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I see, no wonder you hold the doctrines that you do. Thanks for clarifying.
Hey G

All the Covenant promises are fulfilled in Jesus. But they were time sensitive. I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, No man come to the Father but through Me. Including OT believers. Jesus has the Keys to Hades and death (Revelation 1:18). When He descended, He preached to those Spirits in Prison (1 Peter 3:19). When He ascended, He led captivity captive (Ephesians 4:8, Psalm 68:18). Abrahams bosom, Paradise, was in Hades before the cross (Luke 23:43, Acts 2:27-31, Psalm 16:10-11). Later, Paradise is recorded as being in the Third Heaven (2 Corinthians 12:2-4), thus leading captivity captive from (Ephesians 4:8). The time sensitive part is where the transition from the OT to the NT comes in. Promises fulfilled. In Jesus.

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I see, no wonder you hold the doctrines that you do. Thanks for clarifying.
AND there. are many that will NEVER believe that ISRAEL. was set aside along with the LAW and GRACE BEGAN

with PAUL in. Acts 9:5. and 1 TIM. 1:16. that prove that Paul is the PATTEN. of the ones coming to believe

on HIM unto everlasting LIFE !!

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Hey G

Abrahams bosom, Paradise, was in Hades before the cross (Luke 23:43, Acts 2:27-31, Psalm 16:19). Later, Paradise is recorded as being in the Third Heaven (2 Corinthians 12:2-4), thus leading captivity captive from (Ephesians 4:8).

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Interesting how you lump words together to assume they are referring to the exact same thing.

So, in your point of view, all the OT saints are in heaven now, alright.
 
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Interesting how you lump words together to assume they are referring to the exact same thing.

So, in your point of view, all the OT saints are in heaven now, alright.
Interesting how you lump words together to assume they are referring to the exact same thing.

So, in your point of view, all the OT saints are in heaven now, alright.
Hi DAVE and there are three mentions pf PARADISE

# 1 ABRHAM BOSOM

# 2 The the thief on. the cross where CHRIST said today thou shall be with me in. Paridise to n. ABRAHAM BOSOM

# 3. AND IN. 2 Cor 12:5 which has noting to do with ABRAHAMS BOSOM

# 4 And in ISA 5:14 HELL has enlarged it self

# 5 AND HELL HAS MANY COMPARTMENTS CALLED

# A. HELL

# B HADES

# C. SHEOL

# D GEHENNA

# E. ABYSS

# F. OUTER DAKENESS

# G BOTTEMLESS PIT

# H. LAKE OF FIRE

# I. TARTANUS

BUT 2 COR 12:5 has nothing to do with with the above as it speaks to the BODY OF CHRIST !!

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Interesting how you lump words together to assume they are referring to the exact same thing.

So, in your point of view, all the OT saints are in heaven now, alright.

Yes, they are in Heaven.

Before the cross John 3:13-15. That Psalm passage in post #21 was the wrong one. I fixed it. It said Psalm 16:19, but I meant Psalm 16:10-11. That was to show that what was called Sheol in the OT, is called Hades in the NT.
 
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Hi DAVE and there are three mentions pf PARADISE

# 1 ABRHAM BOSOM

# 2 The the thief on. the cross where CHRIST said today thou shall be with me in. Paridise to n. ABRAHAM BOSOM

# 3. AND IN. 2 Cor 12:5 which has noting to do with ABRAHAMS BOSOM

# 4 And in ISA 5:14 HELL has enlarged it self

# 5 AND HELL HAS MANY COMPARTMENTS CALLED

# A. HELL

# B HADES

# C. SHEOL

# D GEHENNA

# E. ABYSS

# F. OUTER DAKENESS

# G BOTTEMLESS PIT

# H. LAKE OF FIRE

# I. TARTANUS

BUT 2 COR 12:5 has nothing to do with with the above as it speaks to the BODY OF CHRIST !!

dan p
I changed a Psalm passage noted above, but I didn't change that part. It originally said 2 Corinthians 12:2-4. Here it is from the NKJV. I think that I know what happened. When you hold the arrow over that passage, it only shows it down to about halfway in verse four. You need to click on the "more" to get the rest of verse four.

