White House to host 9-hour prayer festival focused on Christian roots of U.S.

DennisF · May 18, 2026

Say it aint so said:
The United States of America is not rooted in Christian origins. And if one wanted to argue that, one could point to the founding fathers leaving England to get away from divine kingships. Or more commonly put, a nation intertwined with Christianity.

The original 13 New England colonies in America had founding documents that explicitly established Jesus Christ as Lord of their colonies. In time, and under British but also French Enlightenment influence, the Enlightenment rebellion against the Lord led some of the landed aristocrats in America who were leaders in the secret societies of the Freemasons and Jesuits and are referred to as the U.S. Founders to successfully carry out a bloodless rebellion against the colonial basis for government, replacing J.C. with what Israel replaced Yahweh with while Moses was on Mt. Sinai: "We the people" are the god of the Enlightenment. Colonial America had Christian govt that was overthrown by the Rebellion of 1789 and replaced by an Enlightenment-based govt. The consequences in time are now becoming obvious. The United States, as a government, was (to misquote Isaiah) born in iniquity and in sin did its Founders conceive it. We have now reached the steep knee of the curve of consequences.

In contrast, the countries of Panama and Belize, as counter-examples, state clearly in their constitutions that God is supreme over their governments. One can argue about how consistently this is applied at times, but the foundation is there. In the country of Belize, Cabinet (Ministry) meetings are begun with a prayer to Jesus as Lord, offered by one of the attendees, not a govt clergyman, and not pre-planned but from the heart. In Belize, the J-word is not forbidden from public discourse as in the USA through tacit cultural hostility; "Jesus is Lord of San Ignacio" is a sign posted at the boundary of the Cayo District seat. Can you imagine a prominent sign in the USA declaring "Jesus is Lord of Chicago"?

This prayer marathon of the U.S. Leaders attempts to reach a God who is increasingly distant from Washington, yet the Leaders suppose that by having a bigger and better event that they can somehow curry his favor. It is Malachi-era religion, and Yahweh's response then applies equally now: don't give me more facile religiosity; change your outlook and behavior on how you maintain the status quo of those in power, the rich who influence you with donations.

The Underdog of Washington, Jesus Christ, has said this in response to a 1960s American audience through Saturday morning cartoons:

In this world the headlines read
Of those whose hearts are filled with greed
And rob or plunder those in need
To right this wrong at lightning speed
Goes Underdog (Underdog) ...

Except that "lightning speed" for God can be centuries on our time-scale.

iluvatar5150 · May 18, 2026

essentialsaltes said:
The event featured a video of President Donald Trump reading from 2 Corinthians

lol, really? Did he at least pronounce it correctly this time?

Say it aint so · May 18, 2026

DennisF said:
The original 13 New England colonies in America had founding documents that explicitly established Jesus Christ as Lord of their colonies. In time, and under British but also French Enlightenment influence, the Enlightenment rebellion against the Lord led some of the landed aristocrats in America who were leaders in the secret societies of the Freemasons and Jesuits and are referred to as the U.S. Founders to successfully carry out a bloodless rebellion against the colonial basis for government, replacing J.C. with what Israel replaced Yahweh with while Moses was on Mt. Sinai: "We the people" are the god of the Enlightenment. Colonial America had Christian govt that was overthrown by the Rebellion of 1789 and replaced by an Enlightenment-based govt. The consequences in time are now becoming obvious. The United States, as a government, was (to misquote Isaiah) born in iniquity and in sin did its Founders conceive it. We have now reached the steep knee of the curve of consequences.

In contrast, the countries of Panama and Belize, as counter-examples, state clearly in their constitutions that God is supreme over their governments. One can argue about how consistently this is applied at times, but the foundation is there. In the country of Belize, Cabinet (Ministry) meetings are begun with a prayer to Jesus as Lord, offered by one of the attendees, not a govt clergyman, and not pre-planned but from the heart. In Belize, the J-word is not forbidden from public discourse as in the USA through tacit cultural hostility; "Jesus is Lord of San Ignacio" is a sign posted at the boundary of the Cayo District seat. Can you imagine a prominent sign in the USA declaring "Jesus is Lord of Chicago"?

