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Kash Patel snorkeling at the Arizona Memorial

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It absolutely is a factor,
How someone feels about it is not a factor because feelings have no bearing on facts.
since that "brief group tour" is not offered to the general public, it requires special permission and is usually limited to those who have a specific and official reason for visiting the site. Patel did not have that.
That's hearsay which is inconsistent with established facts.
 
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An observation.
Your contributions to this thread are substantial, and belies your stated belief that this shouldn’t be a big deal.
Things that aren’t big deals, people tend not to post about.
 
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How someone feels about it is not a factor because feelings have no bearing on facts.
I didn't offer feelings, I offered facts. And none of those facts have been refuted.

That's hearsay which is inconsistent with established facts.
What did I say that wasn't factual?

A humble request: if you can't back up your accusations about me or my posts, please refrain from making them. Thanks.

-- A2SG, that you don't back them up only indicates to me that you cannot....
 
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Your contributions to this thread are substantial, and belies your stated belief that this shouldn’t be a big deal.
Things that aren’t big deals, people tend not to post about.
Low effort killing time.
 
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I didn't offer feelings, I offered facts. And none of those facts have been refuted.
You commented on my feelings about it which are not a factor in the facts of the situation.
What did I say that wasn't factual?

A humble request: if you can't back up your accusations about me or my posts, please refrain from making them. Thanks.
The facts have already been established apart from hearsay and opinion that doesn't correspond with the established facts.
 
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You commented on my feelings about it which are not a factor in the facts of the situation.
All I said about your feelings on this issue is that they're your own business. Nothing more.

The facts have already been established apart from hearsay and opinion that doesn't correspond with the established facts.
Nothing I offered was hearsay or false. My opinion, that the FBI director should not abuse his authority or position for personal gain or amusement, doesn't run counter to any of the established facts. It's actually a pretty well accepted standard for anyone in a leadership position, in fact.

-- A2SG, lost count of your swings and misses.....
 
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All I said about your feelings on this issue is that they're your own business. Nothing more.
Which is irrelevant to the topic.
Nothing I offered was hearsay or false. My opinion, that the FBI director should not abuse his authority or position for personal gain or amusement, doesn't run counter to any of the established facts. It's actually a pretty well accepted standard for anyone in a leadership position, in fact.
What you said is contrary to established facts because that's not what happened, according to established facts.
 
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Which is irrelevant to the topic.
Fine. It's not as if I were making an issue of it anyway. I won't mention it again if you don't.

What you said is contrary to established facts because that's not what happened, according to established facts.
Nope. Every single statement I've made has been consistent with established facts. I have not made a single statement that is contrary to any established facts. Not one.

Something that will be evident in your next post when you fail to identify anything I've said that is contrary to a single established fact.

-- A2SG, though, it would be nice if you could go back to the topic instead of focusing on me, and the unsubstantiated claims you keep making about my posts....
 
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Fine. It's not as if I were making an issue of it anyway. I won't mention it again if you don't.


Nope. Every single statement I've made has been consistent with established facts. I have not made a single statement that is contrary to any established facts. Not one.

Something that will be evident in your next post when you fail to identify anything I've said that is contrary to a single established facts.
That's already been done extensively. Denial and a desire for endless repetition won't change that.
 
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That's already been done extensively. Denial and a desire for endless repetition won't change that.
Something that will be evident in your next post when you fail to identify anything I've said that is contrary to a single established fact.
Done and done.

-- A2SG, anyone expecting anything else?
 
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Yes, having already shown that what you've said goes aginst established facts has been done.
You have not. That's why you're not doing it now, nor can you point to where you've done it previously.

-- A2SG, and I'm done with this off-topic fantasy of yours.....
 
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You have not. That's why you're not doing it now, nor can you point to where you've done it previously.
Sorry but we're not going back several pages for a restart. It's already been established in previous posts that there's zero evidence that going on a brief invited group tour is an abuse of power.

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
 
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Unusual things happening is almost always a “good thread”; such is not the case here.

Would Kash Patel have ever been allowed near the water, (let alone under it) at the site, if he wasn’t the Director of the FBI?
(Probably not)
Based on what? Factual information regarding groups of ten being taken on underwater tours by the Navy?
Why did this Admiral decide that it would be a “good idea” to invite Patel to the USS Arizona Memorial?
A reasonable conclusion free of sensationalism is that Patel was there and was invented to join a group tour. A being in the right place at the right time thing.
Would J. Edgar Hoover (or any other FBI Director) have taken such an “invite” seriously?
There's no discernible reason why they wouldn't. Is there some established rule that FBI directors can't or shouldn’t do so?
Kash was always free to turn the invite down, but he choose to accept it.
Some people don’t like that he did that.
That doesn't establish any kind of wrongdoing on his part.
Some people think that this isn’t a big deal.
Out of ten people Patel is the only one people are making a big deal over going on group tours conducted by the Navy. But he's an FBI director doesn't seem to make much sense as to why he's the only one out of these group tours people are complaining about.
And here we are.

(Both views are equally valid and worthy of a vigorous defense; play nice and have a good time!)
The view that he's just one of multiple people who've gone on such tours seems the most level headed.
 
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Question is, are you the rarity?
I look up everything. Even everything that my own side says because I hate when someone misrepresents us.
 
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Like I've said, if you're okay with Patel abusing his position and authority for his own personal gain and amusement, that's your business.

-- A2SG, just another tourist taking in the sights, apparently....
It’s only your opinion that he abused his position. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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My point is Wikipedia isn’t just random people going in and editing articles about people they don’t like with false information about them. Everything there is cited and from an additional source.
They must have changed the rules, then, because that is exactly how it worked just a few years ago, making everyone upset because they’d have to go back and change it back to what they wanted it to say. The very definition of a wiki is that it is open to all to edit. We trialed using a wiki here to set rules in different parts of the board and it was a total failure because everyone wanted it to say what THEY wanted it to say, and we had to scrap it.

Which is exactly my original point. You can use any citation you want, it’s the spin you put on your interpretation of those citations, and the citations that are left out because they don’t match your narrative. It’s all opinion, IOW.
 
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It’s only your opinion that he abused his position. Nothing more, nothing less.
Granted. However, I don't believe it's an unwarranted opinion. And at least one former FBI Director agrees.

-- A2SG, so, there's that....
 
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I calls it “chronocide”, so I’m familiar with the concept.
Who isn't? But the point is my spending a lot of time in a thread like this one, is not because I consider it a heavy matter. To me it ranks a little above threads like "things not to put on a pizza".
 
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