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South Carolina store owner acquitted of murder in 2023 killing of Black teen

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I have not seen an example of someone with zero prejudices. Some people have learned to push their prejudices aside quickly, though.
Every one has subconscious bias but that is not the same as racial prejudice. It’s problematic to start with a presumption of prejudice when no evidence it present. The one that I see making it about race in this case is the prosecutor. Maybe he thought he could get a political win among the black population.
 
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Every one has subconscious bias but that is not the same as racial prejudice. It’s problematic to start with a presumption of prejudice when no evidence it present. The one that I see making it about race in this case is the prosecutor. Maybe he thought he could get a political win among the black population.
It's not always just a racial prejudice.

I was in a DC federal jury once where a large black man was accused of beating up a black woman police officer. In the jury room, a black woman juror said point-blank at the beginning of deliberation that she thought the woman police officer looked "manly" anyway and deserved it.

A white woman juror about my age announced she would never, ever convict anyone of beating up a cop...and took her knitting out of her purse.
 
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A fine hypothetical, but what about the actual situation we're discussing, where it seems that 2 & 3 don't apply and the kid was running away and pursued?
As you may have noticed, I wasn't responding to you.
 
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You don't listen very well. I'm glad that it's not likely you'll ever be on any jury that I might be involved with.
I listened to what you said. You said, "Wrong. They have that right only if a reasonable person would think so."

Show me which part of your statement I misquoted.
 
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Not true.

The law recognizes that some people are absurd in their fears. Ultimately, it's going to be whether the threat is considered reasonable by general standards, not by your own standards.
Then any cop on the street would be considered unreasonable by the standard that is used here, because if you pull a gun out on a cop, you are going to get shot by the cop, and any judge would rule in favor of the cop. Store owners that are facing the same situation have the right to defend themselves as well. The jury in this case clearly thought so.
 
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Then any cop on the street would be considered unreasonable by the standard that is used here, because if you pull a gun out on a cop, you are going to get shot by the cop, and any judge would rule in favor of the cop. Store owners that are facing the same situation have the right to defend themselves as well. The jury in this case clearly thought so.
Cops go under a very different set of rules.

You, as a private citizen, will not get away with what a cop gets away with.
 
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That tells me he was energized by anger rather than fear--an intention to make a point and send a message.
Not really. Having gone through many previous encounters like this and not having shot anyone indicates he had plenty of self-control. This case was more life-threatening and required action. If it was simply a case of the kid running away and the guy running after him and shooting him, the trial would not have lasted as long as it did.
 
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It's not always just a racial prejudice.

I was in a DC federal jury once where a large black man was accused of beating up a black woman police officer. In the jury room, a black woman juror said point-blank at the beginning of deliberation that she thought the woman police officer looked "manly" anyway and deserved it.

A white woman juror about my age announced she would never, ever convict anyone of beating up a cop...and took her knitting out of her purse.
Ok but how does this explains your statement that if the shop owner was black then he would have been convicted. I’m still at a loss as to what in this trial gave you that idea.
 
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Not really. Having gone through many previous encounters like this and not having shot anyone indicates he had plenty of self-control.
Actually, he has.

According to an incident report from 2015, Chow stated a woman walked into his store took cases of beer and another item, and then left the store without paying.

Chow then followed behind her and confronted her in the parking lot. That was then followed by a struggle over the groceries before the woman threatened to shoot Chow.

After the fight, the woman got into a car with an unidentified male. The two drove off and then returned to the gas station before Chow fired six shots at the car.

In an incident from 2018, Chow claimed he watched a man come into the store take a $6 can of Easy-Off off the shelf and tuck it in his clothing. Chow then followed the man out of the store demanding for the item back.

Ultimately Chow was hit in the face by the man, before pulling his gun and firing two shots at him. One bullet struck him in the leg.

Surveillance footage from an incident in 2013, that WIS reported on, shows two men stealing cases of beer from the gas station.

WIS reported then that the suspects ran out of the gas station while Chow chased behind them. The men then got into a vehicle waiting in the parking lot and Chow fired three shots at the car as it drove away.
 
