1 Corinthians 13:10, the Perfect Thing to Come, the Glory of God in the Face of Christ, like lightening Around the Whole World.

GoldenKingGaze · May 8, 2026

Jesus taught in Matthew 24:26,27,30 that His second coming would be with great power and like lightening, the world will not see Him on TV or as a man in the sky... but 2 Corinthians 4:6,7 the glory of God in the face of Christ will cover the whole world. I am sure this is what Paul referred to with the Greek word "Teleios" in 1 Corinthians 13:8,9,10 the perfect thing is the glory of God in the face of Christ. And 1 Corinthians 13:12 is only possible when Christ returns, to fully know as Christ knows. That will take His light, glory and power. It is certainly not the complete Bible as cessationists misunderstand it to be.

When He comes, there will no longer be a need for knowledge by the gift of the Spirit, or prophecy... for God Himself will be there.

keras · May 8, 2026

GoldenKingGaze said:
Jesus taught in Matthew 24:26,27,30 that His second coming would be with great power and like lightening, the world will not see Him on TV or as a man in the sky

Matthew 24:21-28, is BEFORE Jesus Returns, Proved by verse 26 When that time of distress has passed......
It is another of the 100+ Prophesies about the great and terrible Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster whch will set the scene for the One World Govt and the rise of the Anti-Christ.
Years later; the glorious Return will be seen by all. Rev 1:7 and as described in Rev 19:11-21

GoldenKingGaze said:
When He comes, there will no longer be a need for knowledge by the gift of the Spirit, or prophecy... for God Himself will be there.

God does not come to dwell with mankind until after the Millennium; 1 Corinthians 15:24 & Revelation 21:1-7

GoldenKingGaze · May 8, 2026

keras said:
Matthew 24:21-28, is BEFORE Jesus Returns, Proved by verse 26 When that time of distress has passed......
It is another of the 100+ Prophesies about the great and terrible Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster whch will set the scene for the One World Govt and the rise of the Anti-Christ.
Years later; the glorious Return will be seen by all. Rev 1:7 and as described in Rev 19:11-21

God does not come to dwell with mankind until after the Millennium; 1 Corinthians 15:24 & Revelation 21:1-7

Verse 26 does not say "when that day has passed."

During the millennium, Christ rules.

keras · May 8, 2026

GoldenKingGaze said:
Verse 26 does not say "when that day has passed."

That is because Jesus Returns after the Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls, but the first event will be the Sixth Seal Day of the Lord's fiery wrath.

GoldenKingGaze · May 9, 2026

2 Thessalonians 2:5-9 NKJV
5Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7For the [d]mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only [e]He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,

The brightness of His coming is the glory of God in the face of Christ, that lights up east and west around the globe and so ceases the gifts of prophecy and knowledge... then we fully know as in 1 Corinthians 13:8-13 KJV
8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13

Jesus second coming, ends the mark of the beast reign.

SavedByGrace3 · May 13, 2026

1 Corinthians 12:29 belongs to chapter 13. The thought should be included as a controlling context of Chapter 13.

1Co 12:31 But covet the best gifts earnestly: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

What is the subject being addressed by this verse?
First, it is an important instruction. Paul is telling the Corinthians to do a certain thing in a certain way. "Covet Earnestly the best gifts."
The literal is clearer.
"But zealously strive after the better gifts."
Other translations include the concepts of "envious" and "jealous."
If the verse stopped there, what would you come away with?
We are to desire "the better gifts."
How are we to strive for the better gifts?
We are to zealously strive for them.
In context, what is the verse telling us to do?
It is telling us both what to desire and the way to desire it.
He suggests that one way to obtain the best gifts is to "covet" or "zealously strive."
But then he states there is a better WAY to get the best gifts.
"I will show you a more excellent way to do it."
A more excellent way to do what?
A more excellent way to get the best gifts.
Keep that context in mind as you read the rest of the verse. He is telling us a better WAY to get the best gifts.
"...and yet shew I unto you a more excellent WAY. "

So this is key:
He is going to reveal to us a better WAY than coveting to get the best gifts.
He is not going to reveal a THING better than the best gifts. That is a huge error.
He is not saying that love is better than gifts!
He is going to reveal a better WAY to get the best gifts.
Keep that in mind as you proceed to the next chapter.
In no way is Paul telling us that Love is better than the gifts.
Paul is telling us that Love is the better WAY than coveting to get the best gifts.

Robert's Word Pictures points this out:

"And a still more excellent way (kai eti kath' huperbolēn hodon). In order to gain the greater gifts. “I show you a way par excellence,” beyond all comparison (superlative idea in this adjunct, not comparative), like kath' huperbolēn eis huperbolēn (2Co_4:17). Huperbolē is old word from huperballō, to throw beyond, to surpass, to excel (2Co_3:10; Eph_1:19). “I show you a supremely excellent way.” Chapter 1Co_13:1-13 is this way, the way of love already laid down in 1Co_8:1 concerning the question of meats offered to idols (cf. 1Jo_4:7). Poor division of chapters here. This verse belongs with chapter 1Co_13:1-13."
Note on 13:1
"But have not love (agapēn de mē echō). This is the crux of the chapter. Love is the way par excellence of 1Co_12:31."

