Immoral poverty

Maine Progressive · Apr 6, 2026

Single-mother families have the highest poverty rate of any family structure in the U.S., with roughly 28% to 40% living in poverty, depending on the data source. This is more than five times the rate of two-parent families and nearly double that of single-father families. Why is that? In superheated debates on both sides, no one actually cares about the outcome for the mother. Crazy in my opinion. I refuse to participate in that debate on either side. Especially here. Whichever side you passionately take, I respect your morality on the issue. I have no desire to argue for or against it. But I believe that anyone who has a strong opinion on either side ought to take responsibility for that opinion. Morally. Ought to be zealous in every state to ensure that single mothers never struggle with poverty on top of caring for a child alone. (The moral issue here is the specific outcome—poverty. I won’t respond to tangents, but I will respond to ‘blame the victim’.)

d taylor · Apr 6, 2026

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Are these single mothers, a divorced person with children or are they single women who keep having babies from different men/boys.

Desk trauma · Apr 6, 2026

Maine Progressive said:
I refuse to participate in that debate on either side. Especially here.

You refuse to participate in the debate you’re looking to start?

Maine Progressive · Apr 6, 2026

d taylor said:
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Are these single mothers, a divorced person with children or are they single women who keep having babies from different men/boys.

Does it matter? Does your question imply that mothers who fail your standard of morality deserve to suffer? I disagree. It's not my place to judge your morality. So I won't. But I disagree.

Maine Progressive · Apr 6, 2026

Desk trauma said:
You refuse to participate in the debate you’re looking to start?

My debate is with the morality of leaving these women in poverty. I see the same excuses for neglect coming from both sides of the debate you refer to. I'm having none of that one. But I will be glad to debate you on the morality of dismissing poverty.

d taylor · Apr 6, 2026

Maine Progressive said:
Does it matter? Does your question imply that mothers who fail your standard of morality deserve to suffer? I disagree. It's not my place to judge your morality. So I won't. But I disagree.

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Well if you keep having babies and you are working at a McDonalds you can expect poverty to be your life. I am sure not responable to bail the girl out

Maine Progressive · Apr 6, 2026

I understand your perspective, but I’m not on the same page morally. The data indicates that while men and couples may engage in similar levels of promiscuity, those in poverty tend to be less prevalent. I’m curious, why should single women be disadvantaged? I believe this disparity highlights a moral issue. I’m simply discussing the morality of this type of poverty at the state level. We all have opportunities as we’re guided, and it’s not my place to decide who should receive help. However, at the state level, using promiscuity as an excuse to leave single women in poverty seems unethical.

Delvianna · Apr 6, 2026

And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. -Matthew 24:12

This is the main problem behind society in general. The cost of living is through the roof and getting worse. Families are split, and the vast majority of society is just looking for a quick fix to give them enough happiness to keep going.

Love would heal broken homes.
Love would build lasing relationships.
Love would make people 2nd guess business decisions that make greed less desirable and people actually thrive in society instead of living in poverty or barely getting by.
Love would reach out to people who are struggling despite their sins/promiscuity or whatever judgement is viewed on them.

Because while we were yet sinners... Christ DIED for us.

Love doesn't look for who "deserves" it.... Love just ACTS on itself.

Maine Progressive · Apr 6, 2026

This was sooo well said. Thank you. And I hope I don't sound overly sanctimonious to say this: Bless you. I mean it.

Delvianna · Apr 6, 2026

Maine Progressive said:
This was sooo well said. Thank you. And I hope I don't sound overly sanctimonious to say this: Bless you. I mean it.

Thank you, and may God bless you as well! <3

Meowzltov · Apr 6, 2026

Maine Progressive said:
Single-mother families have the highest poverty rate of any family structure in the U.S., with roughly 28% to 40% living in poverty, depending on the data source. This is more than five times the rate of two-parent families and nearly double that of single-father families. Why is that? In superheated debates on both sides, no one actually cares about the outcome for the mother. Crazy in my opinion. I refuse to participate in that debate on either side. Especially here. Whichever side you passionately take, I respect your morality on the issue. I have no desire to argue for or against it. But I believe that anyone who has a strong opinion on either side ought to take responsibility for that opinion. Morally. Ought to be zealous in every state to ensure that single mothers never struggle with poverty on top of caring for a child alone. (The moral issue here is the specific outcome—poverty. I won’t respond to tangents, but I will respond to ‘blame the victim’.)

First, I completely agree that society has a moral obligation to financially intervene on behalf of the child. We know that young children who experience hunger, or housing instability, or live in violent neighborhoods, literally have their brains permanently rewired, making them forever more susceptible to anxiety and impulsive actions, sabotaging them getting out of poverty.

But I'm also in favor of bringing back the stigma against women who voluntarily become single mothers. It's one thing to enter a marriage with all the hopes that it will last forever, and begin a family, only to find those hopes destroyed. It's quite another to be unmarried and choose to conceive, or to conceive by accident and choose to raise the child alone. There is no such thing as an unwanted baby. I realize that every rule has its exceptions and that some single moms make a buttload of money. But policies are based on the majority, not the minority. Every pregnant woman applying for WIC should be given counseling on the financial realities of raising a child alone and the permanent damage poverty does to young children, and sent off with a brochure for the local adoption clinic.

I'm quite certain that these remarks are going to make a lot of people very angry. But I care about the kids more than the opinions of people in internet forums.