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Actually, he has.

According to an incident report from 2015, Chow stated a woman walked into his store took cases of beer and another item, and then left the store without paying.

Chow then followed behind her and confronted her in the parking lot. That was then followed by a struggle over the groceries before the woman threatened to shoot Chow.

After the fight, the woman got into a car with an unidentified male. The two drove off and then returned to the gas station before Chow fired six shots at the car.

In an incident from 2018, Chow claimed he watched a man come into the store take a $6 can of Easy-Off off the shelf and tuck it in his clothing. Chow then followed the man out of the store demanding for the item back.

Ultimately Chow was hit in the face by the man, before pulling his gun and firing two shots at him. One bullet struck him in the leg.

Surveillance footage from an incident in 2013, that WIS reported on, shows two men stealing cases of beer from the gas station.

WIS reported then that the suspects ran out of the gas station while Chow chased behind them. The men then got into a vehicle waiting in the parking lot and Chow fired three shots at the car as it drove away.
Sounds like Chow must be the bad guy then. All these people wouldn't be stealing from him and trying to take his life if he didn't do something to bring it upon himself, like trying to run a business.
 
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Ok but how does this explains your statement that if the shop owner was black then he would have been convicted. I’m still at a loss as to what in this trial gave you that idea.
You seemed to think it would be about only cross-race prejudice.
 
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Sounds like Chow must be the bad guy then. All these people wouldn't be stealing from him and trying to take his life if he didn't do something to bring it upon himself, like trying to run a business.
Now you're deflecting, having been proven wrong that Chow has never shot at anyone before.
 
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Now you're deflecting, having been proven wrong that Chow has never shot at anyone before.
How's that deflecting? I simply modified my stance based on the new information provided.
 
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You seemed to think it would be about only cross-race prejudice.
I’m just trying to understand your statement in light of this trial. I haven’t even mentioned cross-race prejudice. You seem to think that given the racial makeup up of this jury the black jurors would convict a black store owner simply because he is black. There is no basis for this conclusion.
 
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With this new information, how do you rate his self-control and gun management?
Considering that he only used a firearm to defend himself a few times, I'd say he's doing pretty well when considering how many other incidents he has had to deal with.
It sure would be nice if his customers would learn to do business with him in a neighborly way instead of trying to steal everything and then commit assault or attempted murder when they are caught. The parents of the kids there don't seem to be teaching them very well.
 
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Actually, he has.

According to an incident report from 2015, Chow stated a woman walked into his store took cases of beer and another item, and then left the store without paying.

Chow then followed behind her and confronted her in the parking lot. That was then followed by a struggle over the groceries before the woman threatened to shoot Chow.

After the fight, the woman got into a car with an unidentified male. The two drove off and then returned to the gas station before Chow fired six shots at the car.

In an incident from 2018, Chow claimed he watched a man come into the store take a $6 can of Easy-Off off the shelf and tuck it in his clothing. Chow then followed the man out of the store demanding for the item back.

Ultimately Chow was hit in the face by the man, before pulling his gun and firing two shots at him. One bullet struck him in the leg.

Surveillance footage from an incident in 2013, that WIS reported on, shows two men stealing cases of beer from the gas station.

WIS reported then that the suspects ran out of the gas station while Chow chased behind them. The men then got into a vehicle waiting in the parking lot and Chow fired three shots at the car as it drove away.
In your research, did you find any cases filed against him for discharging his weapon, firing into a moving vehicle, or any other related charge? Any convictions?
 
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I’m just trying to understand your statement in light of this trial. I haven’t even mentioned cross-race prejudice. You seem to think that given the racial makeup up of this jury the black jurors would convict a black store owner simply because he is black. There is no basis for this conclusion.
If they were white, it would make front page news that a non-black guy was acquitted of murdering a black.
 
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In your research, did you find any cases filed against him for discharging his weapon, firing into a moving vehicle, or any other related charge? Any convictions?
The link covers that.
 
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I listened to what you said. You said, "Wrong. They have that right only if a reasonable person would think so."

Show me which part of your statement I misquoted.
You don't even listen to yourself very well.
 
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