Is Hell Annihilationism or Eternal Torment

ProtestantChr1stian · May 25, 2026

ProtestantChr1stian said:
I am just saying that stubbornness is not from God. Also, it's commendable that you research deeply on the Greek texts and try to incorporate that vocabulary into your Bible as well. But, it it still inconvenient for people to rush to Greek Bible everytime even without any knowledge or lesser knowledge about those texts. The Holy Bible is the world's most read book in the world. It is practically impossible to teach the whole world a single language to read the Bible. Don't forget that there's people who don't have even access to a registered language or the Bible itself. It is extremely important to attend them and let them hear 'the Gospel of Good News'. We should also think of the poor, the backward and the isolated and the tribals and let them know of the Lord and God Jesus Christ. They need regionally translated Bible. Illiterate should also have access to the Bible. Otherwise it would be forcing and pressuring them as well. Everyone deserves to read the Bible and hear the Gospel and learn the truth that is the Lord and God and Savior Jesus Christ in their own language and it should be made sure they are in their best, comfortable condition and are able to understand the Word through the Holy Spirit.

Jeff Saunders · May 25, 2026

ProtestantChr1stian said:
I am just saying that stubbornness is not from God. Also, it's commendable that you research deeply on the Greek texts and try to incorporate that vocabulary into your Bible as well. But, it it still inconvenient for people to rush to Greek Bible everytime even without any knowledge or lesser knowledge about those texts. The Holy Bible is the world's most read book in the world. It is practically impossible to teach the whole world a single language to read the Bible. Don't forget that there's people who don't have even access to a registered language or the Bible itself. It is extremely important to attend them and let them hear 'the Gospel of Good News'. We should also think of the poor, the backward and the isolated and the tribals and let them know of the Lord and God Jesus Christ. They need regionally translated Bible. Illiterate should also have to the Bible. Otherwise it would be forcing and pressuring them as well. Everyone deserves to read the Bible and hear the Gospel and learn the truth that is the Lord and God and Savior Jesus Christ in the language and are in their best, comfortable condition and are able to understanding the Word through the Holy Spirit.

This is one of the greatest times to be a Christian, because of the internet, we have at our finger tips , resources that were only known by a few, mostly the scholars of Biblical studies.
Because of scholars translating the letters of the people closest to the disciples, we get their insight to what they were believing and teaching, they lived in the culture and spoke the original language, they have an eastern mindset which is different from the western mindset.
When one studies these writing you can see that the western church has some ideas that are just not what the original people taught.

ProtestantChr1stian · May 25, 2026

Jeff Saunders said:
This is one of the greatest times to be a Christian, because of the internet, we have at our finger tips , resources that were only known by a few, mostly the scholars of Biblical studies.
Because of scholars translating the letters of the people closest to the disciples, we get their insight to what they were believing and teaching, they lived in the culture and spoke the original language, they have an eastern mindset which is different from the western mindset.
When one studies these writing you can see that the western church has some ideas that are just not what the original people taught.

Brother it's not the church, but Jesus Christ. This is what I'm tryna convey for so long. I advice you to spend your time with Him. Every manipulative and misleading people would see what they deserve in this life itself. We do not need to focus on that. We have the Lord for them. He's faithful and just.

Jipsah · May 25, 2026

ProtestantChr1stian said:
Hi. Are you siding with me dude or are you being sarcastic??. I am sorry but honestly don't get you.

I was being relentlessly sarcastic. Most of the oldest/best MSS of Holy Scripture are in Aramaic and Greek. Preferring the English translations (or worse yet, paraphrases) over original languages is extraordinarily silly.

Jipsah · May 25, 2026

Jeff Saunders said:
I sure do like your posts, it looks like you are having fun with it.
The ignorance of so much of the " modern church" is incredible, I know myself, I grew up in the system, I even went to 4 years of Bible college and was in full time ministry for most of my adult life and never knew what the early pre-Augustinian church believed, that is now changed, I am now to it only been walking down this road for about 10 years now and I am just scratching the surface.

Hey, I've been dragged kicking and screaming myself, bruv. I think my own tag line hit me in the face, and I realized that if any deity was believed to do the stuff that we excuse in pious tones when it's God the Father doing it wholesale and by design that we' d declare him not a God but a monster. And somehow that seems to have occurred to a lot of us around the same time just a few years ago.

ProtestantChr1stian · May 26, 2026

Jipsah said:
I was being relentlessly sarcastic. Most of the oldest/best MSS of Holy Scripture are in Aramaic and Greek. Preferring the English translations (or worse yet, paraphrases) over original languages is extraordinarily silly.

