Trump Signs Order Seeking Federal Control of Mail Voting as He Promotes False Claims

FreeinChrist said:

California is larger that most of those countries.
States do get to control elections and the LA mayor election was a state election.

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I was talking about federal elections. Isn’t that what this thread is about?

A New Dawn said:

I was talking about federal elections. Isn’t that what this thread is about?

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There really isn't such a thing as a federal election. Under the Constitution, all elections are state elections. That's one of the reasons the Electoral College exists--it makes even the election of the president a state election process.

RDKirk said:

There really isn't such a thing as a federal election. Under the Constitution, all elections are state elections. That's one of the reasons the Electoral College exists--it makes even the election of the president a state election process.

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The new "unitary" executive we're contriving should be able to fix that.

essentialsaltes said:

On Friday, however, First Assistant US Attorney Bill Essayli — a Trump appointee who leads the Los Angeles-based US attorney’s office — addressed the conspiracy theory.

“There was a claim circulating on social media about an election night ballot update at the Los Angeles Registrar of Voters where one candidate received zero votes,” Essayli wrote. “We reviewed official county records. The claim is false. Each candidate received votes in every update.”

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Essayli needs to find some fraud. Anyone see anything?

Trump prosecutor vows CA election charges within 'two months' — as he begs for evidence​

First Assistant U.S. Attorney Bill Essayli, the number-two federal prosecutor in the Central District of California, told Beck that election fraud charges are coming — "one to two months, I believe" — before pivoting to ask the conservative host's audience for help.

"What we need right now are witnesses," Essayli said in the interview. "If you've witnessed anything… we wanna know about that."

"I know people have theories and they have ideas," Essayli added. "What we need right now are witnesses."

A New Dawn said:

Let’s just get rid of Congress, too. The electoral college is based on the same representation we have for Congress.

Let’s do it now!

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Tear it all down and start again!
How is that “conservative”?

Postvieww said:

Laziness is not a legitimate reason for mail in voting. Handicaped persons, military abroad, people who work abroad or because of travel have a legitimate reason to REQUEST a mail in ballot. Random mailing of ballots should be made illegal Federally.

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Ballots are mailed to people who have registered to obtain one.

FreeinChrist said:

Another member brought up California. It has been Trump's topic for the last week.

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I was speaking about the way California handles federal elections. They can do whatever they want for their own state, but when they interfere with federal elections, it’s time to create an amendment to prevent them from doing that.

Pommer said:

Ballots are mailed to people who have registered to obtain one.

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Whether they are alive or not!

RDKirk said:

There really isn't such a thing as a federal election. Under the Constitution, all elections are state elections. That's one of the reasons the Electoral College exists--it makes even the election of the president a state election process.

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An amendment could take care of this too.

A New Dawn said:

An amendment could take care of this too.

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You’d like for the present Congress to go about fiddling with the innards of our Republic?
Brave soul.

A New Dawn said:

An amendment could take care of this too.

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True, but I could also win the lottery and I think my lottery chances are higher.

RocksInMyHead said:

Have you, perhaps, considered that your view of the situation in California might be a teensy bit distorted, given that you live in (checks notes) Brisbane, Australia? Have you been to California recently? Have you ever been to California?

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My brothers there as we speak. Never been myself but would love to go and do the tourist thing.

But I fail to see how that would stop someone making the observation that in democratic nations we usually see the same pattern. australia has a similar party divide between conservations and dems.

Except in Australia we call the Dems (Labor). But they have similar ideology and policies. What people complain about the Dems they do the same for Labor. The same with the Conservatives in Australia reflect the Republicans ideology and policies.

So as mentioned the general observation in all these deocratic nations is that these two parties usually have more or less equal times in power and usually after people get sick of the one parties failures. That is the nature of democracy rather than dictatorship. That the two parties will be voted in as keeping the one party for years an years despite them failing is more or less allowing a dictatorship.

It goes against commonsense and reality. So something is going on that failing parties can stay in power. Either its rigged or there is propaganda happening with control of outcomes. Such as hiding fruad and the bad stuff to make the party look better to voters on the surface.

RocksInMyHead said:

California's primary election was 6 days ago. I'm not sure where you're getting that they've delayed results for a month.

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I though they were saying its only around 62% counted and they will not know the final results until all the mail in votes have been counted. Which can take up to 5 weeks.

Which seems rediculous. We usually know the results on the night. If not the next day or so. That an election can drag out for 5 weeks could allow all sorts of stuff to happen in that time. It doesn't give people much confidence. Seems a bit sus to me.

stevevw said:

I though they were saying its only around 62% counted and they will not know the final results until all the mail in votes have been counted. Which can take up to 5 weeks.

