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Why do Americans think they have freedom when they don't?

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I saw this question asked elsewhere. I'm curious what type of responses people might make here:

Why do Americans think they have freedom when they absolutely don't?​

  1. Only americans and one 1 small african country are required to file and pay taxes even when working and living outside of the country. It's like a chain placed on a dog that is there anywhere they go.
  2. You don't get free healthcare.
  3. You only have 2 party system. It is made this way so each one blames the other one.
  4. Your social media, internet , personal info is all monitored and in NSA databases and now in Palantir database with AI surveillance. That's why your mail box is filled with garbage spam mails.
  5. You can't open a foreign brokerage or a foreign bank account.
  6. You have to report transactions made in your foreign bank account
  7. You don't own and never will own a property you already paid for. You have to pay property tax higher than the rent in other countries.
  8. No access to real information and everything being fed to them is a lie and propaganda. Like actual and true job reports, inflation, Epstein files etc
  9. Americans bank and brokerage accounts gets confiscated by the state when it does not have movement within 2 years. It's called eschewment.
  10. American food is highly processed, toxic and poison and some of these are even banned in other countries.
  11. There are ads everywhere of drugs , TV, media, billboards. As if drugs are like candy. "Hey we know you gonna get sick because of all the poisons we feed you so here's the possible cure for that"
  12. Public transport is non existent.
  13. Infrastructure is deteriorating, roads are filled with potholes , bridges are decaying and rotting
  14. There are no sidewalks or very few of them , and you can get ran over by a truck if you try walking on the side of the road.
Note: I don't necessarily agree with these, at least one I don't believe is true -- but just curious what others here think.
 

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I saw this question asked elsewhere. I'm curious what type of responses people might make here:

Why do Americans think they have freedom when they absolutely don't?​

  1. Only americans and one 1 small african country are required to file and pay taxes even when working and living outside of the country. It's like a chain placed on a dog that is there anywhere they go.
  2. You don't get free healthcare.
  3. You only have 2 party system. It is made this way so each one blames the other one.
  4. Your social media, internet , personal info is all monitored and in NSA databases and now in Palantir database with AI surveillance. That's why your mail box is filled with garbage spam mails.
  5. You can't open a foreign brokerage or a foreign bank account.
  6. You have to report transactions made in your foreign bank account
  7. You don't own and never will own a property you already paid for. You have to pay property tax higher than the rent in other countries.
  8. No access to real information and everything being fed to them is a lie and propaganda. Like actual and true job reports, inflation, Epstein files etc
  9. Americans bank and brokerage accounts gets confiscated by the state when it does not have movement within 2 years. It's called eschewment.
  10. American food is highly processed, toxic and poison and some of these are even banned in other countries.
  11. There are ads everywhere of drugs , TV, media, billboards. As if drugs are like candy. "Hey we know you gonna get sick because of all the poisons we feed you so here's the possible cure for that"
  12. Public transport is non existent.
  13. Infrastructure is deteriorating, roads are filled with potholes , bridges are decaying and rotting
  14. There are no sidewalks or very few of them , and you can get ran over by a truck if you try walking on the side of the road.
Note: I don't necessarily agree with these, at least one I don't believe is true -- but just curious what others here think.
We are free to agree with President Trump.
 
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  1. Public transport is non existent.
  2. Infrastructure is deteriorating, roads are filled with potholes , bridges are decaying and rotting
  3. There are no sidewalks or very few of them , and you can get ran over by a truck if you try walking on the side of the road.
In the USA it does bother me how much you have to buy in to the extremely expensive and wasteful single user automobile system just to exist as a proper person, for the most part.
 
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Nobody has freedom unless they live off the grid in the woods or in some border regions.

What people in most countries have are liberties, meaning the ability to freely act inside a framework of laws and behaviours codified by society.

American society gives it's citizens liberties in some rather unusual ways while restricting others that people in most other countries find essential. I don't think that the amount of liberties is very different and certainly much higher than in most countries, it's just a matter of different priorities.
 
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I saw this question asked elsewhere. I'm curious what type of responses people might make here:

Why do Americans think they have freedom when they absolutely don't?​

  1. Only americans and one 1 small african country are required to file and pay taxes even when working and living outside of the country. It's like a chain placed on a dog that is there anywhere they go.
  2. You don't get free healthcare.
  3. You only have 2 party system. It is made this way so each one blames the other one.
  4. Your social media, internet , personal info is all monitored and in NSA databases and now in Palantir database with AI surveillance. That's why your mail box is filled with garbage spam mails.
  5. You can't open a foreign brokerage or a foreign bank account.
  6. You have to report transactions made in your foreign bank account
  7. You don't own and never will own a property you already paid for. You have to pay property tax higher than the rent in other countries.
  8. No access to real information and everything being fed to them is a lie and propaganda. Like actual and true job reports, inflation, Epstein files etc
  9. Americans bank and brokerage accounts gets confiscated by the state when it does not have movement within 2 years. It's called eschewment.
  10. American food is highly processed, toxic and poison and some of these are even banned in other countries.
  11. There are ads everywhere of drugs , TV, media, billboards. As if drugs are like candy. "Hey we know you gonna get sick because of all the poisons we feed you so here's the possible cure for that"
  12. Public transport is non existent.
  13. Infrastructure is deteriorating, roads are filled with potholes , bridges are decaying and rotting
  14. There are no sidewalks or very few of them , and you can get ran over by a truck if you try walking on the side of the road.
Note: I don't necessarily agree with these, at least one I don't believe is true -- but just curious what others here think.
My rebuttal to that is pointing out the millions of people from other countries who continually flock to the United States for a better quality life. And the millions more who would like to.
 
