The Date of the Lord delivering Israel.

Marilyn C · Mar 8, 2026

The Date of the Lord delivering Israel.

No one should speculate as that it one`s own opinion. Instead we should more diligently study God`s word.

Now when Jesus was manifest on earth, he said that no one knows the day or hour of His return. Now that Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, in the Godhead, He does certainly know when He shall return. And that time He was referring to is when He comes to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon His enemies.

God`s word uses the lunar calendar, which the Jews use. And the Lord said by His Holy Spirit through Paul to the Thessalonians, -

`But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you, for you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night..` (1 Thess. 5: 1 & 2)

The Lord comes to deliver Israel `as a thief,` for Israel is in partial darkness. However, the Body of Christ is NOT in darkness `so that this day should overtake you as a thief.` (1 Thess. 5: 4)

The `times and seasons,` the major Feasts are well known however there are 3 minor feasts that are very relevant.

The Feast of dedication - Hanukkah.

`Now it was the feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the Temple, in Solomon`s porch. Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, "How long do you keep us in doubt? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." (Jn 10: 22 - 24)

It is only natural that, during Hanukkah (the celebration from foreign oppression), thoughts of national deliverance would again be aroused. In the day of Jesus, Israel was looking for the ultimate deliverer, the Messiah himself, who would overthrow Roman rule.

If He were to deliver the Jewish nation, they would never fall under Gentile dominion again. He would usher in the golden age messianic age, making it possible for the Shekinah glory to return to the Temple as in the days of Solomon`s dedication of the Temple.

With this thought on their minds, a group of Jewish inquirers came to Jesus. It was Hanukkah, and Jesus was walking along Solomon`s colonnade (the pillared walkway in the Temple). He was celebrating Hanukkah in the same Temple that had been cleansed and rededicated only a few generations earlier.

These inquirers asked "How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ (Messiah), tell us plainly. (Jn 10: 24) Indeed He had clearly shown that He was the Messiah and verified it with many miracles. They had rejected Him because He consistently failed to meet their messianic expectations. They were looking for a military messiah, one who was only a great human leader.

This was not the time for a new Hanukkah (overthrow of Gentile rule), for the nation was still blind in their rejection.

However, there will come a time when the Lord of glory will come to deliver Israel with His angelic army and that will be during Hanukkah. The actual date is the 29th of Kislev, the middle of Hanukkah, the festival of lights. How appropriate that the Light of the world should come then to deliver Israel from its enemies.

The Jewish calendar is not the same length as the solar so each year the solar date will change. However, the Jewish date, the 29th of Kislev is always the same. (around December)

As to the Rapture, well, 6 years and 11 months earlier plus the time of the Russian war.

eclipsenow · Mar 22, 2026

Marilyn C said:
The Date of the Lord delivering Israel.

No one should speculate as that it one`s own opinion. Instead we should more diligently study God`s word.

Now when Jesus was manifest on earth, he said that no one knows the day or hour of His return. Now that Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, in the Godhead, He does certainly know when He shall return. And that time He was referring to is when He comes to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon His enemies.

God`s word uses the lunar calendar, which the Jews use. And the Lord said by His Holy Spirit through Paul to the Thessalonians, -

`But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you, for you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night..` (1 Thess. 5: 1 & 2)

The Lord comes to deliver Israel `as a thief,` for Israel is in partial darkness. However, the Body of Christ is NOT in darkness `so that this day should overtake you as a thief.` (1 Thess. 5: 4)

The `times and seasons,` the major Feasts are well known however there are 3 minor feasts that are very relevant.

The Feast of dedication - Hanukkah.

`Now it was the feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the Temple, in Solomon`s porch. Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, "How long do you keep us in doubt? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." (Jn 10: 22 - 24)

It is only natural that, during Hanukkah (the celebration from foreign oppression), thoughts of national deliverance would again be aroused. In the day of Jesus, Israel was looking for the ultimate deliverer, the Messiah himself, who would overthrow Roman rule.

If He were to deliver the Jewish nation, they would never fall under Gentile dominion again. He would usher in the golden age messianic age, making it possible for the Shekinah glory to return to the Temple as in the days of Solomon`s dedication of the Temple.

