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I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

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What is referred to below as the lake of fire is what we call hell today. The meaning of words change.

Matthew 13: 41-43 The Son of man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers, and throw them into the furnace of fire; there men will weep and gnash their teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. RSVCE

Rev 14:9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If any one worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also shall drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured unmixed into the cup of his anger, and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever; and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.” RSVCE
I have no issues with hell/the LoF. I just don't see any specific people getting tossed therein in the scriptures. No, not one.

The devil and his messengers will be tossed into the LoF. I'm good with that.
 
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I was just showing that the statement that Origen did not teach reconciliation of the devil is just plain false, I do not understand why you keep saying things like that, the writings of Origen and Gregory of Nyssa and others others do not agree with your statement.
  • Initial Speculation: In his earlier writings, such as On First Principles, Origen theorized that since all rational beings possess free will, even Satan and demons could theoretically repent and be reconciled to God after eons of purification.
  • Later Clarification: In subsequent debates and his later works (like Contra Celsum), Origen faced intense pushback and accusations of heresy. He responded by denying that he taught the devil would actually be saved. He argued that while the devil possesses the free will to choose reconciliation, his hubris and hardened will make it practically impossible.
 
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I have no issues with hell/the LoF. I just don't see any specific people getting tossed therein in the scriptures. No, not one.

The devil and his messengers will be tossed into the LoF. I'm good with that.
Phil 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; RSVCE
 
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Phil 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; RSVCE
Few here are going to dispute any scripture.

What is it YOU are trying to say by citing it?
 
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The responsibility for acting in ways contrary to the Kingdom falls on each individually. All in the world are free to leave the authourity of those original 70 gods at Babel and join in the will of the Father in allegiance and as one.
 
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The responsibility for acting in ways contrary to the Kingdom falls on each individually. All in the world are free to leave the authourity of those original 70 gods at Babel and join in the will of the Father in allegiance and as one.
Although all, at least in theory, may be free to do so, the vast majority are quite ignorant regarding anything at all related to Christianity.
 
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lthough all, at least in theory, may be free to do so, the vast majority are quite ignorant regarding anything at all related to Christianity
Yet many religions including Christianityknow about the false gods so there is no excuse that teachings should focus on the one true God to offer the choice, especially by greedy Christians who seem more focused on their own personal salvation. The world has been free for almost 2000 years to receive the gospel of the Kingdom and leave their gods without fear, yet Christianity chooses to sell anther gospel than the good news of the Kingdom. As long as the Adversary can keep Christians and the world misinformed. It need not fear the end. We were told only when the Gospel of the Kingdom was spread that the end would come. Christianity has fallen down on the job and refuses to even acknowledge the false gods and actual spiritual battle going on. We want Jesus? Do your job.
 
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Yet many religions including Christianityknow about the false gods so there is no excuse that teachings should focus on the one true God to offer the choice, especially by greedy Christians who seem more focused on their own personal salvation. The world has been free for almost 2000 years to receive the gospel of the Kingdom and leave their gods without fear, yet Christianity chooses to sell anther gospel than the good news of the Kingdom. As long as the Adversary can keep Christians and the world misinformed. It need not fear the end. We were told only when the Gospel of the Kingdom was spread that the end would come. Christianity has fallen down on the job and refuses to even acknowledge the false gods and actual spiritual battle going on. We want Jesus? Do your job.
The simple reality remains that, despite incredibly sacrificial efforts by Christians over the millennia, the majority of humanity does not know a thing about orthodox Christianity.

One can point, for example, to China, where the Bible was not only translated well over a century ago and has remained in publication and is, contrary to widespread belief, freely available to anyone who wishes to go into a government church and purchase one. Thus, in theory, every Chinese citizen has contact with Christianity. For the average Chinese person, Christianity is centered on an elderly, fat, bearded white man in a red suit trimmed in white whose festive day is in late December. They certainly don't perceive him as a false god. In fact, many are more than happy to hedge their bets and add statues of him, crucifixes, statues of Mary, of the Buddha, of Confucius, etc. to their ancestors on the home altar. For the current generation, atheism, despite its significant problems, is the most reasonable way to live.
 
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I believe these scriptures are clear about that. Am I misunderstanding?

1 John 4:14 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

1 Timothy 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

Lamentations 3:31 For the Lord will not cast off forever

Romans 5:18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

Romans 11:32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL people to myself.”

Revelation 21:5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

2 Corinthians 5:19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

John 6:51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

2 Corinthians 5:14-15 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; 15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.

Colossians 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

Luke 3:6 and all flesh shall see the salvation of God

Philippians 2:10-11 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

2 Samuel 14:14 We must all die; we are like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again. But God will not take away life, and he devises means so that the banished one will not remain an outcast.

Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Him, things in heaven and things on earth.

John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

1 Corinthians 15:22-28
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For “God[c] has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

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Those scriptures definitely on one hand seems to suggest all will be saved.

But more scriptures from the Old Testament through you suggest quite differently, some scriptures are listed below.
What Does the Bible Say About Who Wont Make It To Heaven? What Does the Bible Say About Who Wont Make It To Heaven?

What Does the Bible Say About Only Those Who Endure To The End Will Be Saved? What Does the Bible Say About Only Those Who Endure To The End Will Be Saved?

Jesus came to save all _ salvation is a gift for all BUT and that is a big but, all will not believe on him or in him. All will not obey his commandments and lead the life he has designed but instead continually and purposely commit sins that leads to damnation.

The ways all is used not meaning
 
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All have been, or will be, given the chance to repent of sin and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
Only those who chose to do so will be saved on the day of judgement.
Truth be told.
 
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I have always wondered how Christians can be happy living in heaven or where ever , while their unbelieving friends and loved ones are suffering somewhere else.

My mother ,father and brother have all passed on and were unbelievers , and as a believer I do wonder how happy I might be after I die knowing this. To be honest , I don't think i'm going to be happy at all unless I see them again.
I'm sixty - nine years old, and many relatives died as addicts and alcoholics.
In war your buddies die as you watch. The fire fight must continue though precious friends are giving it all. Reality isn't easy... Everything is a process...

God's word states that there is a wide gate and a wide path that leads to destruction and many are on it. (majority of mankind in my humble opinion)
God's word then states there is a narrow gate and narrow path that leads to salvation and few are on it. (minority of mankind in my humble opinion)
I've been born again of God and received the Holy Spirit at the age of six years old.

As I continue to age my passion for God increases. My passion for God's word increases. My passion to please my Lord and Savior increases.

In the book of Revelation, Jesus states that the lukewarm believers shall be spewed from His mouth. I call this scary Scripture. Makes me want to keep my spiritual house in order by kindling the fire of the Holy Spirit through daily prayer, reading God's word with the aid of the Holy Spirit, and engaging in praise and worship. An Evangelist friend (Nathan Morris) shared with me several years ago about kindling the fire of the Holy Spirit.

Friar Tuck, May God, Mightily bless you and your loved ones, In Jesus's Name!
 
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Truth be told.

What about those who never hear? Not all live in america and have unlimited christian teaching available.
I have had the privilege to smuggle Bibles into communist countries and many have never heard, even today, not even talking about those who have lived for hundreds of years with no Christian influences at all.
 
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