Trump Signs Order Seeking Federal Control of Mail Voting as He Promotes False Claims

stevevw said:

Thats good as now people have a destinct choice. But I was referring to the mayor election. As far as I know that is still being counted. Thats because 80% are mail in votes.

Click to expand...

Actually the mayor's race is at 98.5% as of yesterday per the LA Times.

Postvieww said:

California is currently fighting the audit of voter rolls by federal authorities.

Click to expand...

The feds, per the Constitution, have no authority over this. Some states have already won their court cases against an overbearing centralized government.

essentialsaltes said:

Actually the mayor's race is at 98.5% as of yesterday per the LA Times.

View attachment 380199

Click to expand...

Ok so its decided. Two dems fighting it off and most likely Bass winning. Though it would still be good if even a different dem had a turn for the sake of trying something different. If there is a difference in the underlying ideology.

Still Pratt was well ahead of Raman before the mail votes came in. The majority of mail in votes must be Dems. Though it is a dem State and city so it would be hard for a Rep do do well.

stevevw said:

Ok so its decided. Two dems fighting it off and most likely Bass winning. Though it would still be good if even a different dem had a turn for the sake of trying something different. If there is a difference in the underlying ideology.

Click to expand...

There is at least some difference in approach. Raman is a Democratic Socialist and has a more aggressive approach to removing barriers to building high density housing to ease homelessness.

stevevw said:

Still Pratt was well ahead of Raman before the mail votes came in. The majority of mail in votes must be Dems.

Click to expand...

The Democratic preference for mail voting is well known and expected. Especially after a certain someone demonized mail voting among Republicans.

Prebunking with

FAAAAAAKE.

stevevw said:

Still Pratt was well ahead of Raman before the mail votes came in. The majority of mail in votes must be Dems. Though it is a dem State and city so it would be hard for a Rep do do well.

Click to expand...

Only about 18% of voters in Los Angeles County are registered Republicans. Over 50% are registered Democrats.

Postvieww said:

As in California your state sends mail-in ballots to every registered voter. What a great system to verify who actually filled out the ballot and who actually returned it. No chance for fraud there, great job Colorado.

Click to expand...

One person, one ballot.

You haven't actually identified an existing problem.

stevevw said:

How is making an observation about a democratic political process which actually gives an even hand to both sides being about harsh, abusive, or highly critical language used to attack, insult, or denounce someone ?

I was not intending to make an analysis of the political system. Just a general observation that has panned out over years where each side seems to have a turn when voters get sick of one party so that it ends up where both get in power fairly even. Especially when one party obviously fails. It seems they can fail and stay in power for a long time.

Click to expand...

I was just separating your irrelevant opening from the rest of your post that was more on topic. Would you prefer I delete your pointless rambles. You've earned no benefit of the doubt and I have zero interest in your uniformed FoxNews opinions about my country. I don't comment about the politics of your upside down island.

stevevw said:

Its pretty specific ie current administrations of california ie governor Newsome and mayor Bass. I was specifically referring to the current mayor election.

Click to expand...

If it were clear, I wouldn't have asked, or commented. In addition to the Newsom administration (which is not up for election) there are dozens to hundreds of counties and cities. There is also the Trump Administration

stevevw said:

Thats not true. Already fraud is being revealed that is on par with Minesota.

Click to expand...

Minnesota is not California..

stevevw said:

But even if its not fruad then its waste and mismanagement as we have billions spent on areas like homelessness and yet the problem has become worse. That is enough for people to want to put someone different in who does not waste tax payers money.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/more-50-charged-thefts-millions-dollars-california-benefits-low-income-families

Four Charged In Multi-Million-Dollar Childcare Benefits Fraud Ring That Bilked California Welfare And Benefits Program For Years

oig.hhs.gov

Click to expand...

Welfare fraud and "voter fraud" have nothing to do with each other.

stevevw said:

California's welfare state is a fraud machine. It could make all Americans into victims
The state faces the highest cost of living in America and some of the highest taxes, levied to fund a massive welfare state. For that investment, taxpayers do not get less poverty or a better quality of life, but rather an epidemic of fraud — with an estimated $180 billion or more stolen under Gov. Gavin Newsom alone.

WILLIAM BENNETT: California's welfare state is a fraud machine. It could make all Americans into victims - AOL

An estimated $180 billion stolen under Gov. Gavin Newsom exposes how California's welfare policies ignore human nature and incentivize widespread fraud.

www.aol.com

Click to expand...

Bill Bennett is a polemicist. There is no reason to take anything he states as a fact source. Ever. If there are facts they can come from real sources. (But those facts even if they exist are NOT RELEVANT to this thread mr. off-topic distractions.)

stevevw said:

This has all the MO of Minesota welfare fraud.

Click to expand...

Greedy people want free money and will steal it if they have the chance. That has nothing to do with vote counting.

stevevw said:

But even if its not fraud it is endemic on dems governance style which creates massive welfare States where people become dependent on welfare with little checks and balances.

When a State or jurisdictions MO is sloppy and fruadulent practices then its reasonable to say that this will be similar across everything they do.

Click to expand...

Those offices and even jurisdictions are not the ones who count the votes.

stevevw said:

I don't think a time zone can account for that long a period.

Click to expand...

