Christian History in 15 minutes

All Becomes New · Jun 12, 2026

jas3 said:
Where did you hear that they were?

A scholar.

jas3 said:
Because they're deeply mistaken about many things. One might as well ask why some Protestants historically and even today practice polygamy.

EO are deeply mistaken about some things as well.

David Lamb · Jun 12, 2026

All Becomes New said:
I'm suggesting that he cut his hair in keeping with the Nazarite Vow. Do you disagree that he kept the Nazarite vow? What other vow would it be where he cut his hair as a vow?

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What is the Nazirite/Nazarite vow? What is the origin and purpose of the Nazirite vow?

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Yes, I agree that cutting his hair was in keeping with being a Nazarite. However, our discussion started because you wrote in Post 76 of this thread: "It's plain. Paul offered a sacrifice in the temple after taking a nazarite vow." I just want to know where the Bible says that Paul offered a sacrifice.

All Becomes New · Jun 12, 2026

David Lamb said:
Yes, I agree that cutting his hair was in keeping with being a Nazarite. However, our discussion started because you wrote in Post 76 of this thread: "It's plain. Paul offered a sacrifice in the temple after taking a nazarite vow." I just want to know where the Bible says that Paul offered a sacrifice.

Is there a reason this is a big deal to you?

Acts 21:23-24 CSB17
"We have four men who have made a vow. Take these men, purify yourself along with them, and pay for them to get their heads shaved."

Numbers 6:13-15 CSB17
"“This is the law of the Nazirite: On the day his time of consecration is completed, he is to be brought to the entrance to the tent of meeting. He is to present an offering to the LORD of one unblemished year-old male lamb as a burnt offering, one unblemished year-old female lamb as a sin offering, one unblemished ram as a fellowship offering, along with their grain offerings and drink offerings, and a basket of unleavened cakes made from fine flour mixed with oil, and unleavened wafers coated with oil.”"

Do you think that Paul did not know what he was doing in keeping a Nazarite Vow?

David Lamb · Jun 12, 2026

All Becomes New said:
Is there a reason this is a big deal to you?

Acts 21:23-24 CSB17
"We have four men who have made a vow. Take these men, purify yourself along with them, and pay for them to get their heads shaved."

Numbers 6:13-15 CSB17
"“This is the law of the Nazirite: On the day his time of consecration is completed, he is to be brought to the entrance to the tent of meeting. He is to present an offering to the LORD of one unblemished year-old male lamb as a burnt offering, one unblemished year-old female lamb as a sin offering, one unblemished ram as a fellowship offering, along with their grain offerings and drink offerings, and a basket of unleavened cakes made from fine flour mixed with oil, and unleavened wafers coated with oil.”"

Do you think that Paul did not know what he was doing in keeping a Nazarite Vow?

It's not a big deal to me. We are not even told that at Cenchrea the vow taken by Paul was a Nazarite vow. We are simply tyold that he had taken a vow:

(Act 18:18) So Paul still remained a good while. Then he took leave of the brethren and sailed for Syria, and Priscilla and Aquila were with him. He had his hair cut off at Cenchrea, for he had taken a vow.

prodromos · Jun 12, 2026

All Becomes New said:
Sorry, @prodromos, I should not have said your perspective is a minority view.

I will only say that scholarship today is largely changing for this verse, and your view is no longer "consensus," and there is serious debate about this topic, especially considering Williams’ prize-winning 2024 NTS article.

Publish or perish. Scholars have to keep coming up with new topics to write about or vanish into obscurity. I'll stick with how native speakers of Greek have understood St Mark's statement.

prodromos · Jun 12, 2026

All Becomes New said:
A scholar.

Doesn't sound like much of a consensus.

All Becomes New said:
EO are deeply mistaken about some things as well.

If we are, then why does God continue to so richly bless us?

All Becomes New · Jun 12, 2026

prodromos said:
If we are, then why does God continue to so richly bless us?

