Luke 13:3 being ripped out of context to teach Repent Of Your Sins

tdidymas · May 10, 2026

Jan001 said:
To the early Christians, the water baptism, administered as Jesus Christ commanded in Matthew 28:18-20 and Mark 16:15-16, fulfilled John 3:3-5. This particular baptism makes a person "born again of water and the Spirit."

All three persons' names, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, must be invoked during this water baptism so that the baptismal water will literally wash away all the sins on the person's soul.

Father: Creator
Son: Redeemer
Holy Spirit: Sanctifier

Acts 2:38
Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins may be forgiven; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

"In the name of Jesus Christ" is an idiom and it was used to distinguish itself as the "water baptism that forgives sins," instead of the "water baptism of John" which publicly showed a person's "repentance for his sins."

Being born of water and the Spirit (born again or born from above):

1 Corinthians 6:11
And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

In the following scripture passage, Paul did not inform the apostles that he had "full confidence" that he would inherit eternal life.

1 Corinthians 4:1-5
Think of us in this way, as servants of Christ and stewards of God’s mysteries. 2 Moreover, it is required of stewards that they be found trustworthy. 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court. I do not even judge myself. 4 I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me. 5 Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive commendation from God. 1 Corinthians 9:25-27

"God knows who are his" because only he knows which people will remain faithful to his commandments until they die. God placed only the "faithful-until-death" people into his hands. Unfortunately, none of us can know for certain whether we will remain faithful until we die.
Revelation 2:10

I think all you want to do is argue because you're completely indoctrinated in RCC dogma, and you're not going to listen to anything I say because you're committed to nitpicking at it. Our paths diverge here, since I disagree with you. I'm done.

David Lamb · May 11, 2026

Jan001 said:
John was addressing "YOU WHO BELIEVE." Believers have eternal life PROMISED to them IF they CONTINUE TO BELIEVE in Jesus Christ until they die. No one can receive eternal life before they die. Jesus Christ must first judge them "worthy" to inherit eternal life before they can receive it.

But John doesn't say that they may know that they have the promise of eternal life, but that they may know that they have eternal life. I agree that he is addressing believers. Unbelievers cannot know that they have eternal life. Sorry for only replying to part of your post.

Jan001 · May 11, 2026

tdidymas said:
Here is proof that you're wrong on this:
Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

This scripture passage concerns entering eternal life after death.

The Israelites who disobediently worshiped the golden calf could not enter the Promised Land because of their disobedience/unbelief. Disobedience is unbelief. Luke 6:46

Luke 13:28
There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrown out.

tdidymas said:
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

This scripture passage concerns our life on earth.

Matthew 11:25-30
At that time Jesus said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and the intelligent and have revealed them to infants; 26 yes, Father, for such was your gracious will. 27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
28 “Come to me, all you that are weary and are carrying heavy burdens, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

2 Corinthians 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and the God of all consolation, 4 who consoles us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to console those who are in any affliction with the consolation with which we ourselves are consoled by God. 5 For just as the sufferings of Christ are abundant for us, so also our consolation is abundant through Christ.

tdidymas said:
Rom. 8:13 - those who don't follow Paul's advice to put to death the deeds of the flesh are people not born again, because they aren't trusting Christ to be their shepherd. Period.

To become "born again" requires the water baptism that Jesus commanded in Matthew 28:18-20, Mark 16:15-16, and John 3:3-5.

Titus 3:5
he saved us, not because of any works of righteousness that we had done, but according to his mercy, through the water of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

To remain faithful requires cooperating with the Holy Spirit of Grace and obeying him.

Jan001 · May 11, 2026

tdidymas said:
Again, your bias is hindering you from abandoning your ugly doctrine of continuous insecurity. You have to adhere to it because you just don't believe that God will save you and keep you save if you fall into His hands.

God will save me until I inherit eternal life if I remain faithful by continuing to obey his commandments until I die. Otherwise, Jesus Christ will judge me unworthy of eternal life. He will call me an evildoer instead of allowing me into heaven.