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I saw this question asked elsewhere. I'm curious what type of responses people might make here:

Why do Americans think they have freedom when they absolutely don't?​

  1. Only americans and one 1 small african country are required to file and pay taxes even when working and living outside of the country. It's like a chain placed on a dog that is there anywhere they go.
  2. You don't get free healthcare.
  3. You only have 2 party system. It is made this way so each one blames the other one.
  4. Your social media, internet , personal info is all monitored and in NSA databases and now in Palantir database with AI surveillance. That's why your mail box is filled with garbage spam mails.
  5. You can't open a foreign brokerage or a foreign bank account.
  6. You have to report transactions made in your foreign bank account
  7. You don't own and never will own a property you already paid for. You have to pay property tax higher than the rent in other countries.
  8. No access to real information and everything being fed to them is a lie and propaganda. Like actual and true job reports, inflation, Epstein files etc
  9. Americans bank and brokerage accounts gets confiscated by the state when it does not have movement within 2 years. It's called eschewment.
  10. American food is highly processed, toxic and poison and some of these are even banned in other countries.
  11. There are ads everywhere of drugs , TV, media, billboards. As if drugs are like candy. "Hey we know you gonna get sick because of all the poisons we feed you so here's the possible cure for that"
  12. Public transport is non existent.
  13. Infrastructure is deteriorating, roads are filled with potholes , bridges are decaying and rotting
  14. There are no sidewalks or very few of them , and you can get ran over by a truck if you try walking on the side of the road.
Note: I don't necessarily agree with these, at least one I don't believe is true -- but just curious what others here think.
Very few of these address things that I would consider freedoms. Some of them, ironically enough, are freedoms but are counted against freedom. Freedom does not free from consequences.
 
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Why do Americans think they have freedom when they absolutely don't?​

The list has a very strange view of freedom, i.e. liberty: the ability to do what you want because "it's a free country". That's a different kind of free than "free healthcare", i.e. with no direct price associated with it.
  1. Only americans and one 1 small african country are required to file and pay taxes even when working and living outside of the country. It's like a chain placed on a dog that is there anywhere they go.
It's not really a thing I've considered. I suppose it's unfair and almost unique among countries, but "taxation without domicilation" doesn't get me het up.
  1. You don't get free healthcare.
Again unusual in the developed world, but this has nothing to do with liberty.
  1. You only have 2 party system. It is made this way so each one blames the other one.
Regrettable, but everyone has the freedom to vote for all sorts of parties, even if the mathematics of our system drive us to two parties.
  1. Your social media, internet , personal info is all monitored and in NSA databases and now in Palantir database with AI surveillance. That's why your mail box is filled with garbage spam mails.
As long as the government is not curtailing my freedom of speech, I don't see what this has to do with freedom. I freely clicked the box on all those EULAs and whatnot.
  1. You can't open a foreign brokerage or a foreign bank account.
I mean, I'm not a criminal or a billionaire. Do I need this?
  1. You have to report transactions made in your foreign bank account
Hey, I thought I couldn't open one!
  1. You don't own and never will own a property you already paid for. You have to pay property tax higher than the rent in other countries.
If I've paid the mortgage and hold the deed, I own it. Property taxes are not about ownership. [Indeed, it is the owner of record who has to pay them.]

The list then devolves into a bunch of complaints about the US that dive either into irrelevance on the topic of freedom or conspiracy theories.
 
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Surely you get the deeds of your house once the mortgage is paid?
Yes, we do get the deed, but have to pay a yearly property tax forever. Those are suppose to be used for things like schools and emergency services like police and fire departments and EMS and other public services.
 
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  1. You can't open a foreign brokerage or a foreign bank account.
  2. You have to report transactions made in your foreign bank account
I own a house in Belize and if I sell it and put the money in an off-shore account, why does the USA insist on a piece of it?
 
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Yes, we do get the deed, but have to pay a yearly property tax forever. Those are suppose to be used for things like schools and emergency services like police and fire departments and EMS and other public services.
That seems reasonable. We do something similar 'cept it's called council taxes. Goes to pay for the upkeep of local amenities. It's based on the value of your land, not the value of the property. So if I had a one bedroom shack next to my neigbour's 4 bedroom house then we'd pay the same. Which is currently about U$1400 p.a.
 
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