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Can real saints in heaven go back to earth?

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The gospel from Genesis to Revelation teaches two resurrections. It never said in the gospel that man is going to heaven where the Father is located. God is coming to Earth, New Jerusalem is going to be on Earth.

John 3: 12 - 13
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.


Revelation 21: 1 - 2

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.


Heaven is coming to you, you don't go to it. You say it in the Our Father's prayer all the time. Our Father who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name,

Thy Kingdom come.


Hope that helps have a good day.
 
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The gospel from Genesis to Revelation teaches two resurrections. It never said in the gospel that man is going to heaven where the Father is located. God is coming to Earth, New Jerusalem is going to be on Earth.

John 3: 12 - 13
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.


Revelation 21: 1 - 2
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.


Heaven is coming to you, you don't go to it. You say it in the Our Father's prayer all the time. Our Father who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name,

Thy Kingdom come.


Hope that helps have a good day.
I still don't quite understand. What does it mean that there are two different resurrections? Doesn't it have to do with the 'particular' and 'the Last Judgment'?
 
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I still don't quite understand. What does it mean that there are two different resurrections? Doesn't it have to do with the 'particular' and 'the Last Judgment'?
There is the 1st resurrection and then there is the second resurrection which is the white throne judgement. Let's head to the scriptures.

Revelation 20: 1 - 3
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


So a bit of context, Jesus came to Earth and threw the Beast and the False Prophet directly into the lake of fire they did not even get judged. Now since Jesus is here he can't have Satan going around deceiving people so he threw Satan in a bottomless pit. People will be able to go and see Satan in that pit and look at what they will say:

Isaiah 14: 12 - 16
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

Anyway I don't want to rant too much about that let's go back to Revelation to see the resurrection.

Revelation 20: 4 - 6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection
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6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

These are the people who met Christ in the air in 1 Thessalonians 4: 13 - 17. After the met Christ in the air Christ continued his pathway coming to Earth where he set up thrones for them and they ruled with Christ 1000 years. That's the 1st resurrection. Now let's go look at the second.

Revelation 20: 7 - 15
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Alright so Satan is let go out of the pit and he goes out and do what he does best and deceives people. Then after he does this he goes into the lake of fire. Side note, it's crazy that man beat Satan to the lake of fire.


Anyway people who were not raised out of the dust will be resurrected this would be 2nd resurrection. Unlike the 1st resurrection people who are the second resurrection will be judged according to their works.
 
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There is the 1st resurrection and then there is the second resurrection which is the white throne judgement. Let's head to the scriptures.

Revelation 20: 1 - 3
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


So a bit of context, Jesus came to Earth and threw the Beast and the False Prophet directly into the lake of fire they did not even get judged. Now since Jesus is here he can't have Satan going around deceiving people so he threw Satan in a bottomless pit. People will be able to go and see Satan in that pit and look at what they will say:

Isaiah 14: 12 - 16
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

Anyway I don't want to rant too much about that let's go back to Revelation to see the resurrection.

Revelation 20: 4 - 6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection
.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

These are the people who met Christ in the air in 1 Thessalonians 4: 13 - 17. After the met Christ in the air Christ continued his pathway coming to Earth where he set up thrones for them and they ruled with Christ 1000 years. That's the 1st resurrection. Now let's go look at the second.

Revelation 20: 7 - 15
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Alright so Satan is let go out of the pit and he goes out and do what he does best and deceives people. Then after he does this he goes into the lake of fire. Side note, it's crazy that man beat Satan to the lake of fire.


Anyway people who were not raised out of the dust will be resurrected this would be 2nd resurrection. Unlike the 1st resurrection people who are the second resurrection will be judged according to their works.
Yes.
Two questions:
1. Who is the False prophet?
2. When is 1000-year reign of Christ? And it spoke of people who were beheaded for Christ that were the only people in the 1st Resurrection, then that means martyrs who have the highest honor which is nothing like us mortals.
 
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Two questions:
1. Who is the False prophet?
2. When is 1000-year reign of Christ? And it spoke of people who were beheaded for Christ that were the only people in the 1st Resurrection, then that means martyrs who have the highest honor which is nothing like us mortals.
Well let's deal with the first question and let the bible answer that question.

Daniel 7: 7 - 8
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things
.

So when Daniel saw the 4th beast it scared him. This beast was different from the 3 beast before it. The 1st three beast were political powers but this final beast is a political and religious power. Now a little horn came up and removed three horns of this beast. This little horn is the false prophet i.e the Pope of Rome.

In fact this little horn will work together with the beast (the political head) to bring about the great tribulation and they will deceive many people. Hence why the LORD cast both of them into the lake of fire when comes to the Earth.

Revelation 17: 1 - 2, 5, 8 - 10
17 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters:

2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.


You are considered drunk if you believe the doctrine that comes from this harlot.

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

Literally written on her forehead so the only reason why people can't see is because they don't want to.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.


