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Meet me with grace, I do not wish to create division nor confusion, so please be kind.

I have had many revelations, praise God, with equal conviction. However one topic continues to elude my understanding & until it can be made clear by Jesus I have settled on this: Unitarians & Trinitarians worship the same God. I believe both identities are attempts by men to explain the nature of our Lord of Hosts & both fail to categorically fit God into a box that makes sense.

Let me be clear. I do not doubt Gods’ oneness; I refuse to drift towards pluralism. Trinitarianism attempts to protect Christ’s divinity at the expense of dividing God into persons. Unitarianism attempts to protect Gods’ oneness at the expense of not being able to clarify the dynamic nature of Christ. Both try to defend something true. Both end up filing into philosophical categories - falling outside the lines of biblical truth. Neither system is big enough for the God of Scripture.

This I know because the Word tells me so: One God; One Spirit; One Name; One Throne; One Christ; One Truth. Both systems agree, to deny this, is actual heresy. So the object of worship is the same! Why not admit that the glory of who He is exceeds your understanding? This is my tension; forgive me God.

I often think of the story of Melchizedek. Abraham knew God as El Shaddai; Melchizedek knew God as El Elyon. Two different men, from two different lands, with two different backgrounds, & two different titles. Yet they worshipped the same One God. Revelation always outgrows our understanding. The only title that fully describes God is the one He gave Himself: I AM. Every other title is a window.

“And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭14‬:‭9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Until that day, I refuse to use man made inventions to describe my God. I will not add to the word. I will not interpret what is not there. I will not limit His glory. I will use precisely His word & nothing more. If that does not suffice; I will sooner question your heart. For me, this has given me peace, as I do not have to worry about offending the Creator of Heaven & Earth. I only wish to give Him honor; I do not suspect He will be concerned about how I defined Him seeing that I only ever defined Him by His own word.

God bless; may you all find peace.
 
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iHarken said:
Meet me with grace, I do not wish to create division nor confusion. I do not feel safe enough to have this conversation with most people. Please be kind.

I have had many revelations, praise God, with equal conviction. However one topic continues to elude my understanding & until it can be made clear by Jesus I have settled on this: Unitarians & Trinitarians worship the same God. I believe both identities are attempts by men to explain the nature of our Lord of Hosts & both fail to categorically fit God into a box that makes sense.

Let me be clear. I do not doubt Gods’ oneness; I refuse to drift towards pluralism. Trinitarianism attempts to protect Christ’s divinity at the expense of dividing God into persons. Unitarianism attempts to protect Gods’ oneness at the expense of not being able to clarify the dynamic nature of Christ. Both try to defend something true. Both end up filing into philosophical categories - falling outside the lines of biblical truth. Neither system is big enough for the God of Scripture.

This I know because the Word tells me so: One God; One Spirit; One Name; One Throne; One Christ; One Truth. Both systems agree, to deny this, is actual heresy. So the object of worship is the same! Why not admit that the glory of who He is exceeds your understanding? This is my tension; forgive me God.

I often think of the story of Melchizedek. Abraham knew God as El Shaddai; Melchizedek knew God as El Elyon. Two different men, from two different lands, with two different backgrounds, & two different titles. Yet they worshipped the same One God. Revelation always outgrows our understanding. The only title that fully describes God is the one He gave Himself: I AM. Every other title is a window.

“And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭14‬:‭9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Until that day, I refuse to use man made inventions to describe my God. I will not add to the word. I will not interpret what is not there. I will not limit His glory. I will use precisely His word & nothing more. If that does not suffice; I will sooner question your heart. For me, this has given me peace, as I do not have to worry about offending the Creator of Heaven & Earth. I only wish to give Him honor; I do not suspect He will be concerned about how I defined Him seeing that I only ever defined Him by His own word.

God bless; may you all find peace.
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God is not unknowable, and the truth is not unknowable, and it is only by this that you will bring him the greatest/highest honor/glory that will give you the greatest peace in the end. We also have a responsibility to those former two as well, and God will most definitely know it if you've been slacking.

God Bless.
 
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iHarken said:
Meet me with grace, I do not wish to create division nor confusion. I do not feel safe enough to have this conversation with most people. Please be kind.

I have had many revelations, praise God, with equal conviction. However one topic continues to elude my understanding & until it can be made clear by Jesus I have settled on this: Unitarians & Trinitarians worship the same God. I believe both identities are attempts by men to explain the nature of our Lord of Hosts & both fail to categorically fit God into a box that makes sense.

Let me be clear. I do not doubt Gods’ oneness; I refuse to drift towards pluralism. Trinitarianism attempts to protect Christ’s divinity at the expense of dividing God into persons. Unitarianism attempts to protect Gods’ oneness at the expense of not being able to clarify the dynamic nature of Christ. Both try to defend something true. Both end up filing into philosophical categories - falling outside the lines of biblical truth. Neither system is big enough for the God of Scripture.

This I know because the Word tells me so: One God; One Spirit; One Name; One Throne; One Christ; One Truth. Both systems agree, to deny this, is actual heresy. So the object of worship is the same! Why not admit that the glory of who He is exceeds your understanding? This is my tension; forgive me God.

I often think of the story of Melchizedek. Abraham knew God as El Shaddai; Melchizedek knew God as El Elyon. Two different men, from two different lands, with two different backgrounds, & two different titles. Yet they worshipped the same One God. Revelation always outgrows our understanding. The only title that fully describes God is the one He gave Himself: I AM. Every other title is a window.

“And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭14‬:‭9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Until that day, I refuse to use man made inventions to describe my God. I will not add to the word. I will not interpret what is not there. I will not limit His glory. I will use precisely His word & nothing more. If that does not suffice; I will sooner question your heart. For me, this has given me peace, as I do not have to worry about offending the Creator of Heaven & Earth. I only wish to give Him honor; I do not suspect He will be concerned about how I defined Him seeing that I only ever defined Him by His own word.