With this thought on their minds, a group of Jewish inquirers came to Jesus. It was Hanukkah, and Jesus was walking along Solomon`s colonnade (the pillared walkway in the Temple). He was celebrating Hanukkah in the same Temple that had been cleansed and rededicated only a few generations earlier.

These inquirers asked "How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ (Messiah), tell us plainly. (Jn 10: 24) Indeed He had clearly shown that He was the Messiah and verified it with many miracles. They had rejected Him because He consistently failed to meet their messianic expectations. They were looking for a military messiah, one who was only a great human leader.

This was not the time for a new Hanukkah (overthrow of Gentile rule), for the nation was still blind in their rejection.

However, there will come a time when the Lord of glory will come to deliver Israel with His angelic army and that will be during Hanukkah. The actual date is the 29th of Kislev, the middle of Hanukkah, the festival of lights. How appropriate that the Light of the world should come then to deliver Israel from its enemies.

The Jewish calendar is not the same length as the solar so each year the solar date will change. However, the Jewish date, the 29th of Kislev is always the same. (around December)

As to the Rapture, well, 6 years and 11 months earlier plus the time of the Russian war.

You started off so well by quoting that Paul verse to the Thessalonians that we do not know the date. Then you tried to argue a date? Kind of wrecks it for me. I think more Christians you need to go check out the wiki on failed Christian predictions of the end of the world. It's a sobering read.

Then they need to reread Matthew 24 in the light of these things equalling the end of the temple, and that day being utterly unknowable.

These things are the Romans coming, the wars, the false messiahs, all those troubles that led to the Romans destroying Jerusalem and burning the temple and sacrificing to Caesar in the courtyard as the temple burned.

But that day? That day is unknowable, unpredictable, and inescapable.

In contrast the temple being destroyed is predictable, local, and therefore escapable. Run to the Hills - unless you are pregnant or breastfeeding because then that's trouble.

See the difference in Matthew 24?

These things, and that day.

That day is so unpredictable that Jesus then tells another four parables about how unpredictabilities following into the next chapter.

And we just want to keep on guessing don't we?

Marilyn C · Mar 22, 2026

eclipsenow said:
You started off so well by quoting that Paul verse to the Thessalonians that we do not know the date. Then you tried to argue a date? Kind of wrecks it for me. I think more Christians you need to go check out the wiki on failed Christian predictions of the end of the world. It's a sobering read.

Then they need to reread Matthew 24 in the light of these things equalling the end of the temple, and that day being utterly unknowable.

These things are the Romans coming, the wars, the false messiahs, all those troubles that led to the Romans destroying Jerusalem and burning the temple and sacrificing to Caesar in the courtyard as the temple burned.

But that day? That day is unknowable, unpredictable, and inescapable.

In contrast the temple being destroyed is predictable, local, and therefore escapable. Run to the Hills - unless you are pregnant or breastfeeding because then that's trouble.

See the difference in Matthew 24?

These things, and that day.

That day is so unpredictable that Jesus then tells another four parables about how unpredictabilities following into the next chapter.

And we just want to keep on guessing don't we?

The date in the Jewish calendar does not tell us what date in the solar calendar. For that you would have to know the year. Many of those Major and minor Feasts have yet to have their fulfillment.

eclipsenow · Mar 23, 2026

Marilyn C said:
The date in the Jewish calendar does not tell us what date in the solar calendar. For that you would have to know the year. Many of those Major and minor Feasts have yet to have their fulfillment.

I don't know what you mean. The NT says all the promises to the prophets find their "Yes" in Jesus.

Marilyn C · Mar 23, 2026

eclipsenow said:
I don't know what you mean. The NT says all the promises to the prophets find their "Yes" in Jesus.

Yes, means that Christ will fulfill the promises. When Jesus was manifest on earth He confirmed the promises of the Fathers to the people of Israel.

`Now I say that Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made to the fathers...` (Rom. 15: 8)

An example would be the Feast of Pentecost. That was fulfilled (in part) when Jesus went to the Father and sent the Holy Spirit.

eclipsenow · Mar 30, 2026

Marilyn C said:
Yes, means that Christ will fulfill the promises. When Jesus was manifest on earth He confirmed the promises of the Fathers to the people of Israel.

`Now I say that Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made to the fathers...` (Rom. 15: 8)

An example would be the Feast of Pentecost. That was fulfilled (in part) when Jesus went to the Father and sent the Holy Spirit.

