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A possible huge bug of our science

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I'd like to see your opinions on my speculation on the huge bug of science.

Science is experiment-based, humans are however incapable of stepping outside of our own space to do experiments. That is to say, science is incapable of detecting even the simplest existences as long as they don't lie within our own space/realm.

On the other hand, spirituality as an advocate from the very beginning of humanity is never about existences lying within our own realm/space. Rather it's always about things lying outside of our realm/space, which science is not futile about but also completely irrelevant. This inability of humankind may lead to the hugest bug our human science may have introduced.

Due to our inability to detect existences outside of our space, which our 5 senses can detect, we somehow have to (by ability) assume that our universe is made of a simple 3D space. In truth however, this simpleton assumption may be wrong (very wrong). Our universe can be made of multiple 3D spaces acting upon each other. Genesis 1:1, in the beginning God created heavens... The plural form of Heaven may well represent that God created multiple spaces in order to achieve the formation of our universe and to facilitate the Earth we are now seeing and knowing.

Subsequently our naive assumption tells us that dark matters and dark energy shall lie within this universe which we may wrongly assume it a simple 3D space. We don't have the ability to calculate inter-space forces if there are any. We can't find dark matters and dark energy possibly because they are results of matters in multiple spaces interacting with each other, in order to form the universe we superficially perceive.

Quantum physics seems to say the same, it cannot be modeled by a simple 3D space/time concept.

What would you say, especially fellow Christian scientists.
 

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If you can't detect something, why believe it?

Good question. Humans lost sense on why a God is needed. When a God is a necessity for each and every individual, then you need to believe as it remains the only possible way for this individual to reach such a God who he needs as the necessity.

Moreover, humans are fooled to think that, "if they can't detect something, they don't need to believe". In reality, humans believe everything they can't touch all the times as humans are incapable of actually touching anything. Even science, can you "touch" black holes"? 99% can't with their 5 senses. Can you "touch" the vote counts before you believe who your legitimate president is? Again, 99% (or shall I say 100%) humans can't "touch" the true figure with their 5 senses. Humans are incapable of touching anything if the touch is limited to their own 5 senses. This says at some point one needs to deliever faith to believe merely in order to reach a truth. 99% humans get to the truth of black holes by delivering faith in the scientists who have a direct touch of the black holes. This 99% humans don't need to touch anything to reach the said truth!

This is how reality works which humans are fooled to believe that it's not so but something else.
 
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The bible promises God spirit will be with you,
and that promise is true,
you can know God and sense what he does to you and how his presence accompanies you,
as real as any science could be,
atheist like to say "hallucinations, drugs, mental illneses", bro no, year after year you can live with God in your life as the bible says.
 
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The bible promises God spirit will be with you,
and that promise is true,
you can know God and sense what he does to you and how his presence accompanies you,
as real as any science could be,
atheist like to say "hallucinations, drugs, mental illneses", bro no, year after year you can live with God in your life as the bible says.

The bigger picture is, humans have to rely to faith to reach each and every single truth (outside the reach of their own 5 senses). Earth serves the purpose of assessing human faith. It's a situation that you need faith to approach every single truth, while you need faith to approach God.
 
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Good question. Humans lost sense on why a God is needed. When a God is a necessity for each and every individual, then you need to believe as it remains the only possible way for this individual to reach such a God who he needs as the necessity.

Moreover, humans are fooled to think that, "if they can't detect something, they don't need to believe". In reality, humans believe everything they can't touch all the times as humans are incapable of actually touching anything. Even science, can you "touch" black holes"? 99% can't with their 5 senses. Can you "touch" the vote counts before you believe who your legitimate president is? Again, 99% (or shall I say 100%) humans can't "touch" the true figure with their 5 senses. Humans are incapable of touching anything if the touch is limited to their own 5 senses. This says at some point one needs to deliever faith to believe merely in order to reach a truth. 99% humans get to the truth of black holes by delivering faith in the scientists who have a direct touch of the black holes. This 99% humans don't need to touch anything to reach the said truth!

This is how reality works which humans are fooled to believe that it's not so but something else.
Why should I believe that something I can't detect is a necessity? Seems that this necessity is an undetectable quality.

Too, let's not go to the tropes, "you can't see air", "you can't touch a black hole". All these things are detectable. None of this requires faith.

And that 99% is gonna need a citation.
 
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Why should I believe that something I can't detect is a necessity? Seems that this necessity is an undetectable quality.

Too, let's not go to the tropes, "you can't see air", "you can't touch a black hole". All these things are detectable. None of this requires faith.

And that 99% is gonna need a citation.

