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Trump Signs Order Seeking Federal Control of Mail Voting as He Promotes False Claims
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The feds, per the Constitution, have no authority over this. Some states have already won their court cases against an overbearing centralized government.
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Ok so its decided. Two dems fighting it off and most likely Bass winning. Though it would still be good if even a different dem had a turn for the sake of trying something different. If there is a difference in the underlying ideology.
Still Pratt was well ahead of Raman before the mail votes came in. The majority of mail in votes must be Dems. Though it is a dem State and city so it would be hard for a Rep do do well.
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There is at least some difference in approach. Raman is a Democratic Socialist and has a more aggressive approach to removing barriers to building high density housing to ease homelessness.
The Democratic preference for mail voting is well known and expected. Especially after a certain someone demonized mail voting among Republicans.
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Only about 18% of voters in Los Angeles County are registered Republicans. Over 50% are registered Democrats.
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I was just separating your irrelevant opening from the rest of your post that was more on topic. Would you prefer I delete your pointless rambles. You've earned no benefit of the doubt and I have zero interest in your uniformed FoxNews opinions about my country. I don't comment about the politics of your upside down island.
If it were clear, I wouldn't have asked, or commented. In addition to the Newsom administration (which is not up for election) there are dozens to hundreds of counties and cities. There is also the Trump Administration
Minnesota is not California..
Welfare fraud and "voter fraud" have nothing to do with each other.But even if its not fruad then its waste and mismanagement as we have billions spent on areas like homelessness and yet the problem has become worse. That is enough for people to want to put someone different in who does not waste tax payers money.
Bill Bennett is a polemicist. There is no reason to take anything he states as a fact source. Ever. If there are facts they can come from real sources. (But those facts even if they exist are NOT RELEVANT to this thread mr. off-topic distractions.)California's welfare state is a fraud machine. It could make all Americans into victims
The state faces the highest cost of living in America and some of the highest taxes, levied to fund a massive welfare state. For that investment, taxpayers do not get less poverty or a better quality of life, but rather an epidemic of fraud — with an estimated $180 billion or more stolen under Gov. Gavin Newsom alone.
WILLIAM BENNETT: California's welfare state is a fraud machine. It could make all Americans into victims - AOL
An estimated $180 billion stolen under Gov. Gavin Newsom exposes how California's welfare policies ignore human nature and incentivize widespread fraud.www.aol.com
Greedy people want free money and will steal it if they have the chance. That has nothing to do with vote counting.
Those offices and even jurisdictions are not the ones who count the votes.
I was only trying to translate it into a time frame you could understand. California voters were still standing in line when you had your coffee last Wednesday morning. At the time of your first post that was only 5.5 days prior.
That 7 days is now closed. The vote counters have all of the votes. They've been counting votes for a full week now and ~90% are counted.California voting ends Tuesday. The results? Don’t expect them anytime soon
California voting ends Tuesday. The results? Don't expect them anytime soon
Why California takes so long to count votes: Mail-in ballots, signature verification and competitive races could delay election results for weekscalmatters.org
Yes so long as the vote is cast on election day it can take up to 7 days to get there. Therefore they have to wait that 7 days before they even begin to count them.
I believe the "5 weeks" is full canvas and certification of the election.
Then why the conspiratorial complaints about it?I understand the reasons why it takes so long. Mostly because California has a large mail in vote.
California election limbo fueled by 4 pressure points dragging out vote count, expert says
Election law expert Hans von Spakovsky says California's slow vote counting stems from mass mail voting, a seven-day ballot window, and cure periods.www.foxnews.com
California's slow vote count faces changes as Supreme Court decision on late ballots looms
The U.S. Supreme Court could soon rule that California cannot accept ballots after election day. Experts are unsure what effect that would have on the counting process, but say there are other steps t...www.yahoo.com
By 2018, 2/3rds of California ballots were cast by mail-in/drop-box:
Historical Vote-By-Mail (Absentee) Ballot Use in California :: California Secretary of State
View information on Historical Vote-By-Mail (Absentee) Ballot Use in California here.
That's why they already had the massive facilities filled with counting equipment.
The slow count of the 2018 California vote is notable for the way it distorted the results of the House of Representative elections. The Dems needed about 25 seats to "flip" to gain control of the House. When Election night ended, there were enough seats "called" nationwide to indicate that the Dems would have control, but the narrative that spread was a "narrow victory" since there were so many uncalled California seats because not enough votes had been counted. (And a few others that were close around the country.). When the votes were all counted, the Dems had a 36 seat advantage and much of the difference between that number and the "election day number" was seats in California won by several points, that just didn't have enough votes on the first night to "call".
They are paper ballots, Steve. Everyone had to demonstrate their eligibility to register to vote.
Why would I care about how votes are done in a country that can't even vote out its king?
What? unless there is a term limit (like the one that keeps Newsom from running again) any elected politician can run again, not just dems. How does it diminish democracy to have the choice to select the same person again? We are talking about open primaries here, Steve. There were candidates from many parties and no party at all running for most of those positions. There were *61* candidates for governor for crying out loud.
I guess the people of California prefer Democrats, but that has nothing to do with claims of fraud or complaints about the "slowness of the vote count".
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Or, perhaps, they're not actually "failing". That's what I meant about your perspective being distorted - I grew up in California, my family all still lives there, and I visit several times a year, and the picture you paint of a "failing" state does not comport with reality.
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No, at the very least it appears California is standing up for the Constitutional rights of their state.
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Small government when it suits one. Unlawful big government if it benefits one. They just can't make up their mind.
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In Colorado they verify the signatures and every ballot is tracked. Unless someone who is trying to vote with a ballot not their own is very familiar and practiced with the signature of the register voter, it won’t work. How much of a possible problem is this really going to be?
