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Well ya, for sure since 2004! For example let's look at the cost of a popular truck:
The Tundra has shifted from a bare minimum vehicle, with 4 tires and a steering wheel, to a complete and total luxury vehicle since then. Lumber hasn't changed at all.
What does your opinion on "lefty news" have, at all, to do with this thread? As I mentiond, they are describing it as a "major restructuring". You can't restucture something without at least partially dismantling it.
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Well, this is based on faulty information as far as I have seen.
Wow. That is just so factually inaccurate. Not sure about you but I CONSTANTLY see advertisements for the trades in my social media feeds. And the known trades deficit in North America? Honestly, I thought was super basic common knowledge.
Given your lack of basic knowledge on employment trends, I'm not sure trying to gloat or condescend....makes sense.The truth seems more like, if we stop all forms of production (including lumber) and stop manufacturing, and labor, we can extinguish the working class entirely, to where there's only the super-wealthy, and the dirt-poor, so that the introduction of socialism can make sense.
That's really the *only* way it can happen - you have to create an environment where the majority are dependent on the government.
...So yeah, keep championing things like less lumber production, and keep begging for government housing at the same time. You're doing great comrades!
Carpentry apprenticeship programs have seen up to a 70% increase in applicants. It's only a 3 to 4 year program.
I don't think you realize how flooded the apprenticeship programs are right now. In *all* the trades, including carpentry, which has seen a 70% increase in applicants.
That's great but 60% of builders are reporting shortages. No disrespect but you've already trotted out bad numbers once in this thread and I have seen nowhere that supports this claim either.
Guy...why are you getting defensive? What are you talkiung about "Excuse"? And what is the "baloney" I'm piling? You haven't disproven anything and I've shown you your information is bunk. Stop accusing others and defend yourself.
OF COURSE they are. Remember when we tried to prosecute one of those slimy real estate investors and how people responded? IT's rampant so no big deal.
Why did you misrepresent that number the first time?
Im not getting defensive, I'm being passionate about something that means something to me. There's a difference.
Fair enough. I appreciate that. I feel the same way when people talk about Education. And it's hard when NOT educators have opinions that seem uninformed.
Well the price of lumber? That one is solid.
There IS an uptick in carpentry...it's just not as big as you'd suggested (didn't your source say 23% increase?)
I think that's good money in SOME places in California.
Fair enough.
Im also passionate about *not* creating low-income housing, because I don't believe putting a bandaid on a broken arm is any kind of real solution. So, saying I have a basic lack of knowledge isn't a very fair assessment of why I write the things I write.
You do see how housing for a poor family isn't actually a bandaid but a full on doctor's appointment, xray, casting, check-ins, cast removal and physical/occupational therapy for a poor family though right?
Landon, the first time I suggested that was in regards to the price of lumber. I still don't know where you got that number from but it is way, way wrong. In regards to carpentry apprenticeships, The increases in those apprentices DO exist (Which I am happy about but also a touch surprised...) but they are not NEEEEARLY the 70% suggested.
But what do you mean when you say "the poor".
I was wrong with the carpentry apprenticeship, but not the prices of lumber:
in a supply and demand market, increased supply would create lower costs *across the board*... The lowest level houses would be practically give-aways with a big construction boom. Of course after that, tax money could assist the very bottom bracket with rent costs.
I apologize.
It seems like the price of lumber fluctuates a lot... That, in itself, might be a deterrent for builders, in a shaky economy.
The PPI for lumber and wood products spiked during covid, but has retreated to its normal upward climb:
