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Good Guy with a Gun Prevents Teen from Returning Malfunctioning Airsoft Pistol to Sporting Goods Store

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Call me wacky, but here's a thought: why not join the rest of advanced Western Nations and take the guns out of the hands of civilians!

You will be safer, look at the data.
The huge issue there is that it is a case of putting the djinn back in the bottle or belling the cat. Except in this case if one is 95% successful the result is guns only in the hands of those you least want to have them.

Also to do it legally it would require a constitutional amendment. If the government instead runs roughshod over the constitution then the people have reason to fear and distrust the government.
 
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The huge issue there is that it is a case of putting the djinn back in the bottle or belling the cat. Except in this case if one is 95% successful the result is guns only in the hands of those you least want to have them.
I agree that this is indeed a legitimate point. However, I think it is the only argument from the gun rights side that has any merit whatsoever.
Also to do it legally it would require a constitutional amendment.
Ok
If the government instead runs roughshod over the constitution then the people have reason to fear and distrust the government.
How is this an argument? Constitutional amendments are legitimate democratic actions aren't they? The 19th amendment to the constitution gave women the right to vote - was this "government running roughshod over the Constitution"?

Of course not.

The right to a gun is an outdated relic that should be done away with in a modern society (subject, of course, to solving the "putting the djinn back in the bottle" argument that you have wisely raised).
 
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I agree that this is indeed a legitimate point. However, I think it is the only argument from the gun rights side that has any merit whatsoever.

Ok

How is this an argument? Constitutional amendments are legitimate democratic actions aren't they? The 19th amendment to the constitution gave women the right to vote - was this "government running roughshod over the Constitution"?

Of course not.

The right to a gun is an outdated relic that should be done away with in a modern society (subject, of course, to solving the "putting the djinn back in the bottle" argument that you have wisely raised).
A constitutional amendment is fine by me. In the current political environment the chance of any constructional amendment passing is slim to none. A controversial one has even less chance than that.

I should have point out the near impossibility of that legitimate path working.
 
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There once was a good guy with a gun
His duty to mankind ne’er would he shun
Strong wind did he break
And his six-shooter spake
And now his big toe count is one
Work it into a two stanza haiku?
 
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Off-duty security guard fatally shoots Renton teen after mistaking BB gun for real firearm


"(The suspect) believed the group was going to commit armed robbery at the location," noted investigators. Police said the 51-year-old told them he felt that he didn't have enough time to call 911 to prevent the alleged armed robbery, so to protect his son nearby, he said "he had a duty to stop the individuals."

Aaron Brown Myers, 52, was convicted Friday of second-degree murder and assault in the shooting death of 17-year-old Hazrat Ali Rohani outside Big 5 Sporting Goods store in Renton, a Seattle suburb.

Myers faces from just over 20 years to 28 years for the murder plus another 10 years for firearm enhancements, according to the King County Prosecutor's Office.

As he held them at gunpoint, Rohani, who went by Ali, dropped the fake gun and held up his hands.

"When Ali turned to walk away, Mr. Myers decided to shoot him once, twice over and over and over, continuing to shoot as Ali fell to his knees and hands, continuing to shoot as Ali fell face down to the ground," Lee said.

In all, Myers fired seven shots, six of which hit Rohani in the back.
 
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Aaron Brown Myers, 52, was convicted Friday of second-degree murder and assault in the shooting death of 17-year-old Hazrat Ali Rohani outside Big 5 Sporting Goods store in Renton, a Seattle suburb.

Myers faces from just over 20 years to 28 years for the murder plus another 10 years for firearm enhancements, according to the King County Prosecutor's Office.

As he held them at gunpoint, Rohani, who went by Ali, dropped the fake gun and held up his hands.

"When Ali turned to walk away, Mr. Myers decided to shoot him once, twice over and over and over, continuing to shoot as Ali fell to his knees and hands, continuing to shoot as Ali fell face down to the ground," Lee said.

In all, Myers fired seven shots, six of which hit Rohani in the back.
What an idiot, I’m glad he got such a stiff sentence. I don’t know what this guy was thinking but he definitely deserves what he got, if not more so. It kind of sounds like a classic case of security guard wanting to play cops & robbers and looking for an excuse to shoot someone. I own 4 guns and am in the process of buying a 5th gun for hunting and all my guns stay locked up in my safe at home. My guns are for hunting and home protection, I don’t carry them around with me. It’s unfortunate that because of idiots like this guy that guns have gotten a bad reputation when in reality they save more lives than they actually harm.
 
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What an idiot, I’m glad he got such a stiff sentence. I don’t know what this guy was thinking but he definitely deserves what he got, if not more so. It kind of sounds like a classic case of security guard wanting to play cops & robbers and looking for an excuse to shoot someone. I own 4 guns and am in the process of buying a 5th gun for hunting and all my guns stay locked up in my safe at home. My guns are for hunting and home protection, I don’t carry them around with me. It’s unfortunate that because of idiots like this guy that guns have gotten a bad reputation when in reality they save more lives than they actually harm.
While we agree this guy is an idiot, or malicious, I would like to see data that guns save more people then they harm.
 
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While we agree this guy is an idiot, or malicious, I would like to see data that guns save more people then they harm.
Yeah well how do you put a number on how many people decide not to commit a crime because they’re afraid they might get shot?
 
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Yeah well how do you put a number on how many people decide not to commit a crime because they’re afraid they might get shot?
The problem is, as Sheriff J.D. Smith once observed, most criminals aren't very smart. Deterrence only works on people with some sense of consequences.
 
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Yeah well how do you put a number on how many people decide not to commit a crime because they’re afraid they might get shot?
That is an excellent question. How do you go about doing so? I presume you are including these in your claim that guns save more lives then they take?
 
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That is an excellent question. How do you go about doing so? I presume you are including these in your claim that guns save more lives then they take?
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Estimates of crimes prevented by firearms each year range widely from 60,000 to 2.5 million, depending on the survey and methodology used. Because most defensive gun uses do not result in shots fired or a police report, measuring these incidents precisely is notoriously difficult
 
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Estimates of crimes prevented by firearms each year range widely from 60,000 to 2.5 million, depending on the survey and methodology used. Because most defensive gun uses do not result in shots fired or a police report, measuring these incidents precisely is notoriously difficult
What prompt did you use?
 
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Estimates of crimes prevented by firearms each year range widely from 60,000 to 2.5 million, depending on the survey and methodology used. Because most defensive gun uses do not result in shots fired or a police report, measuring these incidents precisely is notoriously difficult
So it is not something that can be easily measured or appears. This is further impacted that we are wanting to look at the subset of homicidal crimes prevented. It would be interesting to see a per capita study against countries with strict gun control. Then again, I'm certain there Are other variables that would need to be factored in.
 
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Estimates of crimes prevented by firearms each year range widely from 60,000 to 2.5 million, depending on the survey and methodology used. Because most defensive gun uses do not result in shots fired or a police report, measuring these incidents precisely is notoriously difficult
Many years ago, the National Safety Council did a study of that. They looked into literature, news reports, NRA data, and so on, to include cases of people brandishing a firearm to ward off attackers or intruders. They then looked at accidental firearm deaths, killings by family members, and so on. Their conclusion was that something like 20% of Americans lived in places dangerous enough that having a firearm was safer than not having one.

If anyone is interested, I can look for that.
 
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