Imputed Righteousness. The True & The False.

fhansen said:

The dfference in our understanding is in whether or not this is true, whether or not a believer could ever return to the flesh sigifiicantly enough to destroy his relationship with God, abusing that will of his in proving to be poor soil by the end of the day..

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under grace1 said:

Sometimes, actual experience trumps ''theology''

When I was twenty, I was in a dire situation. I cried out to God and promised him my life. In less than a year he totally transformed me beyond all recognition. I then went to live in a christian community. I heard an internationally known evangelist speak one night, and after the service they prayed with a few of us in a side room. The evangelist told me much about my life though they had never met me before. It was confirmed I was baptised in the spirit and the evangelist told me God had a specific work for me to do.
A couple of months later, at the community I met a young woman. I knew in my heart I should never have gone out with her, God showed me I shouldn't, but I still went ahead and did it anyway. The result was, seven years of a literal hell that resulted in heavy drinking, and gambling, and when the relationship was over this continued for another five years. I sunk lower than I had previously done before I promised God my life.
Then I had nowhere to live, and asked if I could return to the christian community I had previously lived at. The man in charge welcomed me with open arms, and told me God had given him a special love for me.
I truly cannot rationalise why God would have still loved me, and I suppose, if we cherry picked certain verses in isolation from scripture we would say it would not be possible. But I know he did still love me, I could give further examples as proof of that, but dislike long posts and the point concerning what you wrote has been responded to

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Carl Emerson said:

You seem to be obsessed with sin...

I haven't the faintest bit of intent of committing it...

That said, I am not within a bulls roar of the amazing righteousness of Christ even for an instant unless by grace He is working His own purpose through me.

Have you never seen the chasm between His righteousness and our obedience and been rendered speachless?

I am guessing not...

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Jan001 said:

It's commendable that you "haven't the faintest bit of intent of committing it."

That said, it is much easier for an older person to resist the temptations to commit sexual sins than it is for a younger person with super-active sex hormones.

Jesus Christ can work his purpose "ONLY" in the people who are presently obeying the Holy Spirit's promptings. God's gift of "free will choice," which is given to each person, is his gift to us. God does not want slaves who grudgingly obey him for fear of punishment; he wants adopted children who love him. They show their love for him by obeying his commandments, which are given to them for a righteous purpose—to save their souls; therefore, after they die, God will invite them to live with him forever. John 14:21

My point is this:
A person can choose to stop obeying God's commandments at any time during his lifetime. If he chooses to remain faithful—obedient—to God's commandments until he dies, he will then be approved to enter eternal life. Revelation 2:10

"Eternal Security" is an erroneous self-made doctrine, yet many people believe it, deceiving themselves. James 1:22

Jesus Christ teaches that to inherit eternal life, a person must obey his commandments until he dies, just as he obeyed his father's commandments until he died. Philippians 2:8, Romans 6:16

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fhansen said:

Thank you. Everyone here has a theology. Your's has been shaped to a large extent by your exprience; so has mine. And your experience doesn't conflict at all with the theology I've come to know and appreciate. Nice testimony in an case.

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fhansen said:

I haven't figured out yet how a person still sins, remaining in unrighteousness, IOW, without intending to sin, other than in cases of sheer ignorance, duress, etc. But I've heard that sentiment expressed now and then.

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Carl Emerson said:

I thought OUR righteousness was as filthy rags...

Guess I am reading another book.

I wonder why in God's relationship with Israel He forgave them again and again when our beloved theologians on this thread insist on one chance and toast.

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Carl Emerson said:

I thought OUR righteousness was as filthy rags...

Guess I am reading another book.

I wonder why in God's relationship with Israel He forgave them again and again when our beloved theologians on this thread insist on one chance and toast.

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Carl Emerson said:

I thought OUR righteousness was as filthy rags...

Guess I am reading another book.

I wonder why in God's relationship with Israel He forgave them again and again when our beloved theologians on this thread insist on one chance and toast.

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Jan001 said:

Jesus Christ teaches that to inherit eternal life, a person must obey his commandments until he dies, just as he obeyed his father's commandments until he died. Philippians 2:8, Romans 6:16

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under grace1 said:

Sin is the transgression of the law 1John3:4

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law/observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

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21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe Rom3:20-22

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Rom10:4.
Sin is the transgression of the law

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under grace1 said:

So if someone stole from you, you would gladly offer them more than they stole with nothing but love in your heart for them?

You leap for joy if you are persecuted?

You do not invite friends or family home for a meal but rather the poor, blind, lame and beggars so you may receive your reward in Heaven?

If you ever fasted, you have ensured no one knows you were fasting?

If someone asked to lend from you, you would give to them without expecting anything back?



From your post, I imagine you will respond yes to all of those examples



Not being a slave to sin, and not committing sin are two different things

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fhansen said:

So the new covenant means that sin/unrighteousness no longer matters to God, that which separated us from Him to begin with?

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