You don't have the ability to detect the future but you need to prepare for it. That's why you need to find job at all! You can't detect what could possibly happen after your retirement, that's the exact reason why you need to (sometimes even forced into by a government) join a pension plan at all! Get a clue!
 
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As I see this topic straying into general apologetics which is verbotten outside CO sections of CF, I will bow out now.

Good for you, you can only deliever nonsense anyway. It's you who went off-topic first. You sound as if you can only believe what are reachable by science only. It's out of your ability to detect not only the future but also the past. That's why you have to believe history. Don't sound as if you can detect Abraham Lincoln to know that he actualy won the votes to be a legitimate president.

You failed to live the reality. That's your problem! Get a clue! Science can only be a tool to detect, 1) a phenomenon which is repeatable, and 2) existences lying within our own space. Believing is a necessity if one would know what lies outside the reach of our incapable science (which completely lacks ability to explore outside of our own space). It says you can't rely on science to approach God at all! I'll leave it to your own decision on whether you need to seek God or not!

Next time when you join a discusion, make sure that you stick to the topic others started! The topic is on whether our science possibly made a wrong assumption (if you still don't know what the topic is).
 
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Live the reality? I'm not the one believing imaginary things.

I know you don't have the ability to tell apart what witnessing and imagination are. Imagination is the lack of valid human witnessing. It's for your knowledge gain and it's for free!

Next time when you join a discusion, make sure that you stick to the topic others started! The topic is on whether our science possibly made a wrong assumption (if you still don't know what the topic is).
 
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I'd like to see your opinions on my speculation on the huge bug of science.

Science is experiment-based, humans are however incapable of stepping outside of our own space to do experiments. That is to say, science is incapable of detecting even the simplest existences as long as they don't lie within our own space/realm.

On the other hand, spirituality as an advocate from the very beginning of humanity is never about existences lying within our own realm/space. Rather it's always about things lying outside of our realm/space, which science is not futile about but also completely irrelevant. This inability of humankind may lead to the hugest bug our human science may have introduced.

Due to our inability to detect existences outside of our space, which our 5 senses can detect, we somehow have to (by ability) assume that our universe is made of a simple 3D space. In truth however, this simpleton assumption may be wrong (very wrong). Our universe can be made of multiple 3D spaces acting upon each other. Genesis 1:1, in the beginning God created heavens... The plural form of Heaven may well represent that God created multiple spaces in order to achieve the formation of our universe and to facilitate the Earth we are now seeing and knowing.

Subsequently our naive assumption tells us that dark matters and dark energy shall lie within this universe which we may wrongly assume it a simple 3D space. We don't have the ability to calculate inter-space forces if there are any. We can't find dark matters and dark energy possibly because they are results of matters in multiple spaces interacting with each other, in order to form the universe we superficially perceive.

Quantum physics seems to say the same, it cannot be modeled by a simple 3D space/time concept.

What would you say, especially fellow Christian scientists.
If there is nothing detectable why assume anything is there?
 
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If there is nothing detectable why assume anything is there?

If you don't assume something how can you form a science? You already knew Newton laws before you prove so?

Next time when you join a discusion, make sure that you stick to the topic others started! The topic is on whether our science possibly made a wrong assumption (if you still don't know what the topic is).
 
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When a God is a necessity for each and every individual, then you need to believe as it remains the only possible way for this individual to reach such a God who he needs as the necessity.
May I have a go on your merry go round? I too enjoy circular reasoning.
 
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May I have a go on your merry go round? I too enjoy circular reasoning.

It's simple logic to me. Be polite if you want to know what it is. I actually hinted in my previous posts.

Why don't you just try to ask a question politely if you have one? Or are you incapable of doing so?
 
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You don't have the ability to detect the future but you need to prepare for it.
So you’re saying that which we can imagine is necessarily true? Seems an odd position.
 
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So you’re saying that which we can imagine is necessarily true? Seems an odd position.
What? Did you see my reply above.

I know you don't have the ability to tell apart what witnessing and imagination are. Imagination is the lack of valid human witnessing. It's for your knowledge gain and it's for free!
 
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If you don't assume something how can you form a science? You already knew Newton laws before you prove so?

Next time when you join a discusion, make sure that you stick to the topic others started! The topic is on whether our science possibly made a wrong assumption (if you still don't know what the topic is).
Aside from assuming the world is real what assumptions need to be made?
 
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Aside from assuming the world is real what assumptions need to be made?
Assumption that existences can't exist outside the reach of our science which is actually an incapable tool as shown. This assumption as I put in my first post, it's against human testimonies and human advocates along humanity. Science is to open to possibilities, not to close them.
 
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