2 Corinthians 12:2-4 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago--whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows--such a one was caught up to the third heaven. And I know such a man--whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows-- how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
 
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Yes, they are in Heaven.

Before the cross John 3:13-15. That Psalm passage in post #21 was the wrong one. I fixed it. It said Psalm 16:19, but I meant Psalm 16:10-11. That was to show that what was called Sheol in the OT, is called Hades in the NT.
And John. 3:13 SAY that no one has ASCENDED. IN. HEAVEN ,( BUT // ME. , IS A DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE. ). means

NEVERRRRR has ascended to HEAVEN. but he that came down. FROM HEAVEN !!

So where does anyone go after DEATH ??

And I do have answer and shown just where the lost go after . death and. where those saved go after dying !!

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And John. 3:13 SAY that no one has ASCENDED. IN. HEAVEN ,( BUT // ME. , IS A DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE. ). means

NEVERRRRR has ascended to HEAVEN. but he that came down. FROM HEAVEN !!

So where does anyone go after DEATH ??

And I do have answer and shown just where the lost go after . death and. where those saved go after dying !!

dan p
Hey Dan

John 3:13 (still Old Testament) is speaking of the OT believers who were waiting for the cross. They went to Abrahams bosom when they died (Luke 16:19-31). That's not a parable. Hades is translated as Hell in the KJV, but the proper translation is Hades. The writers of the KJV Bible understood Hell differently than we do today. Their idea of Hell was similar to our idea of Hades today. Hades is called Sheol in the OT. These OT believrs could not be with the Father on credit. They needed to be made clean first (Romans 3:25-26). Promises do not cleanse Temples, blood does. Otherwise Adam and Eve would have never had to leave the presence of God. We can only be made clean in Jesus Christ. We can only be in Jesus Christ when we have the Holy Spirit indwelling, which is the Agent of that baptism, or, placing into. We could not have the Holy Spirit until Christ was lifted up, hence, the death resurrection and ascension provided all the ingredients that we needed to be saved. The spiritual union with Christ Jesus would not have done anything until those things happened first. The ingredients first. Thus allowing the Holy Spirit to cleanse the Temple when He enters, the Temple being us (1 Corinthians 16:19). Nobody was indwelt before this. For those who were still alive and due the Promise, the transition recorded in Acts.

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Here's some links for you to read. the quote is from the second one.



"While Paradise is not now a part of Sheol/Hades it will be mentioned here because it was located in Sheol/Hades at one time. Before the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ everybody who died went to Sheol/Hades, which was at that time divided into at least two compartments. One was a place of torment while the other was a place of blessing, which was referred to as Abraham's Bosom (Lk. 16:22-25). As we mentioned before, Tartarus may be a specific place in Sheol/Hades.

We know that Jesus Christ went "into the lower parts of the earth" (Eph. 4:9), that is to Sheol/Hades, "in the heart of the earth," for three days and nights while his body was in the grave (Mat. 12:40). The Lord Jesus told the repentant thief that he would join Him in Paradise that same day (Lk. 23:42,43). This tells us that Paradise was located in Sheol/Hades at that time. We believe that this was the same place referred to as Abraham's Bosom in Luke 16. However, after Jesus Christ rose from the dead He ascended to the Father, taking the saints who were in Abraham's Bosom to heaven with Him. Thus, He took "captivity captive" (see Eph. 4:8-10).

That Paradise was moved to heaven is confirmed to us by the Apostle Paul who speaks of a man who was "caught up into Paradise" where he "heard unspeakable words" (II Cor. 12:3,4). With Jesus Christ's work complete, the believers who had been confined to Sheol/Hades were now taken to Heaven to wait in God's presence until the time of their resurrection to enter His Kingdom on Earth. Since that time, at death all believers go to Paradise in Heaven to await the time of their resurrection. This is true whether they belong to the Kingdom Church of the future or the Body of Christ Church of the present Dispensation of Grace."
 
