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Trump Signs Order Seeking Federal Control of Mail Voting as He Promotes False Claims

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President Trump on Tuesday stepped up efforts to promote his false claims of widespread voting fraud, signing an executive order of questionable constitutionality seeking to create a national list of citizens that would determine voting eligibility and restrict mail ballots.​
Mr. Trump acknowledged that the order, which comes as a bill he has been pushing to restrict mail voting has languished in Congress, could face legal hurdles......​
The president has no explicit Constitutional authority over elections, and many aspects of the order appear difficult to enforce.​
It directs the Department of Homeland Security to create a “state citizenship list” based on data from citizenship and naturalization records, Social Security records and other federal databases.​
The order directs federal officials to send the list to state election officials, and orders the attorney general to prioritize prosecution of election officials who provide federal ballots to ineligible voters. It also directs the U.S. Postal Service not to transmit mail-in or absentee ballots from any individual not included on the “state citizenship list.”......​
“The Constitution doesn’t allow the executive to take over elections administration, that’s a job for the state legislatures or Congress, and so I don’t think this is going to pass any sort of judicial muster,” Adrian Fontes, Arizona’s secretary of state, said in an interview. “So this is a big, giant waste of time, and it’s an attention grab from the Trump administration.”​
He added: “The greatest threat to American elections is Donald Trump lying about them. Our elections are in good shape.”​

In Arizona, mail-in voting was a Republican idea. They wanted their elderly voters to be able to vote, as many could not stand in long lines or had disabilities. Trump mailed his vote in recently. It's 'okay for me but not for thee' I guess.

This, like his tariffs, will lose in court.
 

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“The Constitution doesn’t allow the executive to take over elections administration, that’s a job for the state legislatures or Congress, and so I don’t think this is going to pass any sort of judicial muster,” Adrian Fontes, Arizona’s secretary of state, said in an interview. “So this is a big, giant waste of time, and it’s an attention grab from the Trump administration.”

What every 5th grader learned....
 
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"It also directs the U.S. Postal Service not to transmit mail-in or absentee ballots from any individual not included on the “state citizenship list.”......"

This is one of the creepier bits in my book. The US Mail will just disappear ballots it deems politically incorrect.
 
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"It also directs the U.S. Postal Service not to transmit mail-in or absentee ballots from any individual not included on the “state citizenship list.”......"

This is one of the creepier bits in my book. The US Mail will just disappear ballots it deems politically incorrect.
The USPS does not have the capability to make that determination.
 
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President Trump on Tuesday stepped up efforts to promote his false claims of widespread voting fraud, signing an executive order of questionable constitutionality seeking to create a national list of citizens that would determine voting eligibility and restrict mail ballots.​
Mr. Trump acknowledged that the order, which comes as a bill he has been pushing to restrict mail voting has languished in Congress, could face legal hurdles......​
The president has no explicit Constitutional authority over elections, and many aspects of the order appear difficult to enforce.​
It directs the Department of Homeland Security to create a “state citizenship list” based on data from citizenship and naturalization records, Social Security records and other federal databases.​
The order directs federal officials to send the list to state election officials, and orders the attorney general to prioritize prosecution of election officials who provide federal ballots to ineligible voters. It also directs the U.S. Postal Service not to transmit mail-in or absentee ballots from any individual not included on the “state citizenship list.”......​
“The Constitution doesn’t allow the executive to take over elections administration, that’s a job for the state legislatures or Congress, and so I don’t think this is going to pass any sort of judicial muster,” Adrian Fontes, Arizona’s secretary of state, said in an interview. “So this is a big, giant waste of time, and it’s an attention grab from the Trump administration.”​
He added: “The greatest threat to American elections is Donald Trump lying about them. Our elections are in good shape.”​

In Arizona, mail-in voting was a Republican idea. They wanted their elderly voters to be able to vote, as many could not stand in long lines or had disabilities. Trump mailed his vote in recently. It's 'okay for me but not for thee' I guess.

This, like his tariffs, will lose in court.
There’s isn’t a lever of power President Trump won’t try to pull.
 
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Federal judge refuses to block Trump order to create federal voter list and limit mail voting

U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols, a Trump appointee in Washington, late Wednesday rejected the request by Democrats and civil rights groups that had argued Trump’s order would likely be found unconstitutional because the states and Congress, not the president, have the power to set election rules.

[The judge deemed that the process hasn't been implemented yet, so it's too soon to sue.]
 
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Federal judge refuses to block Trump order to create federal voter list and limit mail voting

U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols, a Trump appointee in Washington, late Wednesday rejected the request by Democrats and civil rights groups that had argued Trump’s order would likely be found unconstitutional because the states and Congress, not the president, have the power to set election rules.

[The judge deemed that the process hasn't been implemented yet, so it's too soon to sue.]
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Postal Service proposes requiring states to provide mail-in ballot voter lists

  • The rule follows President Donald Trump’s March elections-related executive order and comes one day after a federal judge declined to immediately block the order’s mail-voting provision.
The proposal would require states to submit to the Postal Service the names and addresses of voters receiving mail-in or absentee ballots, along with unique barcodes tied to each voter’s outbound and return ballot envelopes.

