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Trump live updates: President expands ‘narco’ boat strikes to Pacific Ocean as 8th boat is struck

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Last year, synthetic opioids—primarily fentanyl—accounted for 60% of all overdose deaths in the United States. That’s about 48,000 people.

Setting aside that there are good arguments that these extrajudicial killings are crimes against humanity...
[i.e. two wrongs don't make a right]

"Most of the illicit drug is coming across U.S. borders in passenger vehicles."
 
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Last year, synthetic opioids—primarily fentanyl—accounted for 60% of all overdose deaths in the United States. That’s about 48,000 people.
So therefore...what? What argument are you making here? Spell it out, because I sure don't want to think that you mean that the ex judiciary
killing of people who are suspected of supplying drugs is acceptable.
 
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Setting aside that there are good arguments that these extrajudicial killings are crimes against humanity...
[i.e. two wrongs don't make a right]

"Most of the illicit drug is coming across U.S. borders in passenger vehicles."
So are saying the military should first seek judicial approval before conducting operations involving force?
 
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Gee what choice do we really have except to kill everyone that transports illicit narcotics?
The cartels received incredible sums of money during the Biden administration due to human trafficking. They now have drones and advanced weapons, and they have gained a stronger foothold through a border that was far too open. Their brutality is a known factor. Hundreds of thousands of Americans are dead as a result of drugs smuggled in by cartels. They have properly been designated as terrorist organizations.
 
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So are saying the military should first seek judicial approval before conducting operations involving force?
One, you are not at war with those being killed. So yes, proper judicial processes must be applied, else you could gun down or blow up any people suspected of dealing drugs. You are lucky enough to live in a country where that is not meant to happen.

And two, if someone wants to make the risible argument that you are at war then actions by the military will be governed by rules of engagement and the Geneva Convention. So for example, killing people clinging to a badly damaged boat is a war crime.
 
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The cartels received incredible sums of money during the Biden administration due to human trafficking. They now have drones and advanced weapons, and they have gained a stronger foothold through a border that was far too open. Their brutality is a known factor. Hundreds of thousands of Americans are dead as a result of drugs smuggled in by cartels. They have properly been designated as terrorist organizations.
Gee, I must have missed the part of the Article Two in the Constitution that authorizes the Chief Executive to go kill bad guys.
 
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Gee, I must have missed the part of the Article Two in the Constitution that authorizes the Chief Executive to go kill bad guys.

Reading is fundamental.
 
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Gee, I must have missed the part of the Article Two in the Constitution that authorizes the Chief Executive to go kill bad guys.
It's the bit where it says: 'And the president may strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to capture and destroy our brothers, and you will know his call sign is POTUS when he lays his vengeance upon thee'.
 
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It's the bit where it says: 'And the president may strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to capture and destroy our brothers, and you will know his call sign is POTUS when he lays his vengeance upon thee'.
yea, verily
 
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So are saying the military should first seek judicial approval before conducting operations involving force?
AFAIK, it's pretty normal for our military to legally vet targets before attacking them.
 
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So are saying the military should first seek judicial approval before conducting operations involving force?

I am saying the Hegseth should follow the long established procedure for interdicting suspected drug boats. I notice the U.S. Navy essentially did just that with the Iranian cargo ship they boarded this past weekend. The Navy provided fair warning...and when the vessel did not comply, opened fire to take out it's engine.
 
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The cartels received incredible sums of money during the Biden administration due to human trafficking.
Sure, dude, sure. Why are they still in the crime business, then?
They now have drones and advanced weapons,
What "Advanced weapons" are you talking about?
and they have gained a stronger foothold through a border that was far too open.
The sea just north of South America is a long way from the US border.
Their brutality is a known factor.
What's that got to do with fishermen smuggling drugs for extra cash?
Hundreds of thousands of Americans are dead as a result of drugs smuggled in by cartels.
That's not how criminal justice works. Please return to HS and learn your civics right this time.
They have properly been designated as terrorist organizations.
LOL.
 
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Words mean what we want them to mean (e.g., terrorist). Let's call the phenomenon humpty-dumptyism. (See Lewis Carroll)
I've called that "Humpty Dumpty logic" on a number of occasions.
 
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One would think they would get the message.
The message being: 'If you are suspected of dealing in drugs whilst in International waters then we won't apprehend you, charge you and allow the judiciary to expedite due process and sentence you appropriately should you be found guilty...we'll just kill you'.

You must be so proud. But one question. Why aren't you doing this on the continental USA where any possible drugs are a lot closer to the those who would be using them? Why aren't you blowing up trucks and cars if you suspect the occupants are dealing drugs? What's with all this woke business of arresting people, gathering evidence and using the courts? Why is this administration so soft on dealers in the US just because they're not in a boat?
 
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