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I am more than just self-aware I think

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The idea was that the Big Bang was just energy, and then mass was made from this energy, and then life came into being: I thought maybe life is just being self-reflective, that genes create the soul, and then it becomes self-reflective for about 100 years, more or less. And then it disappears again.

I wouldn't feel alive if I was just self-reflective I think, I would still be some kind of machine that only thought about itself. That's what you would get if you made a robot that thought about itself, it wouldn't be alive anyway.

Living is something more I think, it's a bit like when people say colors aren't real, it's just the way we interpret it when the photons hit the eye, exactly, I think colors are there anyway.

I feel more than just self-reflective. Negative thoughts and feelings, are not built into us, for example, but come from when positive ones give off feelings and thoughts of lower value. I think pain is the same too, it is the good feelings that are built into us, pains are lower values of these, it is precisely the fact that we live that makes us experience it. I`m not sure if we`re actually born to feel pain, like a part of the body, or that we just experience it because it`s lower energy.

I don't know also, if consciousness is just created anew every time a life is created. Or if it comes from a source in nature, some kind of ancient force. But I think I am more than just being self-conscious, at least I feel it, I live for 60-100 years maybe, after that I don't know
 

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Yeah, absolutely no idea what at all you're trying to say.

But also, and this is not the first time that I have seen this claim, but the soul doesn't come from genes. The soul is something entirely different and beyond the scope of biological science that it is supernatural.

And yes, technically, consciousness is created anew every time a life is created. Every child that is born has a conscious. So, if you want to be quite oblique about it, that ancient force is humanity.

I'd REALLY hesitate to be calling you self-conscious, because you're just coming across as very confused and confusing.
 
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Yeah, absolutely no idea what at all you're trying to say.

But also, and this is not the first time that I have seen this claim, but the soul doesn't come from genes. The soul is something entirely different and beyond the scope of biological science that it is supernatural.

And yes, technically, consciousness is created anew every time a life is created. Every child that is born has a conscious. So, if you want to be quite oblique about it, that ancient force is humanity.

I'd REALLY hesitate to be calling you self-conscious, because you're just coming across as very confused and confusing.

Yes, I know the soul isn`t from genes, it`s actually ancient wisdom, it`s more like transfered from person to person at birth
 
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Yes, I know the soul isn`t from genes, it`s actually ancient wisdom, it`s more like transfered from person to person at birth

Eh, the theological discussions on that are varied and different depending on belief.

But your OP is just... where's the science in it?
 
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If that is true that we divide our soul and pass it down we’d be feeling entropy right now. And if it divides itself and becomes a whole new one…. But you’re talking about a spiritual thing and not higher than the flesh. Why make a whole new philosophy and biology of the soul when everything’s been said and done already. It what it seems like to you, through your perceptions and your thoughts without God. Are you trying to be like God?
 
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I wouldn't feel alive if I was just self-reflective I think, I would still be some kind of machine that only thought about itself. That's what you would get if you made a robot that thought about itself, it wouldn't be alive anyway.

Man is a tripartite: body, soul, and spirit.

The body gives us world consciousness through our empirical senses.

The soul gives us self consciousness through our mind, will, and emotions.

The spirit gives us God consciousness through His word and His creation.
 
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If that is true that we divide our soul and pass it down we’d be feeling entropy right now. And if it divides itself and becomes a whole new one…. But you’re talking about a spiritual thing and not higher than the flesh. Why make a whole new philosophy and biology of the soul when everything’s been said and done already. It what it seems like to you, through your perceptions and your thoughts without God. Are you trying to be like God?

Well, I do think our souls are connected to the universe, like spiritual, sort of higher form
 
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Hi @Gjestel , Warden of the Storm thought you were possibly very confused and certainly confusing.



@Warden_of_the_Storm. I don't agree. I think he nailed it in the last clause, of the last sentence of the last paragraph, of his first post.

I still don't see what this at all has to do with science.
 
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Well, I do think our souls are connected to the universe, like spiritual, sort of higher form

Who said that? Are you a naturalist….. i think Scandinavia is a fine place. The people are so beautiful and creative. I’ve watched several families build their own off grid log cabins. The winters must be a little difficult. Do you have a life science background? ground. What do you feel about the flesh and the spirit combo. You know the flesh lusts against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh’ in your own being. The flesh is the negative and the spirit is willing to follow.

So you think man is basically good.
 
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I still don't see what this at all has to do with science.
Nothing at all. He has an excellent, but wholly untrained and uncontrolled imagination. Buses are designed to facilitate, for example, commuting, but put a drunk, non-driver in one and very few, if any, commuters will reach their destination. Buses and imaginations are analogous.
 
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Nothing at all. He has an excellent, but wholly untrained and uncontrolled imagination. Buses are designed to facilitate, for example, commuting, but put a drunk, non-driver in one and very few, if any, commuters will reach their destination. Buses and imaginations are analogous.

Reminds me of this post:

Tell tulc I asked if he would like his loved ones to be on a bus going down a mountainside, whose driver just got judged for his lifestyle.
 
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Oh shut up.
There is a methodology available that allows you to simulate silence as originating from a member, or members of your choice. It's very peaceful and no animals are injured during its use.
 
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There is a methodology available that allows you to simulate silence as originating from a member, or members of your choice. It's very peaceful and no animals are injured during its use.
It does not work on the OP as they keep making new accounts.
 
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I'm failing to see what anything in this thread has to do with science, and discussions here should probably at least try to link or allude to that in my opinion, but what the hay, I'll throw in my two cents I guess?

I don't know what the soul is. To me, there is just flesh and spirit for the most part most of the time, the spirit of a person being the only thing unchangeable/indestructable/eternal, etc, but if I was to theorize about a person's "soul", I was told somewhere that it is connected to the blood, and that the blood was connected to memory, or that it was kind of like the videotape recording/memory of a person's life/experiences here maybe? But that also kept a record of a person's feelings that maybe made them/shaped them while they were here and maybe perhaps continuing on after this maybe? (But blood seems to be absent from resurrected spirit bodies, etc) (According to scripture as evidenced by Jesus resurrected body anyway, etc) (and there is scripture that talks about blood talking also, etc).

But again, this is the Physical and Life Sciences forum, and so if were going to discuss it here, then we should probably try to find a way to at least link it to something/anything pertaining to that probably.

Take Care/God Bless.
 
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Man is a tripartite: body, soul, and spirit.

The body gives us world consciousness through our empirical senses.

The soul gives us self consciousness through our mind, will, and emotions.

The spirit gives us God consciousness through His word and His creation.
Trichotomist versus dichotmist. The words pneuma and psyche seem interchangeable to me in the New Testament. We are both material and immaterial.

Science can examine the material aspects of our being but not the immaterial.

Aquinas defined souls in terms of vegetative, sensitive and rational. The human soul made in Gods image is unique in that it has rationality, agency, creativity and a capacity for worship. The animal soul that behaviorists like to reduce us to is just senses, instincts and a response to stimuli.
 
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Well, I do think our souls are connected to the universe, like spiritual, sort of higher form

Our bodies are connected to the universe as is all matter/energy. This aspect of who we are can be examined by science. But our souls are unique and personal and given to us at conception. These are distinct from the rest of creation even though different souls have many similarities. Our souls are made to relate to God.
 
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