OK - but the promises are not to the people of Israel - but if you read the rest of Romans 15 - and indeed the whole New Testament - the promises are to the NEW people of God. This is the great scroll of Daniel that is rolled up, and then revealed in Revelation. This is the mystery hidden for ages that Paul is so excited about!

The promise to Abraham that he would be the father of a great nation of God's people living God's way in God's land has one more promise. That it would one day bless the whole world!

What's in the great sealed scroll that took the slain lamb on the throne of heaven to unroll?

That Jesus death and resurrection would fulfil all the promises to the patriarchs by unleashing the kingdom of God on the entire world! The very idea of Jerusalem and the temple are now metaphors for ANYWHERE Christians meet and pray. The promises of land and kingdom and security are ours in Jesus - all Jews and Israelites and Babylonians and Iraqi's and Persians and Iranians and even us Australian ockers - ALL of us are blessed by the promise to Abraham. We are ALL now God's kingdom, in God's land, growing in learning how to live God's way.

There is no 'Israel' for the Lord to deliver - other than his bride - the church.

And he could do that in 5 seconds or 50,000 years - we just don't know.

Marilyn C · Mar 30, 2026

eclipsenow said:
OK - but the promises are not to the people of Israel - but if you read the rest of Romans 15 - and indeed the whole New Testament - the promises are to the NEW people of God. This is the great scroll of Daniel that is rolled up, and then revealed in Revelation. This is the mystery hidden for ages that Paul is so excited about!

The promise to Abraham that he would be the father of a great nation of God's people living God's way in God's land has one more promise. That it would one day bless the whole world!

What's in the great sealed scroll that took the slain lamb on the throne of heaven to unroll?

That Jesus death and resurrection would fulfil all the promises to the patriarchs by unleashing the kingdom of God on the entire world! The very idea of Jerusalem and the temple are now metaphors for ANYWHERE Christians meet and pray. The promises of land and kingdom and security are ours in Jesus - all Jews and Israelites and Babylonians and Iraqi's and Persians and Iranians and even us Australian ockers - ALL of us are blessed by the promise to Abraham. We are ALL now God's kingdom, in God's land, growing in learning how to live God's way.

There is no 'Israel' for the Lord to deliver - other than his bride - the church.

And he could do that in 5 seconds or 50,000 years - we just don't know.

So God`s word is all about US!!!!

So why did God bother about making Israel and working with them for many years? Why not just go to the main event, `us?`

eclipsenow · Mar 31, 2026

The New Testament explains that. The OT is the types - the NT the realities in Jesus.

There is no other way to the father.

Jesus said if Israel didn't recognise him - the very stones would.

That is us!

Read Romans, Galatians and Hebrews really slowly.

You'll get it now!

Marilyn C · Mar 31, 2026

eclipsenow said:
The New Testament explains that. The OT is the types - the NT the realities in Jesus.

There is no other way to the father.

Jesus said if Israel didn't recognise him - the very stones would.

That is us!

Read Romans, Galatians and Hebrews really slowly.

You'll get it now!

I agree that the OT had types representing Jesus. Also. that there is no other way to the Father but because of Jesus.

So, what about all those in the past who have never heard of Jesus?

And are all the people of Israel down through the ages cast aside because a few Pharisees and Sadducees rejected the Lord?

I certainly do not regard myself as `a stone.`

Hentenza · Mar 31, 2026

eclipsenow said:
There is no 'Israel' for the Lord to deliver - other than his bride - the church.

Romans 11.

“For I do not want you, brothers and sisters, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.” “This is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.””
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keras · Mar 31, 2026

Hentenza said:
‭‭Romans‬ ‭11‬:‭25‬-‭27

All Israel shall be saved?
Romans 11:25-27, Gods divine secret is how it will be only after all the chosen Gentiles are saved, John 15:16, will the remnant faithful Jews join as them one people again. As described in Ezekiel 37:15-27, Jeremiah 50:4-5, Isaiah 11:11-13

THEN: All Israel will be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and He shall remove the wickedness from Jacob: For this is my Covenant I will give to them, when I take away their sins.
The quotation Paul uses is from Isaiah 59:20 The Lord will come as a Redeemer to Zion and to those in Jacob who repent of their rebellion…..