There is only ONE place on this entire Earth that has a city surrounded by 7 mountains........VATICAN CITY.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Remember 3 horns were plucked up by the roots in Daniel the 7 chapter. So in Revelation 17 it is saying 7 remained. Five are dead, and one is currently ruling and one (the beast) is yet to come. The one who was currently ruling is referring to Benito Mussolini and he is dead. Which means the end of the world is literally right around the corner, the last world ruler is right around the corner. Whoever he is will rule with the Pope (false prophet).

Matthew 24: 15
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

We just read Daniel so we know it's referring to the Pope who the whole world think is holy. So he is going to go into the holy place that the Jewish people will build. I will post again to answer the 2nd question.
And I don't understand how your answer relates to Catholic theology. I guess it would be a more useful framework for me where it to be explained that way.
I was raised Catholic so I am aware of some of their doctrine since I practiced it most my life like anyone else. I gave you a biblical answer because I am a bible Christian. You would need to ask Catholic about their teachings but they do teach that people go to heaven. They use Elijah with the chariots of fire and Paul's writing.
 
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2. When is 1000-year reign of Christ? And it spoke of people who were beheaded for Christ that were the only people in the 1st Resurrection, then that means martyrs who have the highest honor which is nothing like us mortals.
The 1000 year reign of Christ is directly after the great tribulation. Obviously we don't know when Christ is coming we can only look for the signs he gave us in Matthew the 24th chapter, make sure you read that chapter if you haven't already.

One of the biggest sign that will bring forth the end of the world is in verse 14

Matthew 24: 14
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

The gospel of the kingdom has not yet been preached to all nations. This is because the harlot who sits upon many waters (which represent peoples) teaches contrary to the true gospel.

Many believe they go to heaven or to the lake of fire when they die, but that is not found in Scripture. The dead go to the ground until Christ returns. People are teaching against God’s commandments, this forum alone is filled with those who oppose keeping His holy laws. Yet Jesus said it shall be a witness; whether or not you believe the truth, it will either help you or testify against you.

In fact, many think they are already saved because of false doctrine. That is why the whole world is drunk with the wine of deception. I heard all those things when I was in the Baptist, S.D.A., and Methodist churches. If the gospel were truly taught, the end would have already come. People don’t even know what the mark of the beast is, so they call everything the mark and overthrow the faith of many through lies.

Since we don’t know when the Great Tribulation will begin, it amazes me when people say, “Christ can come any day.” That is false information. The Great Tribulation MUST happen according to Scripture to awaken people. Paul tells us this.

2 Thessalonians 2: 1 - 8
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

Like I cannot stress this enough, Christ is coming here. We need to get through his kingdom before the Father's kingdom come here

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us,
as that the day of Christ is at hand.

People is saying don't believe that Christ can come even if he himself said it. Yet people open their mouths all the time saying Christ can come any day so when will Christ come then???

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The man of sin is the beast that we discussed already who will come after Benito. So unless he shows up Christ coming back is literally impossible.

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming
:

The LORD is coming to destroy him. There dozens of scripture saying Christ will come yet preachers keep putting people in Heaven and that's how I know the true gospel has not been preached to the whole world. Anyway Christ will grab the beast (the man of sin) and the false prophet and throw them both into the Lake of fire which we read already.

Hope this answer your question.
 
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And I don't understand how your answer relates to Catholic theology. I guess it would be a more useful framework for me where it to be explained that way.
If you only want a Catholic answer, you should ask this in the Catholic section.

Here is a link to that board.

 
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After you have died and gone to Heaven, become a saint, can you go back to Earth?
Hello Headphones777, I believe that Christians "become" saints when we are saved/while we are still on Earth, on this side of the grave, yes? .. e.g. Psalm 16:3, Psalm 97:10, Matthew 27:51-52, Ephesians 4:11-12, Revelation 5:8.

As far as the saints who have already died and gone to Heaven to be with the Lord (e.g. Revelation 6:9-11 cf 2 Corinthians 5:1-9, Philippians 1:21-26), I don't believe that we know of any who have returned, do we?

Does the Bible perhaps tell us that any will do so in the future?

As far as what we know, Moses and Elijah returned in a vision on top of the Mount of Transfiguration .. e.g. Matthew 17:1-8, and it is believed that Elijah will return "bodily" someday, perhaps as one of the two witnesses in the Book of Revelation .. e.g. Revelation 11:3? Also, the Bible tells us that John the Baptist preceded the Lord to prepare the way for Him, "in the spirit and power of Elijah", but that hardly means that Elijah 'himself' had actually returned.

So (save the Lord Himself and possibly the two witnesses in Revelation .. Enoch & Elijah, or perhaps Moses or others??), I don't believe that anyone who has been to Heaven will ever come back here again (until the time of the Lord's 2nd Coming & their bodily resurrection from the grave).

God bless you!!

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After you have died and gone to Heaven, become a saint, can you go back to Earth?
They say Heaven is all that is good on Earth, plus even more good... well, why wouldn't Earth be included in the total good of Heaven?
I have replied to this on the other thread where you asked exactly the same question.
 
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