Which seems rediculous. We usually know the results on the night. If not the next day or so. That an election can drag out for 5 weeks could allow all sorts of stuff to happen in that time. It doesn't give people much confidence. Seems a bit sus to me.

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It's only been one week and there's about 90% of the votes counted with the top two winning candidates, Democrat Xavier Becerra and Republican Steve Hilton, already anounced as of today. There's nothing suspiscous about this election.

The only reason some people are having any doubts is due to bad actors like our president sowing these doubts.

They need to check for ID. They need to have every vote counted with several parties observing. All ballot boxes should be escorted and guarded every step in the process. I trust no one at this point. Nobody should be alone with these ballots or tallies.
The left is so brainwashed about their issues that they will do literally ANYTHING, include cheat, break laws, lie... anything that it takes to defeat what they consider the great satan.... Trump. Their cause is so great that nothing is beneath them.They will assassinate, burn, riot... anything to force their opinion on the rest of us.
Yes... every step of these elections need to be treated like gold being transferred. Just do it.

Hans Blaster said:

Maybe instead of using generalized invectives and passing them off as "analysis" you could get a clue about what you are talking about.

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How is making an observation about a democratic political process which actually gives an even hand to both sides being about harsh, abusive, or highly critical language used to attack, insult, or denounce someone ?

I was not intending to make an analysis of the political system. Just a general observation that has panned out over years where each side seems to have a turn when voters get sick of one party so that it ends up where both get in power fairly even. Especially when one party obviously fails. It seems they can fail and stay in power for a long time.

Hans Blaster said:

"current administrations"? You are going to have to be more specific. This is like using pronouns without stating a proper noun or name first.

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Its pretty specific ie current administrations of california ie governor Newsome and mayor Bass. I was specifically referring to the current mayor election.

Hans Blaster said:

There is no evidence of widespread welfare fraud, nor even if there was would it have anything to do with election administration.

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Thats not true. Already fraud is being revealed that is on par with Minesota.

But even if its not fruad then its waste and mismanagement as we have billions spent on areas like homelessness and yet the problem has become worse. That is enough for people to want to put someone different in who does not waste tax payers money.



California's welfare state is a fraud machine. It could make all Americans into victims
The state faces the highest cost of living in America and some of the highest taxes, levied to fund a massive welfare state. For that investment, taxpayers do not get less poverty or a better quality of life, but rather an epidemic of fraud — with an estimated $180 billion or more stolen under Gov. Gavin Newsom alone.

This has all the MO of Minesota welfare fraud.

But even if its not fraud it is endemic on dems governance style which creates massive welfare States where people become dependent on welfare with little checks and balances.

Hans Blaster said:

Claim made without evidence. (Oh look, you are about to get to elections, the subject of the thread)

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When a State or jurisdictions MO is sloppy and fruadulent practices then its reasonable to say that this will be similar across everything they do.

Hans Blaster said:

As has already been pointed out to you. The election was last Tuesday. It hasn't been a month, it hasn't been a week, it is less than 6 days since the polls closed. (Since you live in another reality, or timezone, when polls closed in California it was Wednesday morning on June 3 in your prison colony.)

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I don't think a time zone can account for that long a period.

California voting ends Tuesday. The results? Don’t expect them anytime soon

Hans Blaster said:

California has mail and drop box voting for every one (plus the option for in-person voting). Mail votes are certified as on time by post marks with several days allotted for them to arrive after postmarking.

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Yes so long as the vote is cast on election day it can take up to 7 days to get there. Therefore they have to wait that 7 days before they even begin to count them. That could then take another week or two. They have up to 5 weeks to count if necessary.

Hans Blaster said:

Additionally, and probably more importnatly, most (all) of California uses "central counting facitilities". LA County is the largest election operating entity in North America. All of this means it takes a week or more to count all ballots. (Central counting has issues in terms of speed, which I can illustrate for you if you are interested.)

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I understand the reasons why it takes so long. Mostly because California has a large mail in vote.

Hans Blaster said:

Who turns in ballots when and by which method should, at most, have some sort of socioeconomic echo to it as their lifestyles have different impacts on when they can vote, but mail-in voting itself has become partisan with GOP supporters deriding it as "fraud" (as you have in this post).

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Mail in votes massively increased during Covid. Which was suppose to be a temporary measure. There was no problems or complaints before covid when mail in votes were only restricted to genuine cases.

But now some demand it be the norm. Its usually the same people who decried that black voters were being descriminated because they were incapable of getting ID to vote.