That's alright. Please refer to my previous responses to my fellow debater. Moreover , I've never opposed the "fact" about the authenticity of the Greek and Aramaic texts. However it is not convenient for people, as not all are Greek and Armenian. You don't know how to read and write either of these languages as well I believe. So, try to understand others and reflect on these conversations. Read them again I would suggest. There's no one getting benefitted from this endless loop. I do not favor recursive responses. Thank You.

JulieB67 · May 27, 2026

ProtestantChr1stian said:
Please refer to Matthew 25:46.

Since when is death "not" considered punishment in the bible? The OT certainly tells us it is. And the second death is eternal. That's the point- eternal destruction. And why it's called the "second" death.

What you are essentially stating is that both go into eternal life in that verse but just different places. But that's not what it states. Only one goes into eternal life period.

I was taught just as you were growing up but I don't see it biblically when we take the bible as a whole. It's always life or death. And we are told very clearly what will happen to the wicked. They will be turned to ashes which will leave neither root or branch, which fits Christ's teaching in Matthew 10:28 as well as other places.

ProtestantChr1stian · May 27, 2026

JulieB67 said:
Since when is death "not" considered punishment in the bible? Have you read the OT? And the second death is eternal. That's the point- eternal destruction. And why it's called the "second" death.

What you are essentially stating is that both go into eternal life in that verse but just different places. But that's not what it states. Only one goes into eternal life period.

I was taught just as you were growing up but I don't see it biblically when we take the bible as a whole. It's always life or death. And we are told very clearly what will happen to the wicked. They will be turned to ashes which will leave neither root or branch, which fits Christ's teaching in Matthew 10:28 as well as other places.

I know what you're saying. But, through Christ Jesus repentance is our gift and it's for everyone. Salvation comes from repentance no matter whoever it is. What's the issue then?

JulieB67 · May 27, 2026

ProtestantChr1stian said:
Salvation comes from repentance no matter whoever it is.

Yes, this is true but that wasn't my point. You posted Matthew 25:46 as if it's proof that the punishment is eternal torment and not death in that verse. And that's why I stated and asked since when is death not considered punishment? It certainly was in the OT and is even still considered punishment today. The only difference is the second death is eternal. Malachi, Christ and Paul specifically point to complete destruction. And again, our Father's Word all throughout points to life or death.

ProtestantChr1stian · May 27, 2026

JulieB67 said:
Yes, this is true but that wasn't my point. You posted Matthew 25:46 as if it's proof that the punishment is eternal torment and not death in that verse. And that's why I stated and asked since when is death not considered punishment? It certainly was in the OT and is even still considered punishment today. The only difference is the second death is eternal. Malachi, Christ and Paul point to complete destruction.

Yes, certainly the verse I posted is the proof of eternal torment. Death in the context of hell is metaphorically used. It is not "death" death. Hell is the eternal separation from God. It could be considered asa metaphor for death as we don't have God for us there.
Regarding Matthew 10:28, I guess you've got it misunderstood. It is an encouragement for us believers to not fear anyone but only God who not only could destroy death but also the soul. But it does not mean it will happen to the wicked. They will be given hell and according to the Bible, there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth for eternity. There's no mention of destruction of soul concept contrary to your argument.

ProtestantChr1stian · May 27, 2026

ProtestantChr1stian said:
Yes, certainly the verse I posted is the proof of eternal torment. Death in the context of hell is metaphorically used. It is not "death" death. Hell is the eternal separation from God. It could be considered asa metaphor for death as we don't have God for us there.
Regarding Matthew 10:28, I guess you've got it misunderstood. It is an encouragement for us believers to not fear anyone but only God who not only could destroy body or flesh but also the soul. But it does not mean it will happen to the wicked. They will be given hell and according to the Bible, there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth for eternity. There's no mention of destruction of soul concept contrary to your argument.

Chaplain Jim · May 27, 2026

Dan1988 said:
There are many opposing interpretations of the Biblical doctrine of hell. Most Christian denominations, interpret "eternal torment in hell" as "Annihilationism". They teach that Gods Word cannot be taken literally and hell is not eternal, they teach that it's an instantaneous burning up and the person's body, sloe and spirt cease to exist.

This view is a direct contradiction to what Gods Word reveals.

Hell is a place of eternal punishment for the unrepentant, characterized by both separation from God's favour and the presence of his wrath. It is not a place of rehabilitation, but a permanent state of suffering for the wicked, who will experience "weeping and gnashing of teeth" and a fire that is not quenched.

God is present in hell not with kindness, mercy, and grace, but with his "wrathful presence" and just punishment.
Hell is a final, permanent state of punishment. The wicked are not annihilated, nor is there a second chance for salvation after death.

