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RFK Jr’s CDC is delaying Covid vaccine report showing benefits of jab

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When Kennedy came out and talked about is MAHA stuff, highlighting unhealthy eating habits and dangerous additives seemed like one of the very, very few good things coming out of the current administration. But at this point, I'm convinced that this is just windowdressing and the reason for the whole maneuver is to establish that if you get sick, it's "your fault" for not eating and living healthy and you don't deserve any assistance.
 
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The people who had the reports shelved said that they had “good reasons”?
Well, that’s that then, huh.

Yes. Don't you think that a balanced report would investigate what those "good reasons" are?
 
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Or the current CDC is not exactly reliable when it comes to studies, vaccines and studies about vaccines:
Perhaps most notably, Kennedy removed all 17 members of the CDC's vaccine advisory committee and replaced them with new members, many of whom have expressed vaccine-skeptic views. Earlier this year, a federal judge stayed all votes taken by the Kennedy-nominated members, which included the removal of the universal recommendation for the hepatitis B shot at birth and to narrow existing recommendations for the combined MMRV shot that protects against measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox.​
The judge also temporarily blocked changes to the childhood vaccine schedule that were made at the beginning of this year, in which Kennedy reduced the number of recommended shots from 17 to 11.​

You're making my point for me. The 17 members of the CDC's vaccine advisory committee that were replaced were basically nothing more than yes-men for the pharmaceutical companies, never daring to say anything that could be perceived as even remotely negative about vaccines.

Vaccines are an important public health intervention. But they come with real risks that need to be acknowledged and disclosed in the interested of informed consent. The problem with this debate is that there is no room for nuance. It is framed as you're either "for" or "against" vaccines. But I would wager that there is a much more nuanced spectrum of positions and opinions held by people.

The bottom line is, when you start digging beneath the headlines and "safe and effective" soundbites, what you'll find is shoddy data making broad claims that are not generalizable to the majority of the population. It feels very intentional. Like the studies are designed to find a desired outcome, based on the methodology and denominator selections.

If this all sounds conspiratorial, it's because it is. There is an astonishing amount of money involved here, and everyone wants a piece of the pie. It's no secret that our regulatory agencies have been captured for quite some time, and the best way to stay in the good graces of the pharmaceutical companies is to publish studies that help their bottom line. Then when you retire from public service, they'll reward you with a cushy executive-level position in their organization.

This is not a new problem In August 2005, John Ioannidis published an article entitled "Why Most Published Research Findings are False".

There is increasing concern that most current published research findings are false. The probability that a research claim is true may depend on study power and bias, the number of other studies on the same question, and, importantly, the ratio of true to no relationships among the relationships probed in each scientific field. In this framework, a research finding is less likely to be true when the studies conducted in a field are smaller; when effect sizes are smaller; when there is a greater number and lesser preselection of tested relationships; where there is greater flexibility in designs, definitions, outcomes, and analytical modes; when there is greater financial and other interest and prejudice; and when more teams are involved in a scientific field in chase of statistical significance. Simulations show that for most study designs and settings, it is more likely for a research claim to be false than true. Moreover, for many current scientific fields, claimed research findings may often be simply accurate measures of the prevailing bias. In this essay, I discuss the implications of these problems for the conduct and interpretation of research.

Specifically with regard to financial conflicts, he said this:

Corollary 5: The greater the financial and other interests and prejudices in a scientific field, the less likely the research findings are to be true. Conflicts of interest and prejudice may increase bias, u. Conflicts of interest are very common in biomedical research [26], and typically they are inadequately and sparsely reported [26,27]. Prejudice may not necessarily have financial roots. Scientists in a given field may be prejudiced purely because of their belief in a scientific theory or commitment to their own findings. Many otherwise seemingly independent, university-based studies may be conducted for no other reason than to give physicians and researchers qualifications for promotion or tenure. Such nonfinancial conflicts may also lead to distorted reported results and interpretations. Prestigious investigators may suppress via the peer review process the appearance and dissemination of findings that refute their findings, thus condemning their field to perpetuate false dogma. Empirical evidence on expert opinion shows that it is extremely unreliable [28].

These are real issues. I genuinely don't understand why more people aren't concerned about them.
 
