Agenda 2030 - Is Communism Sinful?

I'll throw a spanner into the works, but to begin with I don't hear people talking about this in church. I'm Catholic, and Catholics don't generally wander down eschatological rabbit holes. It tends to be a Protestant phenomena.

Having said that I believe the Mark of the Beast will be a silicon chip which can be implanted in hand or forehead, "without which no-one could buy or sell". That's the key criteria.

We're not far from that now, with some people having medical implants and others having chips which can open doors and so on. The world wide web is gradually making cash redundant, and "they" know exactly where and when you spent your money, how much you've got in the bank etc.

If AI can pin point almost any information we request in a matter of seconds, keeping track of our transactions would be childs play.

I don't think we can necessarily lump that in with communism. It is the capitalist west which has most strongly engineered this development.

My late presbyterian pastor, whom I often quote, was conservative to his bootlaces. I doubt if he ever voted ALP in his life (Australian Labor Party, probably close to the Democrats in ethos).

Yet he said to me once in the privacy of his office "I think Communism was God's idea, given through a Jew." Then he quoted "From every man according to ability; to every man according to need." He continues "It's got a Biblical ring about it!"

He added "But the devil got hold of it first! You'd never get the churches to believe in it now!"

At it's core it was meant to be a system for the egalitarian distribution of goods in an industrial society. But the hardline Bolsheviks won through, led by Lenin and later Stalin. The devil got his men in place and his work followed - purges, violent revolution everywhere, the NKVD andn KGB, the gulags, milliions murdered in the Soviet Union, in the East, in Cambodia and the killing fields.

The devil got hold of it first. But because the Americans, who as a people are independent to their core, were the most involved in fighting the Cold War and proxy hot wars (Korea, Vietnam, Cuban missile crisis), communism was labelled as evil in its own right.

The devil discredited it through his human agents.

Bob Crowley said:

I'll throw a spanner into the works, but to begin with I don't hear people talking about this in church. I'm Catholic, and Catholics don't generally wander down eschatological rabbit holes. It tends to be a Protestant phenomena.

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I've never heard this being talked about at my church either, and I am a member of an independent evangelical church, not a Roman Catholic. Our attention tends to be on eternal things, not on what one hymn-writer called "this passing world." (I don't mean by that that a Christian should have no interest in politics!)

Is Communism Sinful?

Any form of government will work with perfect people. The framers of the US Constitution were aware of many human foibles and attempted to construct a form of government that would prevent the worst of human failings to destroy it.

Communism is not so much sinful as it is naive. The pilgrims tried it and many died of starvation. At least China was smart enough not to keep it pure. They have managed to sort of make it work by adding capitalism.

The solution to our problems is not the right form of government, but Jesus Christ and walking by his Spirit.

Agenda 2030 is what happens when you spend all your energy on things that don't move the needle while greedy people do otherwise. You're unlikely to see the subject come up outside of homesteading, prepping or conspiracy circles. In respect to whether communism is sinful or not, I've never given it thought and it's one of the ways I differ on subjects like this. Sinfulness won't alter the bottom line and that's what I focus on.

When someone tells you during a global crisis you'll own nothing and be happy and comes back with a second message regarding a 'great reset' in 2030. Your commonsense should register it isn't normal or the message one conveys during a period of uncertainty when deaths occur. If you look at the statements together they form bookends. You're given a decade before the shift occurs and you're debating sinfulness?

One of the things I've noticed from those who took it serious was a pivot away from discourse. We're not discussing it, what we've heard or what we're doing for the most part. There's an air of monk mode as the date looms near. No one believes you have that time frame and most are taking steps like you don't. There should be greater emphasis on what's being done that what one should do at this stage.

~bella

For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin. The kingdom of the world will become the kingdom of our Lord and he shall reign forever. These ideologies will crumble. Why align yourself with the dust? Faith in Christ alone.

jx7 said:

Do you believe that accepting CBDCs means accepting the mark of the beast?

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CBDC > central bank digital currency > no, I do not think this is the mark of the beast.

One thing > if Satan has a world order . . . this would include all people . . . including people in back jungle cultures . . . who do not have a clue what digital-anything is.

jx7 said:

Agenda 2030 is fundamentally totalitarian. To justify surveillance and less human rights, people are being manipulated. They are told that they have caused a climate crisis.

The propaganda also claims that this fake climate crisis will lead to severe pandemics. It’s a setup for a totalitarian communist system where little human rights remain.
You might remember that during Covid they said cash was dangerous and could spread infection.

Do people in your church community talk about this? Do you believe that accepting CBDCs means accepting the mark of the beast?

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Sounds like someone would have a problem with heaven.

What in Agenda 2030 is totalitarian?

All thos ceomes from the Revelation, right? Does anyone else remember to whom the Revelation was written?

What is Agenda 2030?

dms1972 said:

What is Agenda 2030?

What Is Agenda 2030? Goals, Governance, and Misconceptions

A clear look at what Agenda 2030 actually is, how its 17 goals work in practice, and why many common claims about it don’t hold up.

legalclarity.org

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Thank you.

I had never heard of it and was going to ask, "What is it?"

No, have not heard it discussed in church. I suspect that (like me) many are unfamiliar with it.