God bless; may you all find peace.
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One of their core theological views is that God is a single entity, and Jesus Christ of Nazareth was a human prophet rather than a divine deity. This one view takes them out of Christianity. The Trinity is a moot point. Unitarians explicitly reject the foundational premise that Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God in the flesh. In Unitarian theology, God the Father is the only supreme, uncreated being, and He did not descend to become a human being on earth.
Without the basic knowledge of God in the Flesh, they do not have access to His Holy Spirit. Additionally, it is very clear in Isaiah 9:6 who is Central in the Godhead.

"For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

Hopefully this helps.
Be blessed.
 
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God is not unknowable, and the truth is not unknowable, and it is only by this that you will bring him the greatest/highest honor/glory that will give you the greatest peace in the end. We also have a responsibility to those former two as well, and God will most definitely know it if you've been slacking.

God Bless.
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Amen.

I agree, the Lord our God is one Lord, He is known. He is the way, the truth, & the life. The truth is not abstract. He is not the author of confusion but of peace. You have a responsibility to love Christ supremely - you are to keep His word, keep His commandments, & obey Him completely. You said it well, thank you.
 
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One of their core theological views is that God is a single entity, and Jesus Christ of Nazareth was a human prophet rather than a divine deity. This one view takes them out of Christianity. The Trinity is a moot point. Unitarians explicitly reject the foundational premise that Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God in the flesh. In Unitarian theology, God the Father is the only supreme, uncreated being, and He did not descend to become a human being on earth.
Without the basic knowledge of God in the Flesh, they do not have access to His Holy Spirit. Additionally, it is very clear in Isaiah 9:6 who is Central in the Godhead.

"For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

Hopefully this helps.
Be blessed.
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Praise sister,

Isaiah is prophesying the manifestation of God made flesh; Jesus later affirms this truth!

“Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?”
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭9‬ ‭ESV‬‬

The deity of Christ is clear all throughout scripture. Thank you for your wisdom.
 
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iHarken said:
Meet me with grace, I do not wish to create division nor confusion. I do not feel safe enough to have this conversation with most people. Please be kind.

I have had many revelations, praise God, with equal conviction. However one topic continues to elude my understanding & until it can be made clear by Jesus I have settled on this: Unitarians & Trinitarians worship the same God. I believe both identities are attempts by men to explain the nature of our Lord of Hosts & both fail to categorically fit God into a box that makes sense.

Let me be clear. I do not doubt Gods’ oneness; I refuse to drift towards pluralism. Trinitarianism attempts to protect Christ’s divinity at the expense of dividing God into persons. Unitarianism attempts to protect Gods’ oneness at the expense of not being able to clarify the dynamic nature of Christ. Both try to defend something true. Both end up filing into philosophical categories - falling outside the lines of biblical truth. Neither system is big enough for the God of Scripture.

This I know because the Word tells me so: One God; One Spirit; One Name; One Throne; One Christ; One Truth. Both systems agree, to deny this, is actual heresy. So the object of worship is the same! Why not admit that the glory of who He is exceeds your understanding? This is my tension; forgive me God.

I often think of the story of Melchizedek. Abraham knew God as El Shaddai; Melchizedek knew God as El Elyon. Two different men, from two different lands, with two different backgrounds, & two different titles. Yet they worshipped the same One God. Revelation always outgrows our understanding. The only title that fully describes God is the one He gave Himself: I AM. Every other title is a window.

“And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭14‬:‭9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Until that day, I refuse to use man made inventions to describe my God. I will not add to the word. I will not interpret what is not there. I will not limit His glory. I will use precisely His word & nothing more. If that does not suffice; I will sooner question your heart. For me, this has given me peace, as I do not have to worry about offending the Creator of Heaven & Earth. I only wish to give Him honor; I do not suspect He will be concerned about how I defined Him seeing that I only ever defined Him by His own word.

God bless; may you all find peace.
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I personally am a Trinitarian and I see the Trinity through the lens of Origen-Gregory of Nyssa and Nazianzen-Hilary of Poitiers-Athanasius-and others.
God the Father, Jesus the son, and the Spirit have been in relationship of pure love from all eternity, they do nothing of themselves they are totally united in love, they are relational and made humanity to share in that relationship.
Because of this love relationship that they loved us out of, the Trinity created us to join them, nothing can or will be able to stop it, Rom 8:38 " For I have been persuaded that neither death nor life nor angels nor Archons nor things present nor things imminent not Powers, Nor height nor depth nor any other creature ( even Satan) will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in the Anointed our Lord."
Nothing will be able to stop what the Godhead set out to do, God will stop at nothing to redeem his beloved humanity back to himself and save them from ruin, Jesus even became human in order to take all of humanity into himself and use our betrayal of killing him into our salvation.
The Father, Son and Spirit are relational always has been always will be and we are included now because of what Jesus did with the Father and Spirit.
 
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Unitarians & Trinitarians worship the same God.
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If Unitarians believe that the only God is Jehovah, and not Jesus Christ, in whom is the Divine Trinity, then they believe in God with whom there can be no conjunction, for He is then the invisible God. If the Trinitarians believe in the three distinct persons-Gods, and call them one God, then they do not worship the one, who is the "true God and the life eternal", which is the Lord God Jesus Christ, or Jehovah Himself in His Divine Human.
So, in that sense, both Unitarians and Trinitarians worship the unvisible God, or in some cases worship the Lord as the subordinated, lower god, or one God out of the three Gods-Persons, but the true christian religion is to worship only one, who is both Lord and God the Saviour, which is the worship of the visible God, with whom there can be a conjunction.
 
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