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Also from the paper linked above:

Traditionally, investigators have viewed large and highly significant effects with excitement, as signs of important discoveries. Too large and too highly significant effects may actually be more likely to be signs of large bias in most fields of modern research. They should lead investigators to careful critical thinking about what might have gone wrong with their data, analyses, and results.
So when some headline tells you that the risk of needing hospitalization is reduced by 55% if you get a COVID vaccine (a rather large and significant result),instead of leaping for joy and breathlessly reporting that the preconceived bias that COVID vaccines are super beneficial has been confirmed, perhaps the better approach is to do some "careful critical thinking" about how they arrived at such a significant result.
 
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Here's another take about the studies that were "suppressed" buy the FDA.
As Makary and his team have discovered, there are still some scientists inside the government’s health agencies who continue to do work that lacks rigor—and who then declare unjustified results. The studies that have two of the country’s most important newspapers up in arms—the sole goal of which was to show that the Covid vaccine was safe—used methodology that simply doesn’t prove what it set out to prove. They were examples of shoddy science.
For example, one of the studies looked at a group of people for six weeks—three weeks after they were vaccinated, and then another three weeks after that. If they were healthy after the second three-week period, the researchers concluded that it meant the vaccine was safe. In addition to the absurdly short length of time—six weeks to conclude the vaccine is safe?—it has an obvious and inherent bias toward healthy people, who are the most likely to get vaccinated.
Another study used an approach called “test negative”: It looked at people who came to the hospital with flu-like symptoms, some of whom had Covid and some of whom didn’t. If the group who were vaccinated had fewer people with Covid, it was supposed to mean that the vaccine worked. But in reality, it could simply mean that people who are vaccinated are more likely to show up at the hospital.
 
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Now why in the world are those trying to stem the Ebola spread in Africa wearing masks?
Everyone knows masks don't work.

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Now why in the world are those trying to stem the Ebola spread in Africa wearing masks?
Everyone knows masks don't work.

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Do you think maybe all the other PPE combined with an actual respirator could, perhaps, be just a teensy bit more effective than a mask made out of your old T-shirts? Maybe?

It's hard to believe that there are (still) people trying to equate this image of a person in proper, fitted PPE with people wearing paper masks in Walmart, as if they were in any way similar.
 
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Do you think maybe all the other PPE combined with an actual respirator could, perhaps, be just a teensy bit more effective than a mask made out of your old T-shirts?
Is that what the anti-maskers were holding out for? No.
 
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Is that what the anti-maskers were holding out for? No.

I find it fascinating that the propaganda during COVID was so effective on some people that they created the term "anti-masker" as a pejorative and still use it to this day.

The fact is, PPE serves a very real and important purpose. It always has. Wearing a surgical mask while you're shopping for groceries to prevent viral infections was NEVER one of those purposes, and was never supported by any data or real-world evidence of efficacy. It's alarming to me how many people believe propaganda over evidence.
 
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Do you think maybe all the other PPE combined with an actual respirator could, perhaps, be just a teensy bit more effective than a mask made out of your old T-shirts? Maybe?

It's hard to believe that there are (still) people trying to equate this image of a person in proper, fitted PPE with people wearing paper masks in Walmart, as if they were in any way similar.
What's hard to believe is people still think masks and social distancing had no effect during covid.
 
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Sen Bernie Sanders releases trove of internal HHS emails showing RFK Jr. pressured CDC over vaccine messaging


Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Thursday released a tranche of Health and Human Services (HHS) emails that appear to show HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. pressuring the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) over its vaccine messaging.

Emails indicate that Kennedy directed the CDC’s vaccine advisory panel to restrict access to vaccines, ... and changed recommendations for the public to receive COVID-19 shots without input from the CDC.

Other emails also show that Kennedy’s then-chief of staff, Matthew Buckham, emailed former CDC Director Susan Monarez in August 2025 about the need for a “political review of major decisions at CDC"

Less than a week later, Kennedy fired Monarez “for failing to rubber stamp recommendations from” the CDC’s vaccine panel, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, Sanders said in a statement.

The cache of emails also indicates that Kennedy directed the cancellation of flu vaccine campaigns.
 
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