What Paul is referring to is: only a saved remnant of the Jewish people and all true Christians, who together constitute the Israel of God. His Overcomers for God. Jeremiah 50:4-5

The message to the individual Jew, is that he or she must “turn from transgression” to the Lord. There will be just a few who will turn to him. All of them will be saved. He speaks of the saved remnant as Jewish Israel. Romans 9:27
Are the Jews still God's people? No, the Kingdom was taken from them: Matthew 21:43, only those individuals who are both ethnic and spiritual Jews. Romans 2:29 Saved Gentiles have also been grafted into the tree and are now co-heirs of the promises of God to Israel. Romans 8:14-17

Paul says that it's all by God's grace... Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. Romans 9:27

In other words, by grace through faith, plus or minus nothing, in the Lord Jesus Christ. Only through faith in Jesus can anyone be a child of God. Confirmed by:
Galatians 3:26-29, For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then are you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Clearly, Galatians 3:26-29 states that unsaved Jews cannot be Abraham's spiritual seed, nor are they heirs of the promises of God made to Israel in the Bible. The Bible is very plain on this subject that only born-again Christian believers of any ethnicity are heirs of the promises of God. Ephesians 2:11-18 True, righteous Christians from every race, nation and language are God's people; the Israelites of God.

There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ. So we can divide all humanity into one or other of these two groups:
1/ Every godless unbeliever including the non-Christian Jews and
2/ All Christian believers, Jews and Gentiles.; people from every race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18b, Revelation 5:9-10

God never blesses wicked evildoers. When the Jews rejected Jesus, God gave them into the hands of their enemies, as in 70 AD. Then, for continuing in their disbelief; the many pogroms and the Holocaust. Now they face the third swing of the Sword, Ezekiel 21:1-16

Romans 11:1-2 and 19-23, I say then, Has God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away his people which he foreknew…..You may say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and we Christians stand by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward you, blessing, so keep your faith: otherwise you also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they change their ways, shall be grafted back in: for God is able to graft them in again.

This Scripture plainly teaches that ONLY Jews who believe the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ will be grafted back into the tree as God's people. Jeremiah 12:14-16 proves this.
God cut off Judah in 586 BC for their continuous and stiffnecked rebellion against His Word, even killing the prophets.

God still loves His people, His true people who obey Him, and any Jew can be grafted back into the tree, but all Christ-rejecting Jews are NOT GOD'S PEOPLE. The Parable of the Vineyard shows how the ethnic Jewish people have lost their status. Matthew 21:33-46, Luke 19:27

Less than .025% of the Jews living in Israel today profess to be a Christian. Only a fool thinks that God loves the apostate, atheistic, gay pride, Christ rejecting Jews. These types are NOT God's people. Revelation 2:9

So only the saved Jews are part of God's people, Romans 2:29, but most are saved Gentiles, the descendants of Abraham by their faith. AND by possible/probable descent.
Only believers in Jesus Christ can claim to be heirs of the promises of God originally given to Israel, but are now applicable omly to every faithful Christian.

Isaiah 51:1-2 Listen all you who follow after the right and who seek the Lord…..Consider Abraham to be your father and Sarah your mother… I Blessed him, now his offspring are many.
The Christian peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language. 1 Peter 2:9-10

Hentenza · Mar 31, 2026

keras said:
All Israel shall be saved?
Romans 11:25-27, Gods divine secret is how it will be only after all the chosen Gentiles are saved, John 15:16, will the remnant faithful Jews join as them one people again. As described in Ezekiel 37:15-27, Jeremiah 50:4-5, Isaiah 11:11-13

THEN: All Israel will be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and He shall remove the wickedness from Jacob: For this is my Covenant I will give to them, when I take away their sins.
The quotation Paul uses is from Isaiah 59:20 The Lord will come as a Redeemer to Zion and to those in Jacob who repent of their rebellion…..