Vincent's Word Studies also points this out:
Way
To attain the higher gifts.

So if you read chapter 13 in the context of "way" (love way better than coveting way) rather than "thing" (love better than gifts), you get the truth.
Which "WAY" benefits you and the church par excellence?
The love (way) benefits you (and the church) more than coveting (way).
1Co 13:1 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels (by the coveting way), but I do not have love, I have become as sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And if I have prophecies (by the coveting way), and know all mysteries (by the coveting way), and all knowledge( by the coveting way), and if I have all faith so as to move mountains (by the coveting way), but do not have love, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And if I give out all my goods (by the coveting way), and if I deliver my body that I be burned(by the coveting way), but I do not have love, I am not profited anything.
1Co 13:4 Love (unlike coveting) has patience, is kind; love is not envious (like coveting); love is not vain (like coveting), is not puffed up (like coveting);
1Co 13:5 does not behave indecently (like coveting), does not pursue its own things (like coveting), is not easily provoked (like coveting), thinks no evil (like coveting);
1Co 13:6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness (like coveting), but rejoices in the truth.
1Co 13:7 (Unlike coveting,) Love quietly covers all things, (Unlike coveting, love) believes all things, (Unlike coveting, love) hopes all things, (Unlike coveting, love) endures all things.
1Co 13:8 (Unlike coveting,) Love never fails. But if there are prophecies (derived by coveting), they will be caused to cease; if tongues (derived by coveting), they shall cease; if knowledge (derived by coveting), it will be caused to cease.
1Co 13:9 For (in coveting) we know in part, and (in coveting) we prophesy in part;
1Co 13:10 but when the perfect thing (the love way) comes, then that which is in part (the coveting way) will be caused to cease.
1Co 13:11 When I was an (coveting) infant, I spoke as an (coveting) infant, I thought as an (coveting) infant, I reasoned as an (coveting) infant. But when I became a (love) man, I caused to cease the (immature) things of the infant.
1Co 13:12 For now we see through a mirror in dimness, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I will fully know even as I also was fully known.
1Co 13:13 And now faith, hope, and love, these three things remain; but the greatest of these is love.

In conclusion, the cessationist argument falls flat once you realize that Paul is not saying Love is better than Gifts. Rather, love is the better way than coveting to get the best gifts. Once the mature Love-driven man comes into his own, all the immaturity and failure of the baby-coveting child will be done away with, simply because the man has grown up. Grown up into love. This is the love-driven mature man of the parallel passage in Eph 4. He, Paul, specifically states that the best gifts will come into reality when the love way, the mature way, the perfect way of love is manifested.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

That is the perfect mature, Love way of 1 Corinthians 13.
Moving forward from the "coveting way" to the "love way" is simply growing up into the perfection that is Christ.

WilliamLhk · May 28, 2026

keras said:
That is because Jesus Returns after the Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls, but the first event will be the Sixth Seal Day of the Lord's fiery wrath.

These are all the same event:

Matt. 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn/wail, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Rev. 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn/wail because of Him.
Rev. 6:15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!"

And all of them therefore come "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." Matt. 24:29

keras · May 28, 2026

WilliamLhk said:
These are all the same event:

Matt. 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn/wail, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Rev. 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn/wail because of Him.
Rev. 6:15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!"

And all of them therefore come "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." Matt. 24:29

Obviously they are not the same event, they are described very differently and as separately in Revelation.
Your theory necessitates an 'adding to and a taking away', of the given sequence of Revelation.

WilliamLhk · May 29, 2026

keras said:
Obviously they are not the same event, they are described very differently and as separately in Revelation.
Your theory necessitates an 'adding to and a taking away', of the given sequence of Revelation.

And I am likewise convinced that events will transpire just as I have said.

Nothing at all was added to the Word. No End Time prophecy lists every event in their order. Rather, its "here a little and there a little."

keras · May 30, 2026

WilliamLhk said:
No End Time prophecy lists every event in their order. Rather, its "here a little and there a little."

That is the case for most of the Prophesies, the big exception is the sequence of the 7 Seals, the 7 Trumpets and the 7 bowls.
Play fast and loose with them and you are in the mire of deep confusion.
Proved by how Jesus commenced opening the first five Seals. Rev 5:7, as evidenced by the horrible wars, the shocking famines, the disastrous plagues and the many economic crashes we have experienced since the first Century.
Confirmed by all the Christian martyrs since Stephen.

The next Prophesied event will be the Sixth Seal world changer and the Seventh Seal will give us the time to complete all that must happen before Jesus Returns.

GoldenKingGaze · May 30, 2026

SavedByGrace3 said:
1 Corinthians 12:29 belongs to chapter 13. The thought should be included as a controlling context of Chapter 13.

