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Is the war on ‘conversion therapy’ over?

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Recently, a landmark ruling on the constitutionality of so-called “conversion therapy” bans was handed down, sending shock waves throughout the country’s mental health community.

With the help of religious-liberty law firm Alliance Defending Freedom, Colorado licensed counselor Kaley Chiles filed suit in federal court over a 2019 state law prohibiting licensed therapists from assisting clients under the age of eighteen from seeking voluntary counseling to change or reduce unwanted same-sex attractions or gender identity conflicts. After losing in the District and Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals, the Supreme Court took up her case last October.

The primary question the high court needed to decide was whether counseling should be considered medical conduct subject to professional regulation or speech protected by the First Amendment. Colorado’s statute allows a counselor to facilitate acceptance and support for a minor’s lesbian, gay, bisexual, or trans (LGBT) identity exploration and development, but makes illegal the view that same-sex attractions or gender identity expressions are fluid and subject to change, claiming that such therapeutic efforts are ineffective, harmful, and fall outside of the so-called medical consensus.

Justice Neil Gorsuch — joined by seven of the eight other justices — addressed this in his majority opinion: Colorado’s law regulates the content of her speech and goes further to prescribe what views she may and may not express. Her speech does not become “conduct” just because a government says so or because it may be described as a “treatment” or “therapeutic modality.” The First Amendment is no word game, and “the exercise of constitutional rights” cannot be circumscribed by mere labels.”

Even two of the Court’s liberal justices, Sotomayor and Kagan, joined the 8-1 majority opinion, criticizing the lone dissent, Justice Ketanji Jackson, for “reimagining” settled First Amendment law in what Justice Kagan described as a “textbook” viewpoint discrimination case. Jackson opined: “Conversion-therapy efforts have historically included aversive therapeutic modalities,” including “inducing nausea, vomiting, or paralysis in patients or subjecting them to severe electric shocks,” although they have “fallen out of fashion” in favor of talk therapy.

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The "war on conversion therapy" isn't going to be "over" as long as statements like this continue to be the position of the AMA and similar organizations: https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/conversion-therapy-issue-brief.pdf

As I understand the court's decision, the issue is that talk-only therapy is speech, and speech is strongly protected in the US. Thus, there are limits on what the government can restrict. Pick your therapist very carefully, perhaps?
 
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I don't know about a "war," but as a member of the therapy community I will say the vast majority of qualified professional therapists and therapy organizations continue to believe conversion therapy to (a) not work and (b) to be abusive in many cases -- regardless of what SCOTUS says or doesn't say.
 
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The "war on conversion therapy" isn't going to be "over" as long as statements like this continue to be the position of the AMA and similar organizations: https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/conversion-therapy-issue-brief.pdf

As I understand the court's decision, the issue is that talk-only therapy is speech, and speech is strongly protected in the US. Thus, there are limits on what the government can restrict. Pick your therapist very carefully, perhaps?
From the same link you provided, the following:

Evidence does not support the purported “efficacy” of SOCE in changing sexual orientation.9 To the contrary, these
practices may cause significant psychological distress.10 One study showed that 77% of SOCE participants reported
significant long-term harm, including the following symptoms:

• Depression
• Anxiety
• Lowered self-esteem
• Internalized homophobia
• Self-blame
• Intrusive imagery
• Sexual dysfunction

Participants also reported significant social and interpersonal harm, such as alienation, loneliness, social isolation,
interference with intimate relationships and loss of social supports.

SOCE may also increase suicidal behaviors in a population where suicide is prevalent...

My comment: Whether 77% is accurate or not, I can only suggest that nearly 100% of those without treatment suffer from these same symptoms.
 
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I think if a person believes therapy can change someone's homosexual ways, they have to also believe that therapy can change their heterosexual ways. It just doesn't work like that. Therapists are not magicians.
 
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I think if a person believes therapy can change someone's homosexual ways, they have to also believe that therapy can change their heterosexual ways. It just doesn't work like that. Therapists are not magicians.
Except there is the well documented incidents in prisons and once in the world’s navies, hence Churchill’s vulgar comment on the traditions of the Royal Navy. The interesting question is how many were “that way” before the went in and remained “that way” after they got out.

This gets into a topic that is, shall we say, discouraged to look at in depth. So it was that when research around the 1990s found that brain structure in mice could change, it was carefully couched in terms that did not conflict with the by-then prevailing notion that such things were “baked-in.” At least one science magazine picked up on that and obliquely mentioned the unmentionable. That was the last I heard of the study, even though the implications go far beyond this topic and perhaps offers hope to those who suffer things like chronic depression.

Taking the feared family tendency toward alcoholism, a grandfather believed it could be genetic and gave warning to us grandkids, but he also went from drunkard to a person who never drank. So what changed?
 
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I think if a person believes therapy can change someone's homosexual ways, they have to also believe that therapy can change their heterosexual ways. It just doesn't work like that. Therapists are not magicians.
No one can be forced into being attracted to someone they aren’t attracted to. No amount of therapy can really change that, IMO.
 
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I don't know about a "war," but as a member of the therapy community I will say the vast majority of qualified professional therapists and therapy organizations continue to believe conversion therapy to (a) not work and (b) to be abusive in many cases -- regardless of what SCOTUS says or doesn't say.
Yup. Not to mention the torture many gay and lesbians went through throughout the years. Yes, some were literally tortured in attempts to change their sexual orientation. It didn’t work.
 
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"regardless of what SCOTUS says or doesn't say". How about what the Holy Bible says? This being a Christian Forum, we should be supportive of those struggling with this particular sin and who want to obey the Word of God. A different story for those who are adamant they don't want to change their sexual orientation, no matter what the Word reveals.

In past years, those attempts to force a conversion by literal or figurative torture were certainly not in line with God's Word, or even with normal secular compassion for the plight of those who seriously wanted to change. Rather than legally forcing an end to any and all conversion therapy, if that is the case, I would think there is a need for these services, as there would be for anyone who has a desire to change some emotional or mental crisis of confidence or thought.
Today, our society is dealing with even greater abusive excesses, particularly in regard to physical transformations of children who lack understanding and a will that may be, no, is counter to their best interests. For parents and societal norms changing as secular reasoning and even laws that encourage such short-sighted visions that it's not in the best interest of the child, short-term or long-term, or perhaps more likely it's the parent(s) or legal guardians who want what is so ungodly and outright wrong that it is beyond the pale.

If I'm rambling on, please excuse me. I just find this secularization of nearly every facet of our lives to be so damaging that it seems those who call themselves Christians, yet show little or no evidence, are staying silent on the matter, and even accepting that I'm at a place of, "Come Jesus, Come."
 
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