What Paul is referring to is: only a saved remnant of the Jewish people and all true Christians, who together constitute the Israel of God. His Overcomers for God. Jeremiah 50:4-5

The message to the individual Jew, is that he or she must “turn from transgression” to the Lord. There will be just a few who will turn to him. All of them will be saved. He speaks of the saved remnant as Jewish Israel. Romans 9:27
Are the Jews still God's people? No, the Kingdom was taken from them: Matthew 21:43, only those individuals who are both ethnic and spiritual Jews. Romans 2:29 Saved Gentiles have also been grafted into the tree and are now co-heirs of the promises of God to Israel. Romans 8:14-17

Paul says that it's all by God's grace... Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. Romans 9:27

In other words, by grace through faith, plus or minus nothing, in the Lord Jesus Christ. Only through faith in Jesus can anyone be a child of God. Confirmed by:
Galatians 3:26-29, For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then are you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Clearly, Galatians 3:26-29 states that unsaved Jews cannot be Abraham's spiritual seed, nor are they heirs of the promises of God made to Israel in the Bible. The Bible is very plain on this subject that only born-again Christian believers of any ethnicity are heirs of the promises of God. Ephesians 2:11-18 True, righteous Christians from every race, nation and language are God's people; the Israelites of God.

There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ. So we can divide all humanity into one or other of these two groups:
1/ Every godless unbeliever including the non-Christian Jews and
2/ All Christian believers, Jews and Gentiles.; people from every race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18b, Revelation 5:9-10

God never blesses wicked evildoers. When the Jews rejected Jesus, God gave them into the hands of their enemies, as in 70 AD. Then, for continuing in their disbelief; the many pogroms and the Holocaust. Now they face the third swing of the Sword, Ezekiel 21:1-16

Romans 11:1-2 and 19-23, I say then, Has God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away his people which he foreknew…..You may say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and we Christians stand by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward you, blessing, so keep your faith: otherwise you also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they change their ways, shall be grafted back in: for God is able to graft them in again.

This Scripture plainly teaches that ONLY Jews who believe the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ will be grafted back into the tree as God's people. Jeremiah 12:14-16 proves this.
God cut off Judah in 586 BC for their continuous and stiffnecked rebellion against His Word, even killing the prophets.

God still loves His people, His true people who obey Him, and any Jew can be grafted back into the tree, but all Christ-rejecting Jews are NOT GOD'S PEOPLE. The Parable of the Vineyard shows how the ethnic Jewish people have lost their status. Matthew 21:33-46, Luke 19:27

Less than .025% of the Jews living in Israel today profess to be a Christian. Only a fool thinks that God loves the apostate, atheistic, gay pride, Christ rejecting Jews. These types are NOT God's people. Revelation 2:9

So only the saved Jews are part of God's people, Romans 2:29, but most are saved Gentiles, the descendants of Abraham by their faith. AND by possible/probable descent.
Only believers in Jesus Christ can claim to be heirs of the promises of God originally given to Israel, but are now applicable omly to every faithful Christian.

Isaiah 51:1-2 Listen all you who follow after the right and who seek the Lord…..Consider Abraham to be your father and Sarah your mother… I Blessed him, now his offspring are many.
The Christian peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language. 1 Peter 2:9-10

I made no commentary or argument of the verses I posted in respond to the other poster which claimed that there is no Israel to be saved. The verses contradict what the other poster argued.

I guess your argument here is with Paul.

keras · Mar 31, 2026

Hentenza said:
I guess your argument here is with Paul.

I have no argument with Paul.
He plainly states that of Israel, the Jews - only a remnant will survive.

I campaign strongly against the false idea of a Jewish redemption. That belief is an immutable part of the false 'rapture to heaven' theory; the Church in heaven, while the Jews go thru Tribulation. Never going to happen.

Hentenza · Mar 31, 2026

keras said:
I have no argument with Paul.
He plainly states that of Israel, the Jews - only a remnant will survive.

I have no problems with that, however, your explanation for the use of πᾶς in verse 26 is an extrapolation rather than direct quote with direct evidence. I would define who all of Israel is since those that are not in the Lord will never be saved. So all of Israel are those that return to the Lord according to Isaiah. In the verses from Jeremiah the group is dramatically larger as he includes both the sons of Israel and the sons of Judah. The group from Jeremiah is much more than a remnant but will only include those that are seeking the Lord.

““A Redeemer will come to Zion, And to those in Jacob who turn from wrongdoing,” declares the Lord.”
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“A Redeemer will come to Zion, And to those in Jacob who turn from wrongdoing,” declares the LORD.