I was only trying to translate it into a time frame you could understand. California voters were still standing in line when you had your coffee last Wednesday morning. At the time of your first post that was only 5.5 days prior.

stevevw said:

California voting ends Tuesday. The results? Don’t expect them anytime soon

California voting ends Tuesday. The results? Don't expect them anytime soon

Why California takes so long to count votes: Mail-in ballots, signature verification and competitive races could delay election results for weeks

calmatters.org

Yes so long as the vote is cast on election day it can take up to 7 days to get there. Therefore they have to wait that 7 days before they even begin to count them.

Click to expand...

That 7 days is now closed. The vote counters have all of the votes. They've been counting votes for a full week now and ~90% are counted.

stevevw said:

That could then take another week or two. They have up to 5 weeks to count if necessary.

Click to expand...

I believe the "5 weeks" is full canvas and certification of the election.

stevevw said:

I understand the reasons why it takes so long. Mostly because California has a large mail in vote.

California election limbo fueled by 4 pressure points dragging out vote count, expert says

Election law expert Hans von Spakovsky says California's slow vote counting stems from mass mail voting, a seven-day ballot window, and cure periods.

www.foxnews.com

California's slow vote count faces changes as Supreme Court decision on late ballots looms

The U.S. Supreme Court could soon rule that California cannot accept ballots after election day. Experts are unsure what effect that would have on the counting process, but say there are other steps t...

www.yahoo.com

Click to expand...

Then why the conspiratorial complaints about it?

stevevw said:

Mail in votes massively increased during Covid. Which was suppose to be a temporary measure. There was no problems or complaints before covid when mail in votes were only restricted to genuine cases.

Click to expand...

By 2018, 2/3rds of California ballots were cast by mail-in/drop-box:


That's why they already had the massive facilities filled with counting equipment.

The slow count of the 2018 California vote is notable for the way it distorted the results of the House of Representative elections. The Dems needed about 25 seats to "flip" to gain control of the House. When Election night ended, there were enough seats "called" nationwide to indicate that the Dems would have control, but the narrative that spread was a "narrow victory" since there were so many uncalled California seats because not enough votes had been counted. (And a few others that were close around the country.). When the votes were all counted, the Dems had a 36 seat advantage and much of the difference between that number and the "election day number" was seats in California won by several points, that just didn't have enough votes on the first night to "call".

stevevw said:

But now some demand it be the norm. Its usually the same people who decried that black voters were being descriminated because they were incapable of getting ID to vote.

The vast majory of voters support voter ID. Including the majority of Dems and blacks. That means getting off your backside and getting ID and to vote. It actually encourages an active participating in the process. Rather than reducing it down to no one caring to make an effort. Just a paper trail.

Click to expand...

They are paper ballots, Steve. Everyone had to demonstrate their eligibility to register to vote.

stevevw said:

In Australia we have to go to a voting station. But they are everywhere an no more than a mile away from everyone in every place. We also get fined for not voting. Yet no one complains and it works fine. We know the results the same night or at worst the next day.

Click to expand...

Why would I care about how votes are done in a country that can't even vote out its king?

stevevw said:

Even the idea that all Dem candidates can run for reelection deminishes the democratic idea that both parties should be equally available for reelection. If the State organises itself and controls info and ability to not get voted out then thats more or less dictating power. Which maybe one reason why they have been allowed to stay in control despite mismanaging things.

Click to expand...

What? unless there is a term limit (like the one that keeps Newsom from running again) any elected politician can run again, not just dems. How does it diminish democracy to have the choice to select the same person again? We are talking about open primaries here, Steve. There were candidates from many parties and no party at all running for most of those positions. There were *61* candidates for governor for crying out loud.

stevevw said:

Of course its relevant. I just explain how a party can stay in power despite mismanaging things. Thats why they are voted out so that someone else can have a go.

But it seems the Dems have managed to stay in for a long time despite mismangement, fraud and all the horrible social problems that have escalated. Not to mention the massive spending and debt which has not made any difference.

All these markers are why governments are voted out. Its how the system is designed so that those who fail get put out to allow someone different.

Click to expand...

I guess the people of California prefer Democrats, but that has nothing to do with claims of fraud or complaints about the "slowness of the vote count".

stevevw said:

It goes against commonsense and reality. So something is going on that failing parties can stay in power. Either its rigged or there is propaganda happening with control of outcomes. Such as hiding fruad and the bad stuff to make the party look better to voters on the surface.

Click to expand...

Or, perhaps, they're not actually "failing". That's what I meant about your perspective being distorted - I grew up in California, my family all still lives there, and I visit several times a year, and the picture you paint of a "failing" state does not comport with reality.

Postvieww said:

In California every registered voter receives a mail in ballot whether requested or not. California is currently fighting the audit of voter rolls by federal authorities. At the very least it appears they have something to hide. The current requirements for ID needed to register in California are very slack and will not prevent ineligible people from registering.

Click to expand...

No, at the very least it appears California is standing up for the Constitutional rights of their state.

RDKirk said:

No, at the very least it appears California is standing up for the Constitutional rights of their state.

Click to expand...

Small government when it suits one. Unlawful big government if it benefits one. They just can't make up their mind.

Postvieww said:

As in California your state sends mail-in ballots to every registered voter. What a great system to verify who actually filled out the ballot and who actually returned it. No chance for fraud there, great job Colorado.

Click to expand...

In Colorado they verify the signatures and every ballot is tracked. Unless someone who is trying to vote with a ballot not their own is very familiar and practiced with the signature of the register voter, it won’t work. How much of a possible problem is this really going to be?

Say it aint so said:

Small government when it suits one. Unlawful big government if it benefits one. They just can't make up their mind.

Click to expand...

That sounds like the GOP to me.