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Hey Dan

John 3:13 (still Old Testament) is speaking of the OT believers who were waiting for the cross. They went to Abrahams bosom when they died (Luke 16:19-31). That's not a parable. Hades is translated as Hell in the KJV, but the proper translation is Hades. The writers of the KJV Bible understood Hell differently than we do today. Their idea of Hell was similar to our idea of Hades today. Hades is called Sheol in the OT. These OT believrs could not be with the Father on credit. They needed to be made clean first (Romans 3:25-26). Promises do not cleanse Temples, blood does. Otherwise Adam and Eve would have never had to leave the presence of God. We can only be made clean in Jesus Christ. We can only be in Jesus Christ when we have the Holy Spirit indwelling, which is the Agent of that baptism, or, placing into. We could not have the Holy Spirit until Christ was lifted up, hence, the death resurrection and ascension provided all the ingredients that we needed to be saved. The spiritual union with Christ Jesus would not have done anything until those things happened first. The ingredients first. Thus allowing the Holy Spirit to cleanse the Temple when He enters, the Temple being us (1 Corinthians 16:19). Nobody was indwelt before this. For those who were still alive and due the Promise, the transition recorded in Acts.

Dave
# 1 AND the RICH MAN in. . Luke 16:31 SOUL is in HELL !!

# 2 His body is in a GRAVE

# 3 His SPIRIT goes BACK. to Christ that GAVE IT in. ECC 12:7



# A And in. 1 COR. 1. WE SEE a believer turned over to. SATAN for. the. DEATH of. the FLESH. in order that the SPRIT

may. be. saved in the. DAY. (. CAUGHJT UP ). of the LORD JESUS !!

#. B. Beware because CHRIST can and will PUNISH BELIEVERS

#. C. And that the BODY will be the GRAVE , BUT THE SPRIT will. be in. PARADISE !!

# D And check 1. Thess 4:13 and 17. !!

# E And I see 4 resurrections , how many do you SEE. ??\

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Here's some links for you to read. the quote is from the second one.



"While Paradise is not now a part of Sheol/Hades it will be mentioned here because it was located in Sheol/Hades at one time. Before the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ everybody who died went to Sheol/Hades, which was at that time divided into at least two compartments. One was a place of torment while the other was a place of blessing, which was referred to as Abraham's Bosom (Lk. 16:22-25). As we mentioned before, Tartarus may be a specific place in Sheol/Hades.

We know that Jesus Christ went "into the lower parts of the earth" (Eph. 4:9), that is to Sheol/Hades, "in the heart of the earth," for three days and nights while his body was in the grave (Mat. 12:40). The Lord Jesus told the repentant thief that he would join Him in Paradise that same day (Lk. 23:42,43). This tells us that Paradise was located in Sheol/Hades at that time. We believe that this was the same place referred to as Abraham's Bosom in Luke 16. However, after Jesus Christ rose from the dead He ascended to the Father, taking the saints who were in Abraham's Bosom to heaven with Him. Thus, He took "captivity captive" (see Eph. 4:8-10).

That Paradise was moved to heaven is confirmed to us by the Apostle Paul who speaks of a man who was "caught up into Paradise" where he "heard unspeakable words" (II Cor. 12:3,4). With Jesus Christ's work complete, the believers who had been confined to Sheol/Hades were now taken to Heaven to wait in God's presence until the time of their resurrection to enter His Kingdom on Earth. Since that time, at death all believers go to Paradise in Heaven to await the time of their resurrection. This is true whether they belong to the Kingdom Church of the future or the Body of Christ Church of the present Dispensation of Grace."
And in Luke 23:43 the thief on. the cross with Jesus , today those shall be with me in. PARADIS , called ABRAHAM BOSOM. and that. means that there are 2 PARADISES. !!

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The New Testament Begins in Acts Not Matthew​

When you read the Gospels in the Bible, such as Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, do they sometimes seem to contradict other parts of the New Testament Scripture? For example, in Matthew 6:15, Jesus said, “If you refuse to forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins.” Yet, in Colossians 2:13, the Apostle Paul wrote, “…God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins.” How can there be two different perspectives written in the same New Testament?