Tropical Wilds · Apr 7, 2026

Maine Progressive said:
Single-mother families have the highest poverty rate of any family structure in the U.S., with roughly 28% to 40% living in poverty, depending on the data source. This is more than five times the rate of two-parent families and nearly double that of single-father families. Why is that? In superheated debates on both sides, no one actually cares about the outcome for the mother. Crazy in my opinion. I refuse to participate in that debate on either side. Especially here. Whichever side you passionately take, I respect your morality on the issue. I have no desire to argue for or against it. But I believe that anyone who has a strong opinion on either side ought to take responsibility for that opinion. Morally. Ought to be zealous in every state to ensure that single mothers never struggle with poverty on top of caring for a child alone. (The moral issue here is the specific outcome—poverty. I won’t respond to tangents, but I will respond to ‘blame the victim’.)

What exactly is the issue? You didn’t identify a side and counter to the side.

Maine Progressive · Apr 7, 2026

Tropical Wilds said:
What exactly is the issue? You didn’t identify a side and counter to the side.

As I mentioned, single-mother families face the highest poverty rate among all family types in the U.S., with about 28% to 40% living in poverty, depending on the data. That’s more than five times the rate of two-parent families and almost double that of single-father families. The question is, “Why is that?” Why isn’t there more attention to this clear imbalance?

Maine Progressive · Apr 7, 2026

Meowzltov said:
First, I completely agree that society has a moral obligation to financially intervene on behalf of the child. We know that young children who experience hunger, or housing instability, or live in violent neighborhoods, literally have their brains permanently rewired, making them forever more susceptible to anxiety and impulsive actions, sabotaging them getting out of poverty.

But I'm also in favor of bringing back the stigma against women who voluntarily become single mothers. It's one thing to enter a marriage with all the hopes that it will last forever, and begin a family, only to find those hopes destroyed. It's quite another to be unmarried and choose to conceive, or to conceive by accident and choose to raise the child alone. There is no such thing as an unwanted baby. I realize that every rule has its exceptions and that some single moms make a buttload of money. But policies are based on the majority, not the minority. Every pregnant woman applying for WIC should be given counseling on the financial realities of raising a child alone and the permanent damage poverty does to young children, and sent off with a brochure for the local adoption clinic.

I'm quite certain that these remarks are going to make a lot of people very angry. But I care about the kids more than the opinions of people in internet forums.

I'm glad that we "agree that society has a moral obligation to financially intervene on behalf of the child". Let's all stop making excuses and get it done.

Meowzltov · Apr 7, 2026

Maine Progressive said:
I'm glad that we "agree that society has a moral obligation to financially intervene on behalf of the child". Let's all stop making excuses and get it done.

My guess is that the more individualistic a society is, the less likely this is to happen because the sense of communal responsibility is so low.

Neogaia777 · Apr 8, 2026

Maine Progressive said:
Single-mother families have the highest poverty rate of any family structure in the U.S., with roughly 28% to 40% living in poverty, depending on the data source. This is more than five times the rate of two-parent families and nearly double that of single-father families. Why is that? In superheated debates on both sides, no one actually cares about the outcome for the mother. Crazy in my opinion. I refuse to participate in that debate on either side. Especially here. Whichever side you passionately take, I respect your morality on the issue. I have no desire to argue for or against it. But I believe that anyone who has a strong opinion on either side ought to take responsibility for that opinion. Morally. Ought to be zealous in every state to ensure that single mothers never struggle with poverty on top of caring for a child alone. (The moral issue here is the specific outcome—poverty. I won’t respond to tangents, but I will respond to ‘blame the victim’.)

AI taking over, or Jesus coming back, are probably going to be some of our only possible solutions for getting rid of poverty 100% completely.

Mankind until then most usually only sees poverty get worse over time until a reset happens, and then after a temporary, somewhat dismal pause, repeats those cycles all over again.

God Bless.

Maine Progressive · Apr 8, 2026

Even if that’s true, I don’t think it’s “rose-colored glasses” to say we have a moral duty to help. I remember the parable of the talents, where the servant thought his job was just to keep his talent hidden until the master came back. I’m sure that no matter how bleak things seem, Christ didn’t die and rise again so we could all hide away and be happy.

Maine Progressive · Apr 8, 2026

Meowzltov said:
My guess is that the more individualistic a society is, the less likely this is to happen because the sense of communal responsibility is so low.

I completely understand that. It’s true that every community, in its quest to create its own identity, develops traditions and behaviors that often justify overlooking the struggles of those outside their accepted norms. These can become like “shibboleths.” But it’s also true that when a community decides to act together in charity, amazing changes happen that individualistic societies, caught up in their own selfishness and self-interest, can’t achieve. Let’s hope we can find the heart to become that community.

Neogaia777 · Apr 8, 2026

Maine Progressive said:
Even if that’s true, I don’t think it’s “rose-colored glasses” to say we have a moral duty to help. I remember the parable of the talents, where the servant thought his job was just to keep his talent hidden until the master came back. I’m sure that no matter how bleak things seem, Christ didn’t die and rise again so we could all hide away and be happy.

We all do what we can in the meantime of course, etc.

And it would be helpful if you used the reply button.

Maine Progressive · Apr 8, 2026

Neogaia777 said:
We all do what we can in the meantime of course, etc.

And it would be helpful if you used the reply button.

You are absolutely right. I thought I had done so. And when I came back later and saw my reply wasn't attached to your post, I thought I should edit it to add your handle so viewers would know who I was replying to. Nevertheless, it was careless of me to make that mistake in the first place and I owe you this apology.

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