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I don't know to what you're referring; Jesus didn't mention abortion.
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James Talarico doubles down on pro-abortion stance: 'The Bible is silent'
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"Thou shall not kill"
"Before Abraham, I AM"
Not debating per the rules.
Make of it what you will.
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The topic is Talarico and the supposed claim he is pro-abortion. Thanks for sharing those verses. My only point was that Jesus himself never addressed abortion in the Gospels, and nothing you quoted changes that. Peace to you as well.
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The Greatest Commandment
God is Agape. The greatest commandment is to love God with all one’s heart, mind, and soul. Jesus said loving others as ourselves is just like it. (Three ways of knowing God — heart = relational knowing, mind = discerning knowing, soul = experiential knowing.)How discernment protects us from politicizing God
The difficulty is that God often gets politicized, and when that happens, we stop loving Him with our hearts, minds, and souls and start using Him for our arguments. That breaks the commandment rather than fulfilling it.A progression of reasoning about abortion, judgment, and Agapē
- Conception begins at implantation — The body naturally expels many blastocysts for various reasons, which means we cannot legitimately call every fertilized egg a person.
- Calling abortion “murder” mischaracterizes intent — Using the word “murder” risks assigning malice to someone who is not acting with malice. That is a false moral charge.
- Hope for the woman’s future self — All of this becomes irrelevant when one believes that, should a woman see her pregnancy through, she will one day be glad she did.
- Humility about forgiveness — If she does not see it through, it would be embarrassing to condemn her only to find that God forgives her. I cannot claim certainty about what God would or would not forgive.
- The measure I use — The only thing I can say with certainty is that God will judge me according to the measure I use to judge others. Jesus qualified that by saying "The merciful will receive mercy". I would assume the opposite is therefore also true, those who are condemning will receive condemnation. God would not condemn someone for being merciful and He would not condemn someone for not wanting to condemn anyone. That alone makes me cautious about assigning moral labels.
Why slander violates the greatest commandment
When a title labels someone as “pro‑abortion” simply because they do not want to politicize God, it assigns a moral stance they may not hold. Agapē seeks understanding before accusation, and truth before labels. Misrepresenting a neighbor’s intent is the opposite of loving God with heart, mind, and soul.How political labeling becomes a tactic of demagoguery
Political rhetoric sometimes uses labels like “pro‑abortion” as a shortcut — not to understand a person’s actual position, but to trigger fear, anger, or loyalty. That is a tactic of demagoguery: using charged labels as a pretense to gain support rather than seeking truth. Discernment helps us resist this by remembering that Agapē does not weaponize labels or reduce people to slogans.
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One thing that the Catholic Church wants is a priest that has been called by God. Religious training is important but without God's calling, it's almost impossible to follow a life in the priesthood.
God calls some people to be priests, some to be Deacons, some to be teachers, others to do many works within the Church.
God called me to be baptized into the Catholic Church in 1982. Many wanted me to enter the priesthood but God didn't call me to be a priest. I must follow God's Spirit, not my spirit.
God bless.
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So denying reality has expanded from denying things Trump has done to denying the dictionary definitions of words?
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Personally I believe the Gospel is pro life with a balanced understanding of the sanctity of life for the mother and the unborn. This must be properly understood in pro life preaching spiritually while understanding the tribulations of a fallen world that affect people in dangerous and complex ways.
What is said spiritually should not overzealously condemn individuals and hardly be applied in secular law. People using birth control, abortion for the life of the mother, desperate personal situations ( rape etc.), must not be prosecuted for an alleged crime they have no concept of.
“Thou shalt not commit adultery”( Exodus 20:14, Deuteronomy 5:18, Matthew 5:27-30, Matthew 19:18 etc.) coupled with compassion ( Matthew 22:36-40, Matthew 7:1-12 etc.). Try to educate people about the social fallout that contributes to abortion, more welfare burdens, poverty, broken homes etc. This can help reduce the amount of people falling into this trap. Still, some will fail but there must be forgiveness ( Matthew 6:14-15 etc.) & charity ( Matthew 6:1-4 etc.).
On the other hand, the abortion extremists pursue outright murder with partial birth abortions, the spiritual and secular laws should be closer ( Romans 13:1-14 etc.) while remembering the Lord’s preaching about forgiveness like in Matthew 5 etc.
I believe more could have been achieved with spiritual preaching about pro life than having had Roe v Wade overturned.
What is said spiritually should not overzealously condemn individuals and hardly be applied in secular law. People using birth control, abortion for the life of the mother, desperate personal situations ( rape etc.), must not be prosecuted for an alleged crime they have no concept of.
“Thou shalt not commit adultery”( Exodus 20:14, Deuteronomy 5:18, Matthew 5:27-30, Matthew 19:18 etc.) coupled with compassion ( Matthew 22:36-40, Matthew 7:1-12 etc.). Try to educate people about the social fallout that contributes to abortion, more welfare burdens, poverty, broken homes etc. This can help reduce the amount of people falling into this trap. Still, some will fail but there must be forgiveness ( Matthew 6:14-15 etc.) & charity ( Matthew 6:1-4 etc.).
On the other hand, the abortion extremists pursue outright murder with partial birth abortions, the spiritual and secular laws should be closer ( Romans 13:1-14 etc.) while remembering the Lord’s preaching about forgiveness like in Matthew 5 etc.
I believe more could have been achieved with spiritual preaching about pro life than having had Roe v Wade overturned.
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The dictionary definition of "demagogue" would suggest that you are.
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First time I’ve ever encountered the word.
As they say, you learn something new every day.
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Yeah? What's your definition of the word and how does it apply here?
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Agreed. The baby about to be killed in an abortion needs a Christian to love him/her.
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