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BibleDaniel7 said:
Firstly, thank you to Douggg for engaging with my post and sharing your diagrams of how you see Revelation being fulfilled. I don't agree with you, but it challenged me to clearly put out my own timeline of events, to make it clear how they all fit in, with my interpretation.
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Think about this...

In Ezekiel 39:1-6 is the Gog/Magog attack event on Israel.

Then, afterwards, there are 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9. Those 7 years correspond to the 7 years in Daniel 9:27.

The events of the 7 seals in Revelation all take place during that forthcoming 7 years.

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Bible VersesEventYear (if known)Signs/Fulfilment
Revelation 6:1-2First Seal2001+US-led "War on Terror"
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In Revelation 6:2 is the rider on a white horse (representing a messiah figure) who in the text is given a crown. My view is that person is the Antichrist person, and the crown given is that of being anointed the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah.

Who do you think the rider on the white horse is, that will be given a crown ?
 
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Douggg said:
Think about this...

In Ezekiel 39:1-6 is the Gog/Magog attack event on Israel.

Then, afterwards, there are 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9. Those 7 years correspond to the 7 years in Daniel 9:27.

The events of the 7 seals in Revelation all take place during that forthcoming 7 years.



In Revelation 6:2 is the rider on a white horse (representing a messiah figure) who in the text is given a crown. My view is that person is the Antichrist person, and the crown given is that of being anointed the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah.

Who do you think the rider on the white horse is, that will be given a crown ?
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Hi Douggg

Revelation 20:8 suggests the Gog/Magog prophecy of Ezekiel 38-39 occurs after the Millenium, so 1000 years after Jesus' Return. I am not sure there is a link between that 7 year period and the 7 year period in Daniel 9:27 (except for them being 7 years, but there are a lot of 7s, you need more than this to show a link).

In any case, you make a big jump to then say that the 7 seals correspond to those 7 years in Daniel. I don't see any evidence for that. If there is a way to map them to Revelation, I would have thought they would more likely map to the seven trumpets, which at least are more likely to be 7 years if they relate to the annual Feast of Trumpets. There is nothing to say the Seals are one year apart - it looks to me like they are 6 years apart as per my earlier posts.

The white horse rider I have identified as Mystery Babylon = USA. The crown signifies the USA's status as the world's primary superpower (at the moment). The bow signifies the ranged weapons used by the US. I think it all fits rather neatly - also with the links to Zechariah 6 and Daniel 7 as per my website and previous posts. Once you realise Mystery Babylon rules over the kings of the Earth (UN HQ in New York), and also is the world's economic centre and largest importer (Revelation 17) and in addition, like Ancient Babylon, has the world's largest Jewish population outside Israel, and is famous for being the home of towers (Babel), then the link is plain.
 
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BibleDaniel7 said:
Revelation 20:8 suggests the Gog/Magog prophecy of Ezekiel 38-39 occurs after the Millenium, so 1000 years after Jesus' Return. I am not sure there is a link between that 7 year period and the 7 year period in Daniel 9:27 (except for them being 7 years, but there are a lot of 7s, you need more than this to show a link).
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Read the verses in Ezekiel 39:17-20, a feast on dead bodies. Then read Revelation 19:17-18. They are the same feast, to take place at Jesus's return.

In Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus Himself speaking in the text when he has returned to this earth.

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The Revelation 20:8 referral to Gog and Magog is indicating that after the 1000 year millennium reign of Jesus on this earth, the same nations that made of the Ezekiel 38-39 Gog/Magog group a thousand years earlier will take part in the last rebellion of the nations..
 
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BibleDaniel7 said:
In any case, you make a big jump to then say that the 7 seals correspond to those 7 years in Daniel. I don't see any evidence for that. If there is a way to map them to Revelation, I would have thought they would more likely map to the seven trumpets, which at least are more likely to be 7 years if they relate to the annual Feast of Trumpets. There is nothing to say the Seals are one year apart - it looks to me like they are 6 years apart as per my earlier posts.
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Each seal event does not cover one year (if that is the impression you are getting from my chart).

The 7 trumpet plagues will take place during the great tribulation. The great tribulation will start when the abomination of desolation is set up on the temple mount. Matthew 24:15-21. It will last the final 1335 days of the seven years.

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Douggg said:
Read the verses in Ezekiel 39:17-20, a feast on dead bodies. Then read Revelation 19:17-18. They are the same feast, to take place at Jesus's return.

In Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus Himself speaking in the text when he has returned to this earth.

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The Revelation 20:8 referral to Gog and Magog is indicating that after the 1000 year millennium reign of Jesus on this earth, the same nations that made of the Ezekiel 38-39 Gog/Magog group a thousand years earlier will take part in the last rebellion of the nations..
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Hi Douggg

You could be right that Ezekiel 39 and Revelation 19 are referring to the same thing, although no doubt there will be a lot of dead bodies after the Gog/Magog battle in Revelation 20 as well. However even if they are the same event, the 7 years you mention in Ezekiel 39:9 occur after the battle that occurs at Jesus' Return, whereas the 7 years you are talking about in Daniel occur before the battle at Jesus Return, so they are still different 7 year periods. And I don't see any link to the seals in any case, which is the key jump in your argument for which you have provided no evidence. Why do the seven seals have to take place over seven years in your timeline? And why not accept John's account, and use his order like I did in my table, instead of shuffling them all up?
 
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Why do the seven seals have to take place over seven years in your timeline?
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Seal 1, the rider on the white horse, the Antichrist, begins the 7 years. In Daniel 9:27, he will confirm the Mount Sinai covenant for the 7 years, the repetitive cycle that Moses required in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 (the 7 years are in that text).

The confirmation process will be a big speech from the temple mount. It will start the 7 years and a false messianic age (to last about 3 years).

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Okay, that is how Seal 1 starts off the 7 years.

At the end of the 7 years, Seal 6 event takes place. It corresponds to Matthew 24:29, the heavens shaken (the cosmos) and parted - and the sign of the Son of Man (Jesus) appearing in the revealed third heaven to all who dwell upon the earth, Matthew 24:30a.

Jesus's appearance, sickle in hand. will be the motivation for the kings of the earth to gather their armies at Armageddon (over a 45 day period) to prepare to make war on Jesus and His army of heaven. Which, if you believe in the resurrection/rapture event, you will be a part of His army of heaven.


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And why not accept John's account, and use his order like I did in my table, instead of shuffling them all up?
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A person has to figure out where the actions and their time frames fit. Here is a chart I made of the 15 time of the end times frames given the bible.

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