Many Christians experience confusion because they think all of Jesus’ teachings are part of the New Testament, also known as the “New Covenant.” However most of them are not. The New Testament, which is God’s New Covenant with mankind, actually starts in the book of Acts, not Matthew. How do we know this fact is true?

When reading the New Testament, ask yourself this question, “Had Jesus died yet when this was written?” If not, then those writings are part of the Old Covenant in most cases. If the writings are after Jesus died, then it’s part of the New Covenant.

Exactly.

People get easily confused by the gospels in that sense. That don't know how to correctly apply the symbology that Jesus used, and who the audience His words were directed at.
 
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# 1 AND the RICH MAN in. . Luke 16:31 SOUL is in HELL !!

# 2 His body is in a GRAVE

# 3 His SPIRIT goes BACK. to Christ that GAVE IT in. ECC 12:7

Hey Dan

Hades, not Hell. Hell comes after the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15). There is a physical resurrection unto life for the saved, and a physical resurrection unto judgment for the unsaved (Matthew 3:10-13). thus, believers and unbelievers are both physically resurrected, either unto life, or unto judgment. The Parable of Lazarus and the rich man. All unbelievers are kept in Hades. It's like a holding cell. Waiting for the resurrection unto judgement.

Revelation 20:11-15 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.


# A And in. 1 COR. 1. WE SEE a believer turned over to. SATAN for. the. DEATH of. the FLESH. in order that the SPRIT

may. be. saved in the. DAY. (. CAUGHJT UP ). of the LORD JESUS !!

#. B. Beware because CHRIST can and will PUNISH BELIEVERS

#. C. And that the BODY will be the GRAVE , BUT THE SPRIT will. be in. PARADISE !!

# D And check 1. Thess 4:13 and 17. !!

# E And I see 4 resurrections , how many do you SEE. ??\

dan p
This is the physical part.

John 5:28-29 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

The spiritual resurrection for believers happens when we are born again.
 
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And in Luke 23:43 the thief on. the cross with Jesus , today those shall be with me in. PARADIS , called ABRAHAM BOSOM. and that. means that there are 2 PARADISES. !!

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No need for two. I believe that it did move. It was taken all at once to the third heaven when Jesus ascended.
 
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Yes, Jesus is the true Church, the Body of Christ. 1 Corinthians 12:13
And Gal 6:15 is the BEST WAY. to explain. the DIFFERENCE. between Israel and GENTILES and. the BODY OF CHRIST

For in. Christ Jesus NEITHER CIRCUMCISION ( ARE JEWS ). is of any FORCE

NOR UNCUMCISION ( GENTILES. ). but a NEW CREATION. meaning. the BODY of CHRIST

And today the BODY of Christ RULES , because of HEB 9:18. is the big BOMB. so read very carefully

other wise you will need a PRIEST. and ALTER. and ANIMAL. for a SACIFICE.

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The New Testament Begins in Acts Not Matthew​

When you read the Gospels in the Bible, such as Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, do they sometimes seem to contradict other parts of the New Testament Scripture? For example, in Matthew 6:15, Jesus said, “If you refuse to forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins.” Yet, in Colossians 2:13, the Apostle Paul wrote, “…God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins.” How can there be two different perspectives written in the same New Testament?

Many Christians experience confusion because they think all of Jesus’ teachings are part of the New Testament, also known as the “New Covenant.” However most of them are not. The New Testament, which is God’s New Covenant with mankind, actually starts in the book of Acts, not Matthew. How do we know this fact is true?

When reading the New Testament, ask yourself this question, “Had Jesus died yet when this was written?” If not, then those writings are part of the Old Covenant in most cases. If the writings are after Jesus died, then it’s part of the New Covenant.

When Jesus came to earth, He came directly to the Jews who were still under the Old Covenant with God. Want the gist of the Old Covenant? Deuteronomy 28 spells it out very clearly. If Israel obeyed God’s laws, there were 12 verses of blessings He would give them (see Deuteronomy 28:1-14). But, if Israel disobeyed God’s laws, there were 52 verses of curses He would give them. (see Deuteronomy 28:15-68).

