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Task Force Publishes Report on Eradicating Anti-Christian Bias and Restoring Religious Liberty

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Because persecution is worse in other countries in no way excuses the United States imprisoning people for praying or threatening jail time on religious communities because they don't comply with the politics of an administration, whether it be about abortion or trans causes. It's a fallacious and dangerous argument, an attempt to deflect from the important subject at hand. Let's get back on topic. For those who still don't understand the affirmative harm by the Biden administration that is spoken of in the report, compare the judicial sentences (or lack thereof) for Christians against secular individuals and organizations for the same violation of a regulation.
 
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Because persecution is worse in other countries in no way excuses the United States imprisoning people for praying or threatening jail time on religious communities because they don't comply with the politics of an administration, whether it be about abortion or trans causes.
This is a disingenuous and dishonest framing of events.
For those who still don't understand the affirmative harm by the Biden administration that is spoken of in the report, compare the judicial sentences (or lack thereof) for Christians against secular individuals and organizations for the same violation of a regulation.
Notably, the report is extremely light (read: completely silent) on the details of the cases they're comparing. If you look them up, the cases against anti-abortion activists in which longer sentences were assigned (US v. Handy and US v. Williams) involve physical violence against clinic employees and/or patients while the cases against pro-abortion activists all involve graffiti and/or vandalism. Those are not "the same" violation of a regulation. If you remove Handy and Williams from the chart, the averages look very similar.
 
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No, that God created two sexes, male and female, is well accepted among Christians. Putting biological men in a girls' locker room is an attack on Christianity.
I guess your god didn't make me. I have XX male syndrome which makes me physically male (mostly) and genetically female.
 
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Yes. The sexual abuse scandal was mostly a homosexual problem. That’s a fact. Girls were abused too, but a majority were teen boys and young men.
Ohhhhhh okay. So they weren't abused, they were all just gay.
 
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This “God” Fella understands that His considered opinions don’t get much sway under our Constitution, right?
It's not this "God" Fella, but his followers that are confused about the Constitution.
 
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Ohhhhhh okay. So they weren't abused, they were all just gay.
No. I did not say that. The sexual abuse was primarily by homosexual priests.

Good grief
 
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No, that God created two sexes, male and female, is well accepted among Christians. Putting biological men in a girls' locker room is an attack on Christianity.
Christians don't get special rights to discriminate.
 
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This “God” Fella understands that His considered opinions don’t get much sway under our Constitution, right?
Our founding document states that our rights com from God. The U.S. Constitution is the framework for that statement.
 
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Our founding document states that our rights com from God. The U.S. Constitution is the framework for that statement.
The constitution makes no mention of the rights it protects coming from a deity.
 
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The constitution makes no mention of the rights it protects coming from a deity.
Nor various others laws. Our nation was found in 1776 with the acceptance of the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution did not come along until eleven or so years later. The Declaration recognizes God as our Creator and our Judge.
 
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Dude, Bill Donohue tried to dismiss the widespread sexual abuse by priests. This included blaming the victims, saying they weren't abused because they were 16, said the church had a homosexual problem not a pedophile problem... as if the victims must have been gay. On top of that, many girls and kids far younger then 16 were abused as well, which he largely ignores.

But hey, I guess he's blunt speaks his mind, so it's still a net win?
So I tried to look into this. Here are the claims you made:

"Including the victims, saying they weren't abused because they were 16"

I was unable to find verification of this; can you point to where he said this?

"the church had a homosexual problem not a pedophile problem... as if the victims must have been gay."

This one is close to something he said... though I don't understand the "as if the victims must have been gay." His assertion, as argued in this article, is that the perpetrators mostly were, citing the fact the the John Jay Report said that victims were overwhelmingly male (81%). I don't know how you get to the idea that the victims must have been gay.

In regards to the "homosexual problem not a pedophile problems" that comes from the numbers. As noted, the victims were overwhelmingly male. But only a minority were prepubescent. Now, he appears to make an error when he says that "78% were post-pubescent" but what the John Jay Report more specifically says is: ""It is worth noting that while the media has consistently referred to priest-abusers as “pedophile priests,” pedophilia is defined as the sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Yet, the data on priests show that 22 percent of victims were age ten and under, while the majority of victims were pubescent or postpubescent." That is, 78% are above 10, and an unspecified "majority" are pubescent or postpubescent. It's not quite clear to me if they are dividing up prepubescent/pubescent/postpubescent by years and if so by what years. Regardless of the exact percentages, we know that prepubescent children were a minority, compared to the clear majority of males (while "pedophilia" in popular parlance, particularly nowadays, is often used to refer to attraction to older people like teenagers, that is not the technical meaning of the term).

That's the point he's making, and while I think it's to some extent overstated, he is ultimately correct that the victims were overwhelmingly male and were minority prepubescent. I don't see how someone gets "as if the victims must have been gay" from his argument.