This prayer marathon of the U.S. Leaders attempts to reach a God who is increasingly distant from Washington, yet the Leaders suppose that by having a bigger and better event that they can somehow curry his favor. It is Malachi-era religion, and Yahweh's response then applies equally now: don't give me more facile religiosity; change your outlook and behavior on how you maintain the status quo of those in power, the rich who influence you with donations.

The Underdog of Washington, Jesus Christ, has said this in response to a 1960s American audience through Saturday morning cartoons:

In this world the headlines read
Of those whose hearts are filled with greed
And rob or plunder those in need
To right this wrong at lightning speed
Goes Underdog (Underdog) ...

Except that "lightning speed" for God can be centuries on our time-scale.

One more time. The United States of America is not rooted in Christian origins.
I really tried to salvage something out of the response to respond to.
The question to me is what gave birth to the US, it's origins. It was not Christianity.
They were not Dominionists.
They came to the Americas and established a rule that was the complete opposite of the Biblical Monarch (Christian) rule they were running from.

essentialsaltes · May 18, 2026

DennisF said:
anded aristocrats in America who were leaders in the secret societies of the Freemasons and Jesuits and are referred to as the U.S. Founders to successfully carry out a bloodless rebellion against the colonial basis for government

The American Revolution was not bloodless.

DennisF said:
"We the people" are the god of the Enlightenment. Colonial America had Christian govt that was overthrown by the Rebellion of 1789 and replaced by an Enlightenment-based govt.

Yay! That's the US of A!

DennisF said:
that by having a bigger and better event that they can somehow curry his favor. It is Malachi-era religion, and Yahweh's response then applies equally now: don't give me more facile religiosity;

I do appreciate and agree with your take on this facile religiosity.

Desk trauma · May 18, 2026

DennisF said:
Can you imagine a prominent sign in the USA declaring "Jesus is Lord of Chicago"?

Yes.

Hans Blaster · May 18, 2026

DennisF said:
The original 13 New England colonies in America had founding documents that explicitly established Jesus Christ as Lord of their colonies.

Plymouth colony, Massachusetts Bay colony, Rhode Island & Providence Plantations, Connecticutt I only have 5 New England Colonies. Are you counting Maine and Halifax? Still not getting to 13 or even close.

But that is on the founding of the *colonies* not of the USA.

DennisF said:
In time, and under British but also French Enlightenment influence, the Enlightenment rebellion against the Lord led some of the landed aristocrats in America who were leaders in the secret societies of the Freemasons and Jesuits and are referred to as the U.S. Founders to successfully carry out a bloodless rebellion against the colonial basis for government, replacing J.C. with what Israel replaced Yahweh with while Moses was on Mt. Sinai: "We the people" are the god of the Enlightenment. Colonial America had Christian govt that was overthrown by the Rebellion of 1789 and replaced by an Enlightenment-based govt.

You should consider using periods to break up your thoughts.

1. There was no "Rebellion of 1789". The US Constitution was created in 1787 and ratified in 1788 and it was not a "Rebellion".
2. The USA was not "Colonial America" in 1787. The independence of the USA was *recognized* by Great Britain in 1783 with the Treaty of Paris.
3. The rebellion against colonial rule was far from bloodless and was a full-scale war starting in 1775 that effectively ended with British surrender in 1781.
4. "J.C." was not running the colonial governments of 1775. The pre-rebellion governments were already fairly democratic and in many colonies suppressed by more direct British control.
5. "We the people" replaces royal sovereignty with the sovereignty of the people. It has nothing to do with religion. It does not make "We the people" into some sort of god.
6. Jesuits? In a land where the "Catholic colony" (Maryland) wasn't even controlled by Catholics? As for the masonic conspiracy notions -- SMH. This is bad history straight out of the anti-Catholic, anti-Masonic, nativist politics of the 1830s and 1840s.