Unfaithful Christians will not inherit eternal life:

Luke 13:23-27
Someone asked him, “Lord, will only a few be saved?” He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the owner of the house has got up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then in reply he will say to you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 But he will say, ‘I do not know where you come from; go away from me, all you evildoers!’

Jan001 · May 11, 2026

tdidymas said:
I think all you want to do is argue because you're completely indoctrinated in RCC dogma, and you're not going to listen to anything I say because you're committed to nitpicking at it. Our paths diverge here, since I disagree with you. I'm done.

I read everything you write. It seems to me that you are completely indoctrinated in your self-made doctrine of eternal security. I think people who believe in eternal security would be wise to obey God's commandments until they die just in case their doctrine proves to be false.

Remaining faithful until death (obedience to God's commandments) is required to inherit eternal life.

Matthew 13:20-21
As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet such a person has no root, but endures only for a while, and when trouble or persecution arises on account of the word, that person immediately falls away. Mark 13:11-13

Acts 14:22
There they strengthened the souls of the disciples and encouraged them to continue in the faith, saying, “It is through many persecutions that we must enter the kingdom of God.”

Romans 11:22
Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness toward you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

Evil-doing, commandment-breaking Christians are not continuing in God's kindness/grace. Instead, they have severed themselves from God's saving grace. If they don't repent before they die, they will not inherit eternal life.

Paul addresses the Ephesian Christians:

Ephesians 5:3-7
But fornication and impurity of any kind, or greed, must not even be mentioned among you, as is proper among saints. 4 Entirely out of place is obscene, silly, and vulgar talk; but instead, let there be thanksgiving. 5 Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure person, or one who is greedy (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be associated with them.

Jan001 · May 11, 2026

David Lamb said:
But John doesn't say that they may know that they have the promise of eternal life, but that they may know that they have eternal life. I agree that he is addressing believers. Unbelievers cannot know that they have eternal life. Sorry for only replying to part of your post.

I know this is confusing. It took me a while to understand that the Jews in the first-century AD did not express their thoughts on paper as clearly as we would have liked them to. We can gain a clearer understanding of a topic such as eternal life, however, by reading everything about it in the entire NT and then determining what the authors meant.

Are you in heaven right now? If not, you do not presently have eternal life.

You may only hope for eternal life until you actually enter it.

Eternal life is promised to believers, those who practice godliness. 1 Timothy 4:8, Hebrews 10:34-36

A believer is a person who imitates Jesus' obedience to his Father's commands until his death.

Philippians 2:5-9
Let the same mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus,

6 who, though he was in the form of God,
did not regard equality with God
as something to be exploited,
7 but emptied himself,
taking the form of a slave,
being born in human likeness.
And being found in human form,
8 he humbled himself
and became obedient to the point of death—
even death on a cross.
9 Therefore God also highly exalted him
and gave him the name
that is above every name,

If we obey God's commandments (remain faithful) until we die, God will reward us with eternal life. Revelation 2:10

Dan Perez · Jun 9, 2026

Cockcrow said:
no it is not, a process.

John 6:47 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”

thats present tense you hath everlasting life.

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.”

Thats past tense you already have eternal life right now. if you have believed on Jesus Christ.

John 5:24 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

John 10:28-29 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

John 11:25-26 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

The bible says that because I trusted Jesus Christ, believed on Jesus Christ, then I have eternal life, everlasting life, I shall not come into condemnation, have passed from death to life, shall never die, never perish, never be plucked out of Jesus or the Fathers hand, am sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption, and I will be raised up at the last day.