Would you want to live in that kind of tension-filled relationship with God? No way! Unfortunately, many Christians today believe that is still how God treats them, even though we are under the New Covenant of grace. Therefore, Christianity feels more like a burden, instead of a blessing.

Many of the things that Jesus taught in the Gospels was Old Covenant instruction to the Jews of His day. When He taught them, He was raising the bar of how perfect they needed to be accepted and blessed by God. Here are some examples:
  • “Unless you are more righteous than the strictest religious leaders in Jesus’s day, the Scribes and the Pharisees, you will not go to heaven.” (Matthew 5:20)
  • “Calling someone an idiot or crazy because you are angry with them will send you to hell.” (Matthew 5:22)
  • “Lust is adultery.” (Matthew 5:27-28)
  • “You must live a perfect life exactly the way God does.” (Matthew 5:48)
These performance-based teachings were aimed to show the Jews and anyone who reads the Bible today that it’s impossible to get God’s unconditional acceptance by obeying the law. Jesus was preparing people to understand how much they needed Him to be their Savior.

God was about to bring into existence the New Covenant, and Jesus was preparing them and everyone else for it. But, here’s the key. The New Covenant did not begin until Jesus’ death, burial, resurrection, and ascension were complete. For instance, Hebrews 9:15 says:

“For this reason Christ is the mediator of a New Covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that He has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the Old Covenant.”

Remember Jesus’ teachings we just listed from the book of Matthew? Let’s compare what the New Covenant says about you as a Christ follower:
  • God has already forgiven you whether you forgive or not. (Colossians 2:13)
  • God made you perfect in your identity in Christ. (Hebrews 10:14)
  • God made you a holy person and not a lustful person in Christ. (1 Corinthians 1:2)
  • God made you a patient person because you’re complete in Christ. (Colossians 2:10)
The Old Covenant was conditional based on mankind’s imperfect works. The New Covenant is conditional based on faith in Jesus’ perfect work. Do you see the amazing difference?

Read the New Testament with a lot more clarity now that you know the New Testament starts in Acts, rather than Matthew!

The New Testament Begins in Acts Not Matthew

AND most fail. to know that SAUL// PAUL wrote 13 epistles to the BODY. of Christ. and wrote hebrews !!

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AND most fail. to know that SAUL// PAUL wrote 13 epistles to the BODY. of Christ. and wrote hebrews !!

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13 epistles, yes, all of them including his name as the author. We are not told, either in Hebrews itself, or anywhere else in Scripture, who the author of Hebrews was, which is why there are differences among godly people about who wrote Hebrews.
 
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And in Luke 23:43 the thief on. the cross with Jesus , today those shall be with me in. PARADIS , called ABRAHAM BOSOM. and that. means that there are 2 PARADISES. !!

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DAVE

And when he ascended. //. anabaino. is in. the APRIST TENSE , meaning it has already happened in. past time , in. the

ACTIVE VOICE in. the NOMINATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR and answers the the question , who is doing the work

And it seem. to me that PARADISE in was already waiting \for those who died and you. are the second one to

mention 2. Cor 12:1-5. .

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When reading the New Testament, ask yourself this question, “Had Jesus died yet when this was written?” If not, then those writings are part of the Old Covenant in most cases. If the writings are after Jesus died, then it’s part of the New Covenant.
The new testament is defined by the fact that apostles are testifying of Jesus Christ. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is the part of the bible where Jesus is carrying out everything written of him concerning what the prophets wrote (the 1st coming). There are many things written in the old testament that has not yet been fulfilled which will be done during the 2nd coming. Matthew is an apostle he is not a prophet therefore his writings are in fact new testament because he testified of the life Jesus lived and how he died. No one was reading the book of Matthew when Jesus here on this Earth everyone taught and learned from Genesis to Malachi. The bible is divided by the prophets and the apostles, it's all the simple.
 
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