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Is Hell Annihilationism or Eternal Torment
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Jeff Saunders
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Matt 25:46 does not say eternal torment in the Greek, its aionion kolasis, kolasis ia an arborist term, to prune off the unproductive so fruit will grow, this is a corrective punishment not a retributive punishment, and aionion is pertaining to the age or age enduring it has a begging and an end.
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When I was a young lad, we utilized the term "H E double tooth picks" Funny how times change... 
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Not sure why you're posting this to me, I don't believe it states eternal torment in the Greek, nor do I believe in eternal torment.
What you and I disagree on is UR vs eternal destruction. But we both agree there is no ECT.
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Sorry I must of hit the wrong button, I do not have good computer skills.
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So everybody has eternal life no matter what, ne c'est pas?
So once again, "death" doesn't really mean death. Everybody Lives Forever.
THen why call it "death"? And contrst it with eternal life?
Which is a bit of rigamarole to turn "death" into something other than "death". No worky.
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Matt. 25:46 (KJV) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Firstly, the Greek word "aionion", which is used for the extent of the life and the extent of the punishment, means, either, "without beginning", or "without end", or "without beginning and without end"; since the punishment and the life have a beginning, the meaning is "without end".
Secondly, since the same word is used for the extent of the punishment and the life, they are co-extensive and perpetual.
Thirdly, even if one accepts a "pruning" meaning for "kolasis", it would still mean that the pruning is perpetual; and this makes perfect sense, because the hostile sinner in hell will perpetually produce more sin (complaining against God, hatred for God, etc.) from his evil heart; so, however much the fire burns away his sin, there is always more to burn away.
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Aionion does not mean without beginning or end, or any variation of it,
Aionion is the adjective form of aion, aion is an age or eon, it has a beginning and an end, aionion is a quantitative term to what it modifies.
Its like the word tall, If I say " A tall man stood in front of a tall skyscraper " tall is used to describe both the man and the skyscraper, does that make the man as tall as a skyscraper ?
In Matt 25:46 eternal life is, zoen aionion, because life never-ending only is in Jesus/God, and Jesus/God are never ending so is the life.
" eternal punishment " in the Greek is kolasin aionion, the word kolasin comes from kolasis, which is a arborist term for pruning, to bring forth fruit, it is alway used for restorative punishment no retribution. Kolasis has a duration it is not never ending.
How does sin continue forever if it has been conquered by Jesus on the cross, how does death go on forever if, 1 Cor 15:28 says that the last enemy to be conquered is death, how is it conquered if it goes on forever?
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Eph 2:8 " For by grace you have been saved. And this is not your own doing: it is a gift of God." If faith is not of our doing, how do we get faith? Its Gods gift ,not something we conjure up so we are saved, we are saved by grace because of what Jesus did, not from what we did.
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Faith’s a Gift from God.
“For it is by grace you have been saved, THROUGH faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the GIFT of God”
“A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven”
The second verse implies unless God allows it..
It doesn’t happen
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Now your getting it, all will have faith a few in the mortal body, the rest, after a aionion kolasis that may last a long time. Jesus did not fail to save his beloved cosmos, nothing is impossible for the Father. Phil 2:10-11 " So at the name of Jesus every knee- of beings heavenly and earthly and subterranean- should bend, and every tongue gladly confess( Greek word exomologeo ) that Jesus the Anointed is Lord, for the glory of God the Father."
Faith is a gift not something we conger up, all we need to do is metanoia, get our thinking in line with the Father/ Jesus and agree to what they have done and walk in it.
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In almost every place (there are only about two exceptions), in the New Testament, where "aionios/aionion" appears, it means "undefined duration because endless", which would normally be translated as "eternal", "everlasting", "perpetual", or similar. Check "Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words", or, "Robertson's Word Pictures", or other reputable expository dictionaries of New Testament Greek.
Your claim about "restorative punishment not retribution" is just nonsense. Since when has salvation ever been by punishment? Salvation is by grace through faith, not by punishment. It is the saved who are pruned (to bear more fruit, not because they do not bear any fruit), not the lost. The lost are punished in hell, perpetually, for their past and continuing sin.
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