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Donald Trump’s Approval Rating Rises With Catholics After Bashing Pope Leo
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I think you just call "your" pope the pope and the other one the antipope.
Apparently there are already a couple "alternative popes" in existence today.
Antipope - Wikipedia
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Catholics vary in their religious and theological seriousness a great deal. Some identify as Catholics mostly for cultural reasons.
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Even for those who are not Catholic, we can trust that the Pope will give a well thought out and reasonable articulation of every issue he speaks to. We may not agree but at least we have something more than populist rhetoric.
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Realize popes are human and popes make mistakes. Unfortunately this pope made a public statement without first speaking privately with President Trump on the matter, right in the middle of crucial negotiations with the world's foremost spreader of terrorism. Pope John Paul II is a saint, and he made mistakes by trusting some of the wrong people. Pope Leo may end up being a saint as well. That does not mean he is perfect.
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He's also extremely intelligent and well educated.
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Just like Trump
Just like Trump
I don't see why the pope should consult with Trump before speaking his mind. I haven't done it anyway, and I doubt any of the forum members here have done so. Have you?
I doubt Donald Trump would qualify as a saint. But making mistakes by trusting the wrong people applies to Trump also.
I (again) doubt Donald Trump will end up as a saint. But being imperfect applies to Donald Trump to a stronger degree than to the (current) pope.
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There's no political directive coming from the Bishop of Rome, that I'm aware of.
The pope says to treat the migrants respectfully, and we do. Those who enter illegally, and then break our laws, get rightfully removed. That's understandable.
There's no conflict for Catholics. All hunky-dory.
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My point was simply that In the middle of tense negotiations with the lives of many people at risk it would have been prudent for the pope, if he was considering speaking out publicly about the United States, to first open a private dialogue with President Trump. Trump obviously had access to much more intelligence information on Iran than did the pope.
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It might be better that Trump doesn't post idiotic "Truths" on his social media in the midst of the same negotiations like threatening the destruction of an entire civilization, his "no mister nice guy post. it might help those negotiations if Trump didn't flipflop on the opening and closing of the Strait of Hormuz etc.
It might have helped if Trump hadn't abolished the JCPOA of 2015.
Hes is very good at posing as the though guy, far from all action and danger. But when his country called him he got five deferrements.
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My understanding is that the intelligence capabilities of the Vatican are pretty amazing; (though the Holy See’s satellite technology is lacking, ironically enough.)
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Forgive ma for not keeping up on the latest pontiff…(a real senior moment for me, I’m so chagrinned!), yes, we had been talking about Pope Leo (XIV?), and your fidelity to our President over your pontiff, on this topic.
Have a super evening.
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We had not been talking about fidelity, you made that up. I've put my position on Iran out there, a very logical position of waiting out the two weeks or so until Iran is forced to shut down major oil production. As I've said, it may take months or even years to restart the pumps. It is possible a shut down could cause structural damage which could be a major problem. If Iran is willing to make such a sacrifice without capitulating to U.S. requests I would begin bombing targets. President Trump is somewhat unpredictable and remains silent as to specific tactics, that seems the logical approach to me and I hope he chooses a path close to my recommendations. As to the pope, his comments were a "cringe" moment for me, just as were Joe' Biden's comments about a minor incursion. In both cases within seconds I thought about how such comments could end up losing lives. Showing weakness to evil regimes can have dire consequences. I do think Pope Leo subsequently did the right thing by extending the olive branch (he actually gave a gift of olive wood to Rubio) to the United States. Private dialogue is a much better choice.
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I think it was both calculated and a good idea for the pope to call out Trump, anytime he's behaviour poorly.
That lack of national self awareness when it comes to some Americans is truly staggering.
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Trump’s approval rating rises with Catholics after bashing Pope Leo
The president escalated the feud publicly by launching direct personal attacks on the pontiff, saying he "should get his act together."www.newsweek.com
Perhaps there's some division within the Catholic ranks about which direction(s) the Church leadership has been going in?
I'll have to defer to the Catholics on the forums to weigh-in on what they think could be an explanation. While I have some family members who are Catholics, I'm by no means "in the know" about the internal discussions within their ranks.
Some of the aforementioned Catholics in my family have tossed around jabs like "Lib pope" to refer to a few of the recent ones, and have hinted that more conservative parishes are still doing their own thing and adding Popes' opinions to the "pay no mind" list. But like I said, I'm not in the group, so I don't get invited to the meetings.
Poll shows most Americans unhappy with Trump's Jesus image, criticism of Pope Leo
A new Washington Post-ABC New-Ipsos survey also shows President Donald Trump's approval rating going down with U.S. Catholics.
www.ncronline.org
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