"On top of that, many girls and kids far younger then 16 were abused as well, which he largely ignores."

I don't see him as ignoring it; his point is those are in the minority (certainly a clear minority for girls) compared to the majority boys and older children.
 
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Harder than I think you realize, because the arguments presented would be based on a culture that already regards dueling as wrong. It was seen as wrong even when it was accepted by some as a proper means of handling disputes as it was interpreted as murder. So it was that the fight that made Jim Bowie famous happened on a sandbar that the participants hoped had hazy judicial boundaries.

Let's say we could talk to a 12th Century pagan law speaker from a Northern European country and ask him to justify the holmgang. He might well present a reasoned argument that the holmgang prevents endless reprisals. Ask him if there are much better ways to end disputes, and he might well say that what goes to the holmgang cannot be resolved any other way. Ask him isn't murder wrong, and he may well lecture, based on the law, which he has memorized and recites at the start of the althing that the holmgang isn't murder. Protest that it's one person killing another and he might well sneer that this is a Christian argument. In the end there would be no way to persuade him that there is no place for the holmgang.

That's the case with us today. We're so steeped in the cultures that we're a part of that what we consider right and wrong is mostly derived from it. Where a religion has long been a part of that culture, it's going to have influence on all that live in it, whether they practice the religion or not. Culture, like language, can shape our very way of thinking, all without us realizing it.
Yeah, reasonable points well stated. But if I may I'll go back to my earlier comment that I have no objection to anyone from any religion saying 'what is written here is a good idea'. Well, OK. But there better be good reasons for it to be considered a good idea other than 'it is written'.

When Moses came down from the mountain and said ' Hey, listen up. I've got some new rules for you' then he'd have everyone's attention. But did anyone think:

'What? Did be say it's wrong to steal? Oh gee, Frank. Does that mean I have to give your goat back to you?'
'Well, I guess so, Dave. And listen...he just said there's a rule now that I can't murder you for it.'

Nah. There'd be a lot of eye rolling going on. This was nothing new. People knew it was wrong already. We knew that when we came out of the trees and started social groups. And when Jesus explained the Golden Rule on the mount, he wasn't saying 'I've just thought of this great idea...' He was reminding people of the rule and telling them to think about it more often. It has been around for thousands of years and appears in literature all over the world.

And bear in mind that for a long time the only education as such that you'd get was from the church. The only literature available was the bible. Which seems to have led an awful lot of people, even now, to think that most aspects of morality originated with Christianity.

That's simply not true.
 
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That's an easy one. In the Soviet Union, they were politically oriented and called purges. In China, it was the Cultural Revolution, motivated by a secular ideology.
Well, I think the jury is in. Bad things happen with and without religion.
 
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I don't see him as ignoring it; his point is those are in the minority (certainly a clear minority for girls) compared to the majority boys and older children.
I made a mistake in what I posted. It was in error. I have deleted it.
 
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Coincidentally, the two DOJ prosecutors just so happen to be on Donald's hit list because they both worked for Jack Smith.

From pre-Bari Weiss Oct 22, 2025: Ousted Justice Dept. attorneys who prosecuted Trump open new law firm targeting corruption

Two years ago, longtime federal corruption prosecutor Molly Gaston signed her name to a court filing unlike any before it.

That day, in October 2023, Gaston filed a 32-page motion asking a federal judge to continue limiting public statements of then-former President Trump, who was accused of witness intimidation ahead of a trial in his criminal case for seeking to overturn the 2020 election.

Gaston, who was a lead prosecutor for the trial, knew the case was unprecedented and high-stakes. She did not know how much would change in two years.

She was a member of special counsel Jack Smith's team, which investigated a pair of criminal cases involving Mr. Trump, including one for election subversion. Gaston and fellow prosecutor J.P. Cooney were part of a prosecutorial unit that submitted hundreds of pages of court filings. Throughout 2023 and 2024, they stood before judges and courtrooms packed with news media for historic proceedings that were immediately recognized as landmark legal moments.

Smith's two cases against Mr. Trump were dropped when he won reelection in 2024, because under Justice Department policy, sitting presidents are not prosecuted.

Gaston and Cooney, among the most accomplished corruption prosecutors in the Justice Department, would lose their jobs once Mr. Trump took office in January.
There might be a bit of a smear campaign going on until the current DOJ can find something to pin on them as it has been desperately trying and hilariously failing to prosecute the prosecutors.
 
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This is a disingenuous and dishonest framing of events.

Notably, the report is extremely light (read: completely silent) on the details of the cases they're comparing. If you look them up, the cases against anti-abortion activists in which longer sentences were assigned (US v. Handy and US v. Williams) involve physical violence against clinic employees and/or patients while the cases against pro-abortion activists all involve graffiti and/or vandalism. Those are not "the same" violation of a regulation. If you remove Handy and Williams from the chart, the averages look very similar.
So in this Handy case you cite, tell us about the violence against employees and patients. How man employees and patients were injured?
 
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