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There definitely needs to be more housing.
Apart from demonizing mail in voting it is not the best way to conduct elections. Its more open to abuse than direct voting with ID which ensures voting integrity.
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then don't jump into my posts lol. Its easy. But if you are going to then I am not going to change what I say. Its your opinion that it was not on topic.
I specifically named Californian elections Hans. Please read what I put.
I made a comparison Hans. I named Minesota as a comparable State. Similar MO. Please understand the point.
Yes and you missed the point. Someone who commits fraud in one way is more likely to do it in other ways.
Nothing he said is false. California has the highest cost of living in America and some of the highest taxes, levied to fund a massive welfare state.
I also gave a couple more links on the massive fraud being exposed. Just as it did in Minesota when some claimed it was not happening.
Thats because you keep side stepping the point being made. Which was if there is large scale welfare fraud going on then this undermines the States integrity for anything and everything. It casts doubt and suspicion on whether they are being legit.
Like I said if they are willing to defraud or allow defrauding in one way then it undermines their integrity in other ways.
It doesn't matter. If the system is sloppy and slack then it will be reflected across all levels of government and administration. It is the State or city political leaders who control the regulations re voting. If the same leaders are slack and mismanage regulations in welfare then they will do the same in other ways.
But even if the voting is above board the point is already we see poor management and waste and yet they still get in. Which says something is wrong with the voting system that can keep a poor admin in power.
I get you. Yes there is a lag. In fact the next news report I got was Raman overtaking Pratt. One minute Pratt had a handy lead and now it looks like he is gone.
Ok. All I know is they said it could take 4 or 5 weeks. But even 1 or 2 weeks seems strange. We usually know who won within a day or so.
Because its a strange system that is open to abuse. The reason it takes so long is the mail in voting and the mail in voting system is what lacks scrutiny and is open to abuse.
Still not a good system compared to voters ID to show who is voting. It seems the vast majority of people support this. Why would they support it. Because they know its a far better way to ensure proper voting.
With or without photo ID. Why do the vast majority support voter ID if they can already legally eligible without ID. Obviously people believe that theres a risk that people can falsely register without proper identification.Historical Vote-By-Mail (Absentee) Ballot Use in California :: California Secretary of State
View information on Historical Vote-By-Mail (Absentee) Ballot Use in California here.www.sos.ca.gov
That's why they already had the massive facilities filled with counting equipment.
The slow count of the 2018 California vote is notable for the way it distorted the results of the House of Representative elections. The Dems needed about 25 seats to "flip" to gain control of the House. When Election night ended, there were enough seats "called" nationwide to indicate that the Dems would have control, but the narrative that spread was a "narrow victory" since there were so many uncalled California seats because not enough votes had been counted. (And a few others that were close around the country.). When the votes were all counted, the Dems had a 36 seat advantage and much of the difference between that number and the "election day number" was seats in California won by several points, that just didn't have enough votes on the first night to "call".
They are paper ballots, Steve. Everyone had to demonstrate their eligibility to register to vote.
We can vote out the King anytime if we want. Its called a referrendum and its failed every time. Perhaps one day we will.
yes but in reality it seems they end up with two Dems running for election. Two of the same party fighting it out. Rather than one from each party which then gives voters a choice in different ideologies. Similar to the national elections between Dems and Reps but on a smaller scale.
So be it. If there are 61 then let there be 61 to choose from. We have a similar number. People usually vote for one of the two main parties. But we don't end up with all of one party and none of any others.
What happens when its always Dems fighting it out and they always get in for decades. That does not seem good. Just having one party dominate so much is unhealthy for democracy.
Like I said being willing or overlooking fraud and slackness in one way undermines integrity in all ways. It may be that those in power make it that way where Dems will come or welfare recipients will come. Afterall is not California one of the santuary States.
If they make it a santuary for certain people who benefit then they are sure to vote them back in each time. If they give generous welfare or other benefits then this is like buying votes.
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No, you have been lied to, Republican's in California has been doing mail voting for years. And they still do. Trump supporters play the game, that they don't do mail voting, but they do. The majority of the people in California, don't want to be robbed by trump or lose medical resources. But trump supporters are in denial.
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You write nonsense rambles. They deserve pushback.
Your point is false. The fraud committers are not running elections. Nor is there any reason to think those committing welfare fraud would need to vote fraudulently. It is all irrelevant. (And Minnesota.)
Not relevant.
Quit being obtuse.
The elections board does not run the welfare system. I don't know why this is hard for you to understand.
Not one minute later. It took almost a week of counting votes cast by people who didn't vote for him for him to be eliminated. (see previous statements about republicans and mail-in voting plus democrats and hard choice for governor.)
In many other states, the vote totals are "known" by dawn the next morning barring a small trickle of oversees voters. California has a "post-mark by election day, 7 days to arrive" rule and uses "central counting". Both of which cause delays.
There is plenty of discussion on voter ID on this board (and probably in this thread) so I'm not going to join that. Neither you, nor I vote by mail nor do we vote in California.
Let me know when that happens. My French ancestors had an alternative plan...
They have a wide variety of ideologies to pick from. The two democrats surviving for LA mayor are quite different. I wouldn't be surprised if the 15% of Angelenos who are Republicans make the difference by voting for the incumbent, mainstream Democrat in November.
25 of the 61 candidates for governor where Democrats. There were many Republicans running as well.
It's a silly system and Californians seem to have had enough of it. I'm not sure how it will help the GOP with a guarenteed slot on the general election ballot as they are a low popularity party.
Weird that people vote for the party that gives them the most benefit with the fewest taxes. Too bad for the GOP that they suck so bad at this for the needs of California.
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