DennisF said:
The consequences in time are now becoming obvious. The United States, as a government, was (to misquote Isaiah) born in iniquity and in sin did its Founders conceive it. We have now reached the steep knee of the curve of consequences.

Misquoting Isaiah is an old tradition going back to at least Matthew. Think of yourself as being in good company.

DennisF said:
In contrast, the countries of Panama and Belize, as counter-examples, state clearly in their constitutions that God is supreme over their governments. One can argue about how consistently this is applied at times, but the foundation is there. In the country of Belize, Cabinet (Ministry) meetings are begun with a prayer to Jesus as Lord, offered by one of the attendees, not a govt clergyman, and not pre-planned but from the heart. In Belize, the J-word is not forbidden from public discourse as in the USA through tacit cultural hostility; "Jesus is Lord of San Ignacio" is a sign posted at the boundary of the Cayo District seat.

You're putting up Panama as a government ideal?

DennisF said:
Can you imagine a prominent sign in the USA declaring "Jesus is Lord of Chicago"?

No, and that is a good thing.

DennisF said:
This prayer marathon of the U.S. Leaders attempts to reach a God who is increasingly distant from Washington, yet the Leaders suppose that by having a bigger and better event that they can somehow curry his favor.

Perhaps I don't understand this modern Christian theology. I was under the impression that God was either (a) everywhere or (b) up in heaven.

DennisF said:
It is Malachi-era religion, and Yahweh's response then applies equally now: don't give me more facile religiosity; change your outlook and behavior on how you maintain the status quo of those in power, the rich who influence you with donations.

Sounds like you don't think well of the church 'leaders' organizing and promoting this event.

DennisF said:
The Underdog of Washington, Jesus Christ, has said this in response to a 1960s American audience through Saturday morning cartoons:

In this world the headlines read
Of those whose hearts are filled with greed
And rob or plunder those in need
To right this wrong at lightning speed
Goes Underdog (Underdog) ...

Except that "lightning speed" for God can be centuries on our time-scale.

Is this some sort of preterism or did I miss the return of Jesus in the mid-20th century.

essentialsaltes · May 18, 2026

AP photo

Micki Larson-Olson, who was convicted on a misdemeanor charge for her actions on January 6, 2021, when supporters of President Donald Trump stormed the U.S. Capitol, touches a ████ patch on her outfit, during Rededicate 250, a mostly conservative Christian prayer gathering in honor of the United States’ 250th anniversary, on the National Mall, Sunday, May 17, 2026, in Washington. (AP Photo/Julia Demaree Nikhinson)

durangodawood · May 18, 2026

essentialsaltes said:
.....touches a ████ patch on her outfit, during Rededicate 250, a mostly conservative Christian prayer gathering.......

Dont miss the Q fingernail.

Fantine · May 18, 2026

I heard that Trump sent a one-month old video in which he read a Bible passage to another group. Hegseth also sent a video.
Perhaps planning to blow Iran's 90 million children of God off the planet took precedence? I know he repeated the threat live yesterday.
I listened to Roumie's speech and was glad it was fairly apolitical.
I hope there might have been a smidgen of discussing the many priorities--all involving human lives--that are not only neglected by the government but also the preachers in attendance.
And I probably avoided news about it because I can't face the inevitable disappointment.

GoldenBoy89 · May 18, 2026

Tuur said:
Waiting for the claim there were no Christians involved in the Enlightenment.

What was it they were ‘enlightened’ about (or from)?

GoldenBoy89 · May 18, 2026

RileyG said:
Interesting considering many founding Fathers were deists.

Right and they had the opportunity to create any government they wanted. They chose to create a secular government.

GoldenBoy89 · May 18, 2026

Landon Caeli said:
Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, nearly all (about 51) were affiliated with Protestant churches - predominantly Anglican/Episcopalian, alongside Presbyterians and Congregationalists.