1Co 12:31 But covet the best gifts earnestly: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

What is the subject being addressed by this verse?
First, it is an important instruction. Paul is telling the Corinthians to do a certain thing in a certain way. "Covet Earnestly the best gifts."
The literal is clearer.
"But zealously strive after the better gifts."
Other translations include the concepts of "envious" and "jealous."
If the verse stopped there, what would you come away with?
We are to desire "the better gifts."
How are we to strive for the better gifts?
We are to zealously strive for them.
In context, what is the verse telling us to do?
It is telling us both what to desire and the way to desire it.
He suggests that one way to obtain the best gifts is to "covet" or "zealously strive."
But then he states there is a better WAY to get the best gifts.
"I will show you a more excellent way to do it."
A more excellent way to do what?
A more excellent way to get the best gifts.
Keep that context in mind as you read the rest of the verse. He is telling us a better WAY to get the best gifts.
"...and yet shew I unto you a more excellent WAY. "

So this is key:
He is going to reveal to us a better WAY than coveting to get the best gifts.
He is not going to reveal a THING better than the best gifts. That is a huge error.
He is not saying that love is better than gifts!
He is going to reveal a better WAY to get the best gifts.
Keep that in mind as you proceed to the next chapter.
In no way is Paul telling us that Love is better than the gifts.
Paul is telling us that Love is the better WAY than coveting to get the best gifts.

Robert's Word Pictures points this out:

"And a still more excellent way (kai eti kath' huperbolēn hodon). In order to gain the greater gifts. “I show you a way par excellence,” beyond all comparison (superlative idea in this adjunct, not comparative), like kath' huperbolēn eis huperbolēn (2Co_4:17). Huperbolē is old word from huperballō, to throw beyond, to surpass, to excel (2Co_3:10; Eph_1:19). “I show you a supremely excellent way.” Chapter 1Co_13:1-13 is this way, the way of love already laid down in 1Co_8:1 concerning the question of meats offered to idols (cf. 1Jo_4:7). Poor division of chapters here. This verse belongs with chapter 1Co_13:1-13."
Note on 13:1
"But have not love (agapēn de mē echō). This is the crux of the chapter. Love is the way par excellence of 1Co_12:31."

Vincent's Word Studies also points this out:
Way
To attain the higher gifts.

So if you read chapter 13 in the context of "way" (love way better than coveting way) rather than "thing" (love better than gifts), you get the truth.
Which "WAY" benefits you and the church par excellence?
The love (way) benefits you (and the church) more than coveting (way).
1Co 13:1 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels (by the coveting way), but I do not have love, I have become as sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And if I have prophecies (by the coveting way), and know all mysteries (by the coveting way), and all knowledge( by the coveting way), and if I have all faith so as to move mountains (by the coveting way), but do not have love, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And if I give out all my goods (by the coveting way), and if I deliver my body that I be burned(by the coveting way), but I do not have love, I am not profited anything.
1Co 13:4 Love (unlike coveting) has patience, is kind; love is not envious (like coveting); love is not vain (like coveting), is not puffed up (like coveting);
1Co 13:5 does not behave indecently (like coveting), does not pursue its own things (like coveting), is not easily provoked (like coveting), thinks no evil (like coveting);
1Co 13:6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness (like coveting), but rejoices in the truth.
1Co 13:7 (Unlike coveting,) Love quietly covers all things, (Unlike coveting, love) believes all things, (Unlike coveting, love) hopes all things, (Unlike coveting, love) endures all things.
1Co 13:8 (Unlike coveting,) Love never fails. But if there are prophecies (derived by coveting), they will be caused to cease; if tongues (derived by coveting), they shall cease; if knowledge (derived by coveting), it will be caused to cease.
1Co 13:9 For (in coveting) we know in part, and (in coveting) we prophesy in part;
1Co 13:10 but when the perfect thing (the love way) comes, then that which is in part (the coveting way) will be caused to cease.
1Co 13:11 When I was an (coveting) infant, I spoke as an (coveting) infant, I thought as an (coveting) infant, I reasoned as an (coveting) infant. But when I became a (love) man, I caused to cease the (immature) things of the infant.
1Co 13:12 For now we see through a mirror in dimness, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I will fully know even as I also was fully known.
1Co 13:13 And now faith, hope, and love, these three things remain; but the greatest of these is love.

In conclusion, the cessationist argument falls flat once you realize that Paul is not saying Love is better than Gifts. Rather, love is the better way than coveting to get the best gifts. Once the mature Love-driven man comes into his own, all the immaturity and failure of the baby-coveting child will be done away with, simply because the man has grown up. Grown up into love. This is the love-driven mature man of the parallel passage in Eph 4. He, Paul, specifically states that the best gifts will come into reality when the love way, the mature way, the perfect way of love is manifested.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

That is the perfect mature, Love way of 1 Corinthians 13.
Moving forward from the "coveting way" to the "love way" is simply growing up into the perfection that is Christ.

The description of love is very very social. Not at all only about the true motive with which to pursue prophecy. Paul taught that these three remain, faith, hope, and love, and the greatest of these is love. Love for other persons and peoples.

Prophecy does not need us to keep no record of wrongs.

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