Punishment includes positive pains of body and soul, anguish, and despair, described through biblical metaphors like fire and gnashing of teeth.
The wicked are raised from the dead to be judged and then experience the "second death," which is an unending punishment.

The biblical doctrine of eternal torment in hell, which is understood as everlasting, conscious punishment for the unrighteous.
This view, often termed "Eternal Conscious Torment" is supported by scriptural passages like the parables of Jesus that use imagery of "unquenchable fire" and "undying worms," and phrases like "everlasting punishment". To sin against an eternal God warrants a severe and everlasting penalty.

The punishment for sin is considered unending, a concept supported by passages such as Matthew 25:46, which parallels "everlasting life" with "everlasting punishment".

Hell is a place of conscious torment, not annihilation. The wicked will remain conscious and aware of their suffering for eternity.
Hell is a place of final separation from God's presence and grace, it's not an absence of God. Instead, it is experiencing God's wrathful presence.
The torment is a manifestation of God's wrath, which is a just and righteous response to sin against His holy nature.

Some scriptural examples, are found in

Matthew 25:41, 46 Jesus speaks of sending the cursed "into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" and says these will go away "into everlasting punishment".

Mark 9:43, 48 Jesus uses the imagery of a "fire that never shall be quenched" and "where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched" to describe the place of judgment.

Revelation 14:11 The text says, "the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night".

Hebrews 12:29 God is described as a "consuming fire" in reference to his wrath.

Hell is bad news, period. Satan must laugh when individuals attempt to explain away hell. So it goes.

JulieB67 · May 27, 2026

ProtestantChr1stian said:
It is not "death" death.

Another that believes death is not really death, gotcha.

ProtestantChr1stian said:
. But it does not mean it will happen to the wicked.

We are told specifically what will happen to the wicked. They will be turned to ashes. Even Peter tells us that Sodom and Gomorrah is set as our example of what will happen.

ProtestantChr1stian said:
Hell is the eternal separation from God

So, says you. I'll take Christ's word for it when he specifically calls the Lake of Fire the second death. And when he states the former things will pass away and he makes "all" things new. But that's not really what he means is it? He means something else entirely according to you. I mean all doesn't really mean all just like death doesn't mean death..

But again, I'll accept his Word.

ProtestantChr1stian said:
I guess you've got it misunderstood

We'll see....

Chaplain Jim · May 27, 2026

Dan1988 said:
There are many opposing interpretations of the Biblical doctrine of hell. Most Christian denominations, interpret "eternal torment in hell" as "Annihilationism". They teach that Gods Word cannot be taken literally and hell is not eternal, they teach that it's an instantaneous burning up and the person's body, sloe and spirt cease to exist.

This view is a direct contradiction to what Gods Word reveals.

Hell is a place of eternal punishment for the unrepentant, characterized by both separation from God's favour and the presence of his wrath. It is not a place of rehabilitation, but a permanent state of suffering for the wicked, who will experience "weeping and gnashing of teeth" and a fire that is not quenched.

God is present in hell not with kindness, mercy, and grace, but with his "wrathful presence" and just punishment.
Hell is a final, permanent state of punishment. The wicked are not annihilated, nor is there a second chance for salvation after death.

Punishment includes positive pains of body and soul, anguish, and despair, described through biblical metaphors like fire and gnashing of teeth.
The wicked are raised from the dead to be judged and then experience the "second death," which is an unending punishment.

The biblical doctrine of eternal torment in hell, which is understood as everlasting, conscious punishment for the unrighteous.
This view, often termed "Eternal Conscious Torment" is supported by scriptural passages like the parables of Jesus that use imagery of "unquenchable fire" and "undying worms," and phrases like "everlasting punishment". To sin against an eternal God warrants a severe and everlasting penalty.

The punishment for sin is considered unending, a concept supported by passages such as Matthew 25:46, which parallels "everlasting life" with "everlasting punishment".

Hell is a place of conscious torment, not annihilation. The wicked will remain conscious and aware of their suffering for eternity.
Hell is a place of final separation from God's presence and grace, it's not an absence of God. Instead, it is experiencing God's wrathful presence.
The torment is a manifestation of God's wrath, which is a just and righteous response to sin against His holy nature.

Some scriptural examples, are found in

Matthew 25:41, 46 Jesus speaks of sending the cursed "into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" and says these will go away "into everlasting punishment".

Mark 9:43, 48 Jesus uses the imagery of a "fire that never shall be quenched" and "where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched" to describe the place of judgment.