Only very few (like Franklin) were deists.

And yet they created an expressly secular form of government.

RileyG · May 18, 2026

GoldenBoy89 said:
Right and they had the opportunity to create any government they wanted. They chose to create a secular government.

Yup.

Freedom of religion. Freedom from religion.

The citizens in a secular government can make their choice.

Simple, really.

DaisyDay · May 18, 2026

Fantine said:
I heard that Trump sent a one-month old video in which he read a Bible passage to another group. Hegseth also sent a video.
Perhaps planning to blow Iran's 90 million children of God off the planet took precedence? I know he repeated the threat live yesterday.
I listened to Roumie's speech and was glad it was fairly apolitical.
I hope there might have been a smidgen of discussing the many priorities--all involving human lives--that are not only neglected by the government but also the preachers in attendance.
And I probably avoided news about it because I can't face the inevitable disappointment.

One would think the President would have practiced the hard words before making the video or would have edited it to look like he knew the passage. Alas.

A2SG · May 19, 2026

DennisF said:
The Underdog of Washington, Jesus Christ, has said this in response to a 1960s American audience through Saturday morning cartoons:

In this world the headlines read
Of those whose hearts are filled with greed
And rob or plunder those in need
To right this wrong at lightning speed
Goes Underdog (Underdog) ...

Actually, that was written by Chester Stover, W. Watts Biggers, Treadwell Covington, and Joseph Harris, and sung by Robert Ragaini.

Underdog (TV series) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

-- A2SG, arranged and produced by Robert Weitz, of course.....

wing2000 · May 20, 2026

"Speaker of the House Mike Johnson told God he was worried about a sinister ideology running loose in the land.

That was Sunday, on the National Mall, at a nine-hour prayer rally called “Rededicate 250.” Johnson had been given what he called the “humble assignment” of bringing the crowd “straight to the Lord.” He prayed for courage and patriotism. He prayed for the republic. And then he asked God to protect America from people who insist that the American story “can only be understood through the lens of our sins.”

Wait, what?

The Sins We're Not Supposed to Mention

Mike Johnson’s prayer and the theology of national denial

derekpenwell.substack.com

iluvatar5150 · May 20, 2026

wing2000 said:
"Speaker of the House Mike Johnson told God he was worried about a sinister ideology running loose in the land.

That was Sunday, on the National Mall, at a nine-hour prayer rally called “Rededicate 250.” Johnson had been given what he called the “humble assignment” of bringing the crowd “straight to the Lord.” He prayed for courage and patriotism. He prayed for the republic. And then he asked God to protect America from people who insist that the American story “can only be understood through the lens of our sins.”

Wait, what?

The Sins We're Not Supposed to Mention

Mike Johnson’s prayer and the theology of national denial

derekpenwell.substack.com

Cognitive dissonance goes away if you just ignore the contradictions.

essentialsaltes · May 20, 2026

wing2000 said:
he asked God to protect America from people who insist that the American story “can only be understood through the lens of our sins.”

I thought Christians love a good "I was a sinner, but then I reformed" story!

wing2000 · May 20, 2026

essentialsaltes said:
I thought Christians love a good "I was a sinner, but then I reformed" story!

Exactly. As the author notes:

Evangelicalism turns on the conviction that we’re broken people, in need of saving, and that repentance isn’t optional but standard equipment. The entire machinery of salvation, in that framework, depends on an honest reckoning with what we’ve done wrong. And not just so we’ll feel sufficiently guilty about committing transgressions, but because we can’t know where we are right now or where we’re headed if we can’t speak honestly about where we’ve been.

So when Johnson asks God to protect us from people who want to understand our story through the lens of our nation’s sins, he’s making an American exceptionalist argument under the guise of Christian piety.

essentialsaltes · May 20, 2026

wing2000 said:
repentance isn’t optional but standard equipment.

Some exceptions may apply...

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