# 1 VERILY. //. AMEN. is in. HEBREW and is Indeclinable

# 2 VERILY. //. THE SAME AS # 1

# 3. I SAY // LEGO. in. the PRESENT TENSE. in. the ACTIVE VOICE in the INDICATIVE MOOD in the SIGNULAR

# 4. UNTO YOU. // HYMIN. is a PERSONAL POSESSIVE PRONOUN in. the DATIVE CASE , in the PLUIRAL

# 5. HE THAT //. HO. is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. in. then NOMINATIVE CASE in the SIGNULAR

# 6. BELIEVETH. //. PISEUO. in. the PRESENT TENSE. in then ACTIVE VOICE. an. a PARICIPLE CASE ,

# 7. ON //. EIS. is a PREPOSTION.

# 8. ME. // EME is. a P[ERSONAL POSSESSISEIVE PRONOUN. in. the ACCUISATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

# 9 HATH // ECHO in. the PRESENT TENSE in. the ACTIVE VOICE in. the INDICATIVE MOOD in. the SINGULAR

# 10 EVER LASTING // AIONIOS. in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE. in the SINGULAR

# 11. LIFE. // ZOE. is an. ACCUSATIVE C ASE in. the SINGULAR.

# A Does this mean you have everlasting life TODAY ??

#. B Or Rom 10:9 That if you should CONFESS. with the MOUTH. he Lord Jesus and should believe in. your. HEART

that God raised Him. from the DEAD. , YOU WILL BE SAVED !!

# C. And is 1 Cor 12:3 NO ONE CALLS JUSUS LORD EXCEPT BY HOLY SPIRIT , PERIOD as Saul // PAUL

DID in Acts 9:5. , PEREIOD. .

# D AND IS JOHN 11:25 speaking to JEWS , YES IT IS !!

dan p

Jan001 · Jun 10, 2026

Dan Perez said:
# 1 VERILY. //. AMEN. is in. HEBREW and is Indeclinable

# 2 VERILY. //. THE SAME AS # 1

# 3. I SAY // LEGO. in. the PRESENT TENSE. in. the ACTIVE VOICE in the INDICATIVE MOOD in the SIGNULAR

# 4. UNTO YOU. // HYMIN. is a PERSONAL POSESSIVE PRONOUN in. the DATIVE CASE , in the PLUIRAL

# 5. HE THAT //. HO. is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. in. then NOMINATIVE CASE in the SIGNULAR

# 6. BELIEVETH. //. PISEUO. in. the PRESENT TENSE. in then ACTIVE VOICE. an. a PARICIPLE CASE ,

# 7. ON //. EIS. is a PREPOSTION.

# 8. ME. // EME is. a P[ERSONAL POSSESSISEIVE PRONOUN. in. the ACCUISATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

# 9 HATH // ECHO in. the PRESENT TENSE in. the ACTIVE VOICE in. the INDICATIVE MOOD in. the SINGULAR

# 10 EVER LASTING // AIONIOS. in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE. in the SINGULAR

# 11. LIFE. // ZOE. is an. ACCUSATIVE C ASE in. the SINGULAR.

# A Does this mean you have everlasting life TODAY ??

#. B Or Rom 10:9 That if you should CONFESS. with the MOUTH. he Lord Jesus and should believe in. your. HEART

that God raised Him. from the DEAD. , YOU WILL BE SAVED !!

# C. And is 1 Cor 12:3 NO ONE CALLS JUSUS LORD EXCEPT BY HOLY SPIRIT , PERIOD as Saul // PAUL

DID in Acts 9:5. , PEREIOD. .

# D AND IS JOHN 11:25 speaking to JEWS , YES IT IS !!

dan p

A person can choose to stop obeying God's commandments at any time during his lifetime. If he chooses to remain faithful—obedient—to God's commandments until he dies, he will then be approved to enter eternal life. Revelation 2:10

God's gift of "free will choice," which is given to each person, is his gift to us.
God does not want slaves who grudgingly obey him for fear of punishment; he wants adopted children who love him. They show their love for him by obeying his commandments, which are given to them for a righteous purpose—to save their souls; therefore, after they die, God will invite them to live with him forever. John 14:21, James 1:21

"Eternal Security" is an erroneous self-made doctrine, yet many people believe it, deceiving themselves. James 1:22

Jesus Christ teaches that to inherit eternal life, a person must obey his commandments until he dies, just as he obeyed his father's commandments until he died. Philippians 2:8, Romans 6:16

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