Revelation 14:11 The text says, "the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night".

Hebrews 12:29 God is described as a "consuming fire" in reference to his wrath.

Thank you for your post!

ProtestantChr1stian · May 27, 2026

Chaplain Jim said:
Hell is bad news, period. Satan must laugh when individuals attempt to explain away hell. So it goes.

Absolutely true brother. Thank You.

ProtestantChr1stian · May 27, 2026

Chaplain Jim said:
Thank you for your post!

Dan1988 said:
There are many opposing interpretations of the Biblical doctrine of hell. Most Christian denominations, interpret "eternal torment in hell" as "Annihilationism". They teach that Gods Word cannot be taken literally and hell is not eternal, they teach that it's an instantaneous burning up and the person's body, sloe and spirt cease to exist.

This view is a direct contradiction to what Gods Word reveals.

Hell is a place of eternal punishment for the unrepentant, characterized by both separation from God's favour and the presence of his wrath. It is not a place of rehabilitation, but a permanent state of suffering for the wicked, who will experience "weeping and gnashing of teeth" and a fire that is not quenched.

God is present in hell not with kindness, mercy, and grace, but with his "wrathful presence" and just punishment.
Hell is a final, permanent state of punishment. The wicked are not annihilated, nor is there a second chance for salvation after death.

Punishment includes positive pains of body and soul, anguish, and despair, described through biblical metaphors like fire and gnashing of teeth.
The wicked are raised from the dead to be judged and then experience the "second death," which is an unending punishment.

The biblical doctrine of eternal torment in hell, which is understood as everlasting, conscious punishment for the unrighteous.
This view, often termed "Eternal Conscious Torment" is supported by scriptural passages like the parables of Jesus that use imagery of "unquenchable fire" and "undying worms," and phrases like "everlasting punishment". To sin against an eternal God warrants a severe and everlasting penalty.

The punishment for sin is considered unending, a concept supported by passages such as Matthew 25:46, which parallels "everlasting life" with "everlasting punishment".

Hell is a place of conscious torment, not annihilation. The wicked will remain conscious and aware of their suffering for eternity.
Hell is a place of final separation from God's presence and grace, it's not an absence of God. Instead, it is experiencing God's wrathful presence.
The torment is a manifestation of God's wrath, which is a just and righteous response to sin against His holy nature.

Some scriptural examples, are found in

Matthew 25:41, 46 Jesus speaks of sending the cursed "into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" and says these will go away "into everlasting punishment".

Mark 9:43, 48 Jesus uses the imagery of a "fire that never shall be quenched" and "where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched" to describe the place of judgment.

Revelation 14:11 The text says, "the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night".

Hebrews 12:29 God is described as a "consuming fire" in reference to his wrath.

Absolutely true brother. Thank You.

ProtestantChr1stian · May 27, 2026

JulieB67 said:
Another that believes death is not really death, gotcha.

We are told specifically what will happen to the wicked. They will be turned to ashes. Even Peter tells us that Sodom and Gomorrah is set as our example of what will happen.

So, says you. I'll take Christ's word for it when he specifically calls the Lake of Fire the second death. And when he states the former things will pass away and he makes "all" things new. But that's not really what he means is it? He means something else entirely according to you. I mean all doesn't really mean all just like death doesn't mean death..

But again, I'll accept his Word.

We'll see....

You've completely misunderstood everything. And yes we indeed will see. Remember me for then. I'll do too. We'll see who was correct. The Spirit of confusion disguised as Jesus for you or the REAL Lord and God Jesus Christ.

Chaplain Jim · May 27, 2026

Gotta admit... Sorta funny... Folks debating (arguing) over what hell is.

ProtestantChr1stian · May 27, 2026

Chaplain Jim said:
Gotta admit... Sorta funny... Folks debating (arguing) over what hell is.

It is no longer a matter of debate. It is now for the sake of clarity in Jesus name.

JulieB67 · May 27, 2026

ProtestantChr1stian said:
ou've completely misunderstood everything. And yes we indeed will see. Remember me for then. I'll do too. We'll see who was correct. The Spirit of confusion disguised as Jesus for you or the REAL Lord and God Jesus Christ.

Again, I once believed as you did ( I was indoctrinated with that belief early on) but upon reading and studying the bible in it's entirety over the years I see that it is not true. As do many others. There's too many verses that teach us what will specifically happen to the wicked. Are you going to just throw those away? Apparently.
And again when we take the bible as a whole and including context it's always been life or death. I'm not going to throw out the entire Word and cling to a few misunderstood verses that many do.
And when we take things back to the Hebrew and Greek, it can even be more clear at times.

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