Because perfection is not required for God to bless you? Like, seriously, this is your argument?

You've vehemently opposed certain Biblical things I have said for the sake of your tradition. You are in no position to speak of fruit.

jas3 · Jun 12, 2026

All Becomes New said:
A scholar.

One anonymous scholar is not a serious source. If you know of an actual source, let's hear it, otherwise we can put this claim in the same bin as the "Christian means little Christ and was meant as an insult" claim you were corrected on earlier.

All Becomes New said:
EO are deeply mistaken about some things as well.

I'm not going to get into the weeds on this, my point was that being able to find people doing bizarre things in Protestant-land doesn't mean those practices have any validity.

prodromos · Jun 12, 2026

All Becomes New said:
Because perfection is not required for God to bless you? Like, seriously, this is your argument?

No, that is not my argument. Strawmen are so much easier to attack, aren't they.

All Becomes New said:
You've vehemently opposed certain Biblical things I have said for the sake of your tradition.

This is the same argument used by flat earthers. You in fact have your own tradition

All Becomes New said:
You are in no position to speak of fruit.

The fruit is real, abundantly so.

All Becomes New · Jun 13, 2026

prodromos said:
You in fact have your own tradition

Correct. My tradition is following the Bible.

timothyu · Jun 13, 2026

God first, Kingdom second, scripture third, religion...

All Becomes New · Jun 13, 2026

The EO folks here are acting a lot like atheists in mocking me. So much for fruit.

Ceis la vie.

All Becomes New · Jun 13, 2026

David Lamb said:
It's not a big deal to me. We are not even told that at Cenchrea the vow taken by Paul was a Nazarite vow. We are simply tyold that he had taken a vow

And I suppose you think that Paul completely made up his vow out of nowhere?

David Lamb · Jun 13, 2026

All Becomes New said:
And I suppose you think that Paul completely made up his vow out of nowhere?

No of course I don't. I just meant that the bible does not specify what the vow was.

prodromos · Jun 13, 2026

All Becomes New said:
The EO folks here are acting a lot like atheists in mocking me. So much for fruit.

Ceis la vie.

There is one EO here who finds your claims laughable, and that is me, the worst of sinners. You bear false witness against my brethren.

All Becomes New · Jun 13, 2026

prodromos said:
There is one EO here who finds your claims laughable, and that is me, the worst of sinners. You bear false witness against my brethren.

Feel free to check out X.com.

All Becomes New · Jun 13, 2026

David Lamb said:
No of course I don't. I just meant that the bible does not specify what the vow was.

Not directly, no. Neither does Jesus say, "I am Theos." But that in no way means that Jesus did not claim to be God.

prodromos · Jun 13, 2026

All Becomes New said:
Feel free to check out X.com.

You said "the EO folks here" in response to my laughing at your post.

David Lamb · Jun 14, 2026

All Becomes New said:
Not directly, no. Neither does Jesus say, "I am Theos." But that in no way means that Jesus did not claim to be God.

Quite right, Jesus didn't say, "I am Theos." However, He certainly said things that cause even His enemies to realise that He was claiming equality with God:

(Joh 5:18 NKJV) Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

He also said:

(Joh 10:30) " I and My Father are one."

(Joh 14:9) Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

So the meaning (that Jesus is God) is there.

The same cannot be said of what the vow was that Paul took at Cenchrea. It isn't said in different words. We are just pot told.

All Becomes New · Jun 14, 2026

David Lamb said:
Quite right, Jesus didn't say, "I am Theos." However, He certainly said things that cause even His enemies to realise that He was claiming equality with God:

(Joh 5:18 NKJV) Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

He also said:

(Joh 10:30) " I and My Father are one."

(Joh 14:9) Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

So the meaning (that Jesus is God) is there.

The same cannot be said of what the vow was that Paul took at Cenchrea. It isn't said in different words. We are just pot told.

Did Paul take a Nazarite vow? Yes or no?

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