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Trump Fired The Entire National Science Board. Here's Why That Matters

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I didn’t say he didn’t win. He was elected by the slimmest of pluralities.
That doesn't change anything. Trump is your president. You can't have a fraction of the presidency.
The Bush-Gore election was decided by a few hundreds votes in Florida that decided the state of Florida, which flipped the entire Electoral College.
Was Bush only a partial president? Of course not.
 
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I didn’t say he didn’t win. He was elected by the slimmest of pluralities. I’m saying he doesn’t have a mandate. A mandate would be something the majority is demanding the president do. This president and the things he sets out to do have been consistently unpopular with a majority of the country, his entire presidency.
So what. The American people voted him in.
 
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With 35 to 40% of the American people believing that humans and dinosaurs coexisted, I wouldn't trust the American people to make wise decisions in matters of science.
from google AI
"Young Earth Creationism (YEC) remains a significant, though slowly declining, cultural and religious movement in the United States, with roughly 37% to 40% of American adults believing that God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years, according to 2019-2024 polling data. "
We cannot trust acedemic experts either. The american people are best.
 
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That doesn't change anything. Trump is your president.
Right. I don’t disagree, unlike those dummies that insist the election was rigged against him, I believe trump won and is a legitimate president. I don’t believe his slim margin win gives him any sort of “mandate” to take the country in whatever direction he personally chooses.
 
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So there is no “mandate.”
The American people voted him in.
Some of them did. Most voted against him. We see that by how unpopular he is. The idea that because he won he can now shape the country any way he pleases just doesn’t hold up for me.
 
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That doesn't change anything. Trump is your president. You can't have a fraction of the presidency.
The Bush-Gore election was decided by a few hundreds votes in Florida that decided the state of Florida, which flipped the entire Electoral College.
Was Bush only a partial president? Of course not.
AI Overview (Google search "mandate (politics)"



A political mandate is the authority granted by an electorate to a winning candidate or party, signaling popular support to implement their proposed platform.

Types of Mandate Claims

  • Electoral/Popular Mandate: Based on a large win (landslide), arguing broad consensus.


Because of the closeness of the election, neither W nor Trump have a mandate in this sense.
 

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AI Overview (Google search "mandate (politics)"



A political mandate is the authority granted by an electorate to a winning candidate or party, signaling popular support to implement their proposed platform.

Types of Mandate Claims

  • Electoral/Popular Mandate: Based on a large win (landslide), arguing broad consensus.


Because of the closeness of the election, neither W nor Trump have a mandate in this sense.
@essentialsaltes and @GoldenBoy89
I disagree. Or rather, that is not how I would organize a country if I were a lawmaker.
What would be a good thing is to guarantee ways in which the electorate can influence the policies between elections, like triggering a referendum or via recall elections including at the presidential level.
 
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That doesn't change anything. Trump is your president. You can't have a fraction of the presidency.
The Bush-Gore election was decided by a few hundreds votes in Florida that decided the state of Florida, which flipped the entire Electoral College.
Was Bush only a partial president? Of course not.
The Bush/Gore election was decided by the Supreme Court which stopped the recount prematurely.

The question at hand is not whether Donald was elected in 2024 - he was - but whether the slimmest of pluralities indicates "a clear mandate" on any and all of Donald's whims.
 
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@essentialsaltes and @GoldenBoy89
I disagree. Or rather, that is not how I would organize a country if I were a lawmaker.
What would be a good thing is to guarantee ways in which the electorate can influence the policies between elections, like triggering a referendum or via recall elections including at the presidential level.
We used to have this thing called Congress that was set up as the voice of We the People and they would pass bills in conjunction and coordination with the executive to make laws that properly reflect the will of the American People and not the whims of one man, but somewhere along the way some people decided they wanted to scrap that system and vest all this power into one single, deeply unpopular person who seems to act entirely self interested and only ever tries to appeal to his shrinking minority of supporters.

That worked fine for about 200 years.
 
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The most "bloated" expenditures in the Trump Administration are the unnecessary ballroom,
Reality disagrees as the ballroom is 100% privately funded.
the deployments of the National Guard to cities who don't like him (that's about every city in the country),
Reality disagrees - the only people who do not want the National Guard's help are those who support criminal behavior and have no care that innocent lives are lost. They have to ignore the millions of dollars in damages the guard is preventing. - it is the constitutional obligation of the federal government to ensure domestic tranquility. When local leadership refuses to maintain public safety, the federal government has both the authority and the responsibility to act. Calling this "ill-advised" is an insult to the communities whose residents actually want law and order restored.
ill-advised money for Israel's horrific,
Reality disagrees, support for Israel represents a decades-long, bipartisan commitment to America's most reliable democratic ally in a strategically vital region. Framing Israeli self-defense against terrorist organizations as "human rights violations" adopts the language of bad-faith actors who hold Israel to standards applied to no other nation. American investment in Israel's security is American investment in regional stability.
unconscionable violations of human rights, and an unnecessary war in Iran, creating instability and affecting American pocketbooks and America's previous good reputation.
Reality disagrees,
characterizing any military posture toward Iran as an "unnecessary war" ignores that Iran has spent decades funding terrorism, threatening American personnel, and pursuing nuclear weapons. A strong deterrent posture protects American lives and credibility.

The Left's definition of "wasteful spending" consistently means any expenditure that advances security, sovereignty, or America's strategic interests — while conveniently ignoring trillions lost to entitlement expansion and Green New Deal giveaways.

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In this case it was around 40% because it was faster than a Google search.
 
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AI Overview (Google search "mandate (politics)"



A political mandate is the authority granted by an electorate to a winning candidate or party, signaling popular support to implement their proposed platform.

Types of Mandate Claims

  • Electoral/Popular Mandate: Based on a large win (landslide), arguing broad consensus.


Because of the closeness of the election, neither W nor Trump have a mandate in this sense.
Would you consider a 75% majority on an issue a mandate?
 
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We cannot trust acedemic experts either. The american people are best.
The people have legal soveriengty, but that does not make them correct. The notions of "young earth creationists" are objectively false and the partial popularity is irrelevant. The war on expertise is part of the war on facts, just like this war on science is part of it.
 
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We cannot trust acedemic experts either. The american people are best.
The next time you need surgery, make sure to let it be done by someone who is not an expert.
Or would you prefer someone who has been medically trained? No, you aren't an hypocrite, anyone from the American people can do. They are the best, after all.
 
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The next time you need surgery, make sure to let it be done by someone who is not an expert.
Or would you prefer someone who has been medically trained?
I am not looking for someone trained in doing surgery. Often in medical history many proceedures , as well as medicines were harmful.
No, you aren't an hypocrite, anyone from the American people can do. They are the best, after all.
We the people will keep our government.
 
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I am not looking for someone trained in doing surgery. Often in medical history many proceedures , as well as medicines were harmful.

We the people will keep our government.
Currently not. And of course I wish you to stay free of any medical issue.
But any next time, would you chose a non-expert over an expert for a medical procedure?
Often in medical history many proceedures , as well as medicines were harmful.
And how often were they successful?
They improved since the Middle Ages. Did you know that?
We the people will keep our government.
Inevitably.
 
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Not if that implies to take away constitutional rights or an attack on Human Rights.
Well, this gets into uncomfortable territory because, at that level of support, you could see constitutional amendments to put just about anything through.
 
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