The vast majory of voters support voter ID. Including the majority of Dems and blacks. That means getting off your backside and getting ID and to vote. It actually encourages an active participating in the process. Rather than reducing it down to no one caring to make an effort. Just a paper trail.

In Australia we have to go to a voting station. But they are everywhere an no more than a mile away from everyone in every place. We also get fined for not voting. Yet no one complains and it works fine. We know the results the same night or at worst the next day.

Hans Blaster said:

Additionally there is a specific reason why Democratic leaning voters in the whole state put off deciding until late and therefore turned in very large numbers of "drop box" ballots: the crowded field for governor. GOP voters had largely converged on one candidate and put most of their votes into getting him on the November ballot. (California has an awful top-2, all-party primary where two members of the same party can be the only candidates on the November ballot as will be the case for at least 2 US HoR seats for the Dems and 1 for the GOP.) There were more Dem candidates and the field had been thrown into disarray when one of the leaders in the polls was outed as a sex pest a couple months ago. Dem voters clearly put off making decisions so they could vote strategically and pick the most viable alternative to their favored candidate if they were polling low. This meant a lot of ballots were cast in the "late count" group and were more llkely to be from left-leaning voters.

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Even the idea that all Dem candidates can run for reelection deminishes the democratic idea that both parties should be equally available for reelection. If the State organises itself and controls info and ability to not get voted out then thats more or less dictating power. Which maybe one reason why they have been allowed to stay in control despite mismanaging things.

Hans Blaster said:

None of this has anything to do with anything even if it were true.

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Of course its relevant. I just explain how a party can stay in power despite mismanaging things. Thats why they are voted out so that someone else can have a go.

But it seems the Dems have managed to stay in for a long time despite mismangement, fraud and all the horrible social problems that have escalated. Not to mention the massive spending and debt which has not made any difference.

All these markers are why governments are voted out. Its how the system is designed so that those who fail get put out to allow someone different.

Pommer said:

Ballots are mailed to people who have registered to obtain one.

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Not in all cases! That would be what should be expected but that is not what has happened in many instances.
Chat GPT: “California law requires county election officials to mail a ballot to every active registered voter before statewide elections. Active registered voters automatically receive a vote-by-mail ballot whether they requested one or not.”

RDKirk said:

That's your opinion.

How ballots are handled is constitutionally a state power.

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In California every registered voter receives a mail in ballot whether requested or not. California is currently fighting the audit of voter rolls by federal authorities. At the very least it appears they have something to hide. The current requirements for ID needed to register in California are very slack and will not prevent ineligible people from registering.

comana said:

Who cares what reason a person has for wanting a mail in ballot. And laziness? Come on, just not voting at all could be called lazy, but taking the time to vote by mail is not laziness.

My experience is with Colorado. It’s not random mailing of ballots, all registered voters receive a ballot by mail. There are multiple options on how to return it- mail, drop box, in person, also available is in person voting at a polling location. How “lazy” of my state to give ample time and opportunity to vote. What a travesty to increase voter participation.

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As in California your state sends mail-in ballots to every registered voter. What a great system to verify who actually filled out the ballot and who actually returned it. No chance for fraud there, great job Colorado.

GoldenBoy89 said:

It's only been one week and there's about 90% of the votes counted with the top two winning candidates, Democrat Xavier Becerra and Republican Steve Hilton, already anounced as of today. There's nothing suspiscous about this election.

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Thats good as now people have a destinct choice. But I was referring to the mayor election. As far as I know that is still being counted. Thats because 80% are mail in votes.

But I think Nithya Raman is catching Pratt and so it looks like it might ne between two Dems. Oh well better luck next time.

GoldenBoy89 said:

The only reason some people are having any doubts is due to bad actors like our president sowing these doubts.

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Its more about election integrity I think. Not that it follows that fraud is being committed. But that the look and system is more subject to such opportunities.

As opposed to a more regulated one that had clear ID and turning up to prove who you are to vote. Which would be the closest to ensuring a fair and secure system.

When you consider the slack and fraudulant systems already been discovered in some Dem States (including California). Though it doesn't necessarily mean the voting system may also suffer from something similar. Which is really a lack of guardrails. It doesn't instill confidence that everything is above board.

Especially as I premised that usually in a democracy we see a sharing of opposing parties in power which balances things out. Especially that it seems that California has massive problems that are not being addressed or properly addressed. because things are getting worse.

Thats usually when the party is rejected if there is a fair balance of both parties in a democracy. Otherwise if the Dems remain for another decade and things get worse. Then that seems undemocratic.

But then States are able to set up in ways that bring like minded people which will vote for them anyway. So I guess if the system allows that then people will exploit it.