re-dedication of the Temple.
No, everything fits within the years. There is no 30 nor 75 day over-run.
 
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the 1260 days of the Revelation 11:3 and Revelation 12:6 are the first half of the 7 years, involving the two witnesses.
This belief is simply disproved by studying the context of those 2 verses.
The first half of the 7 years will be peaceful as Daniel 9:27 says: with that first half spent... REB Or the KJV...and in the midst of the 'week'...
Plainly the 2 Witnesses will preach during the second half, during the Great Trib and when Jesus Returns, He will call them to Him, along with all the GT martyrs, to then rule and reign with Him for the Millennium.
No, everything fits within the years. There is no 30 nor 75 day over-run.
So; you deny that Jesus will fulfil the three fall Feasts at His Return?
Your unsupported statement here, is just made to save your 'charts' from total disrepute.
 
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Plainly the 2 Witnesses will preach during the second half, during the Great Trib and when Jesus Returns, He will call them to Him, along with all the GT martyrs, to then rule and reign with Him for the Millennium.
The two witnesses will be called up to heaven 3 1/2 days after the 1260 days. So their 1260 days are not the second half.

Also, when the two witnesses are killed, their enemies celebrate and exchange gifts with each other - something that will not happen the day before Jesus returns.



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