USPS said the rule would help determine how many ballots were mailed and allow officials to compare that figure with the number of ballots returned to detect potential issues for further investigation.

USPS would use the data to create state-specific “Mail-In and Absentee Participation Lists” through a new Federal Ballot Mail Portal. The proposal would also let the USPS return [i.e. not deliver] outbound federal ballot mailings that do not meet the new standards or are not tied to state-submitted voter lists.
 
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President Trump on Tuesday stepped up efforts to promote his false claims of widespread voting fraud, signing an executive order of questionable constitutionality seeking to create a national list of citizens that would determine voting eligibility and restrict mail ballots.​
Mr. Trump acknowledged that the order, which comes as a bill he has been pushing to restrict mail voting has languished in Congress, could face legal hurdles......​
The president has no explicit Constitutional authority over elections, and many aspects of the order appear difficult to enforce.​
It directs the Department of Homeland Security to create a “state citizenship list” based on data from citizenship and naturalization records, Social Security records and other federal databases.​
The order directs federal officials to send the list to state election officials, and orders the attorney general to prioritize prosecution of election officials who provide federal ballots to ineligible voters. It also directs the U.S. Postal Service not to transmit mail-in or absentee ballots from any individual not included on the “state citizenship list.”......​
“The Constitution doesn’t allow the executive to take over elections administration, that’s a job for the state legislatures or Congress, and so I don’t think this is going to pass any sort of judicial muster,” Adrian Fontes, Arizona’s secretary of state, said in an interview. “So this is a big, giant waste of time, and it’s an attention grab from the Trump administration.”​
He added: “The greatest threat to American elections is Donald Trump lying about them. Our elections are in good shape.”​

In Arizona, mail-in voting was a Republican idea. They wanted their elderly voters to be able to vote, as many could not stand in long lines or had disabilities. Trump mailed his vote in recently. It's 'okay for me but not for thee' I guess.

This, like his tariffs, will lose in court.
It is a fact that mail in voting has been misused and is an open invitation for fraud!
Jimmy Carter, Dianne Feinstein, Barack Obama, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz are just a few democrats that have in the past spoken about the potential for fraud with mail in voting.
 
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It is a fact that mail in voting has been misused and is an open invitation for fraud!

Is it?

Prove it.

What's the rate of fraud for postal voting compared to in person voting in US national elections?

Do states with mail in voting have a higher or lower rate of voting fraud than stayes which disallow the practice?

Jimmy Carter, Dianne Feinstein, Barack Obama, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz are just a few democrats that have in the past spoken about the potential for fraud with mail in voting.

POTENTIAL being the operative word here.

Have any of the above also spoken about the potential for fraud with other forms of voting?
 
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It is a fact that mail in voting has been misused and is an open invitation for fraud!
Jimmy Carter, Dianne Feinstein, Barack Obama, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz are just a few democrats that have in the past spoken about the potential for fraud with mail in voting.
My state went to universal mail in voting over a decade ago and it’s not a problem with fraud. Ballots can be mailed back or dropped in a box and all the ballots returns are tracked where voters can verify their ballot status online. There are still in person locations for the minority he prefer that.

There are already states managing mail in very well, we don’t need to reinvent the system, just follow states making it work.
 
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It is a fact that mail in voting has been misused and is an open invitation for fraud!
Jimmy Carter, Dianne Feinstein, Barack Obama, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz are just a few democrats that have in the past spoken about the potential for fraud with mail in voting.
But none of them tried to overturn elections, incite insurrections, etc.
People with platforms that benefit the 98% don't need to prevent people of color, people of limited means from voting to win.
 
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But none of them tried to overturn elections, incite insurrections, etc.
Neither did Trump that is nothing more than a liberal talking point fantasy that so many refuse to let go of.
People with platforms that benefit the 98% don't need to prevent people of color, people of limited means from voting to win.
No one is trying to prevent ANY LEGITIMATE voter from voting. That is another liberal scare tactic. In fact many voters of color switched to vote for Trump.
 
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Neither did Trump that is nothing more than a liberal talking point fantasy that so many refuse to let go of.

No one is trying to prevent ANY LEGITIMATE voter from voting. That is another liberal scare tactic. In fact many voters of color switched to vote for Trump.
You don't need to reiterate Trump talking points and propaganda to me.

If I had allowed the wool to be pulled over my eyes I'd at least have the grace to feel sheepish about it.
 
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Neither did Trump that is nothing more than a liberal talking point fantasy that so many refuse to let go of.
How was the “Stop the Steal” rally not a jumping off point for shenanigans?
Please enjoy being willfully ignorant of the facts of the matter.

No one is trying to prevent ANY LEGITIMATE voter from voting. That is another liberal scare tactic. In fact many voters of color switched to vote for Trump.
How many elections have you worked that gives you the expertise that we’re relying upon?
 
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