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““In those days and at that time,” declares the Lord, “the sons of Israel will come, they and the sons of Judah as well; they will go along weeping as they go, and it will be the Lord their God whom they will seek. They will ask for the way to Zion, turning their faces in its direction; they will come so that they may join themselves to the Lord in an everlasting covenant that will not be forgotten.”
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keras said:
I campaign strongly against the false idea of a Jewish redemption. That belief is an immutable part of the false 'rapture to heaven' theory; the Church in heaven, while the Jews go thru Tribulation. Never going to happen.

This is a perfect example why you don’t see me too often in eschatology. Everyone has strong feelings about their beliefs and conversations get out of hand quickly. I prefer an exchange of ideas rather than theoretical arguments.

keras · Mar 31, 2026

Hentenza said:
This is a perfect example why you don’t see me too often in eschatology. Everyone has strong feelings about their beliefs and conversations get out of hand quickly. I prefer an exchange of ideas rather than theoretical arguments.

Fair enough.
But your problem then is; - like most Christians- you have no clue what the Lord really has planned for our future.
After it's all over, when we stand before God in Judgment, He may ask why people failed to unravel the many Prophesies which tell it all, in much detail.

Marilyn C · Mar 31, 2026

keras said:
Fair enough.
But your problem then is; - like most Christians- you have no clue what the Lord really has planned for our future.
After it's all over, when we stand before God in Judgment, He may ask why people failed to unravel the many Prophesies which tell it all, in much detail.

Sounds like you think the Lord, the Head of His Body can`t bring it to full maturity in Himself and that only a very few know the truth. (Eph. 4: 11 - 16)

eclipsenow · Apr 1, 2026

keras said:
Fair enough.

Oh look! Keras is going to be fair minded!

keras said:
But your problem then is; -

Oh, wait, spoke too soon...

keras said:
like most Christians- you have no clue what the Lord really has planned for our future.

Yep - there it is. Cassandra Syndrome in all it's glory.

keras said:
After it's all over, when we stand before God in Judgment, He may ask why people failed to unravel the many Prophesies which tell it all, in much detail.

You'll be asked why you threw a Sci-Fi story over Hebrew idioms.

"Keras - when I had Isaiah talk about the Medes overthrowing the Babylonians, and named their weapons and called them "the armies of the Lord" and " they" - and then I KEPT my word! - why did you want to twist my words to some solar flare 2400 years after what I said would happen!"

keras · Apr 1, 2026

Marilyn C said:
Sounds like you think the Lord, the Head of His Body can`t bring it to full maturity in Himself and that only a very few know the truth. (Eph. 4: 11 - 16)

As the Bible stories make clear; the Lord uses natural things and human strength to achieve His objectives. The Flood and Gideon come to mind.
God generally does this because if He used miracles, His existence would be undeniable. The great exception was the resurrection of Jesus.

That just a few will know the truths of the Prophetic Word, is told to us by Daniel 12:4 & 9

keras · Apr 1, 2026

eclipsenow said:
Keras - when I had Isaiah talk about the Medes overthrowing the Babylonians, and named their weapons and called them "the armies of the Lord" and " they" - and then I KEPT my word! - why did you want to twist my words to some solar flare 2400 years after what I said would happen!"

Cyrus the Mede did conquer Babylon. That is a historical fact.
But the over 100 other Bibe Prophesies that describe how the Lord will send fire to destroy His enemies - mostly those in all of the Holy Land, are yet to happen. The Lord has said He will do it and it is His solution to the humanly impossible to resolve situation in the Middle East now.

Hentenza · Apr 1, 2026

keras said:
Fair enough.
But your problem then is; - like most Christians- you have no clue what the Lord really has planned for our future.

Actually I do.

keras said:
After it's all over, when we stand before God in Judgment, He may ask why people failed to unravel the many Prophesies which tell it all, in much detail.

I’ll be more worried about my name being in the book of life rather than if I unraveled any prophesies. The gospel is what saves, the rest has no salvific value and tends to divide rather than unite the body of Christ.,

The Date of the Lord delivering Israel.

Pre-tribulation.

Scripture is God's word, Science is God's works

Pre-tribulation.

Scripture is God's word, Science is God's works

Pre-tribulation.

Scripture is God's word, Science is God's works

Pre-tribulation.

Scripture is God's word, Science is God's works

Pre-tribulation.

I will fear no evil for You are with me

Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

I will fear no evil for You are with me

Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

I will fear no evil for You are with me

Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

Pre-tribulation.

Scripture is God's word, Science is God's works

Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

I will fear no evil for You are with me

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